Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

UCDVet · 11-03-2013 07:46PM

Reminds me of an American fellow. He is a lawyer who is also in a wheelchair. He goes to small resort towns, up in the mountains, tiny, historic places. Then he SUES THE CRAP out of everyone in the town - claiming they were discriminating against him by not accommodating his wheelchair.

Most of them settle out-of-court and just send him cash to make it all go away.

It's a shame some people are unable to walk up and down stairs, but I'm not really sure the world would be a better place if we force every tiny pub/club in Dublin to be wheelchair accessible. It's easy to say, 'Of course they should be' but when you consider the cost/space/number of people impacted, it's a hard argument to make.

Naturally, people will make it so long as it comes from 'tax money' or 'the owners' - anyone who wants to approach a club and offer to donate insurance premiums/building costs/etc....is more than welcome to do it. But that'd mean money out of their pocket - so it's easier to preach about how 'everyone should get access' than to give someone access.

In my own experience - I've been discriminated against at clubs too. Not because my legs don't work, but because I'm ugly and socially awkward. I'll be waiting in line all night while attractive/popular people jump straight in.

Scruffles · 11-03-2013 07:49PM

Reminds me of an American fellow. He is a lawyer who is also in a wheelchair. He goes to small resort towns, up in the mountains, tiny, historic places. Then he SUES THE CRAP out of everyone in the town - claiming they were discriminating against him by not accommodating his wheelchair.

what is his name? woudnt mind reading up on this guy.

Gyalist · 11-03-2013 07:54PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Have you read this thread at all? The club was not insured to have their bouncers carry someone down the stairs. I completely believe this is true because the club I work in has the same policy and requires the customer to sign a release form to allow the security team to carry
them up the stairs. This form waivers any responsibility from the club if the customer gets injured.

What if one of the bouncers got injured? Or his friends, who were offered the chance to carry him? Who would be responsible then?

I have to say that the club that you work for is taking a huge risk. Once an injured party goes to lawyers the club will quickly find out that the waiver is not even worth the paper that it is written on.

james142 · 11-03-2013 08:17PM

Am I the only one who cant view their facebook page?

Duck's hoop · 11-03-2013 08:19PM

Those wheelchair people should stay at home with their bitterness. I don't want my night ruined having to look at them and feel sorry for them.

Who does he think he is anyway? And the cheek of him wanting to go where others go, the very cheek.

And his bird is gorgeous, there's something not right when a cripple can have that on his arm.

It's wheely strange. He hasn't a leg to stand on. Watch the wheels come off his campaign fuelled by bitterness.

Bunch of prejudiced **** is what I see on here. The 'cripple' didn't take his medicine. How dare he have a personality and a bit of fight in him. It's just typical of what I see every funking day.

And Orestes, the one time wheelchair user, which now apparently is a licence to say you were there man, you weren't. It was always going to be temporary.

Gorilla Rising · 11-03-2013 08:26PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Those wheelchair people should stay at home with their bitterness. I don't want my night ruined having to look at them and feel sorry for them.

Who does he think he is anyway? And the cheek of him wanting to go where others go, the very cheek.

And his bird is gorgeous, there's something not right when a cripple can have that on his arm.

It's wheely strange. He hasn't a leg to stand on. Watch the wheels come off his campaign fuelled by bitterness.

Bunch of prejudiced **** is what I see on here. The 'cripple' didn't take his medicine. How dare he have a personality and a bit of fight in him. It's just typical of what I see every funking day.

And Orestes, the one time wheelchair user, which now apparently is a licence to say you were there man, you weren't. It was always going to be temporary.

Go and the read the entire thread and stop making a fool of yourself. Good lad.

veep · 11-03-2013 08:29PM

fortune wookiee wrote: »

Go and the read the entire thread and stop making a fool of yourself. Good lad.

Yes, because a thread by people who have no first hand information is the best place to get all the info on this.

Dynamo Roller · 11-03-2013 08:30PM

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wonderfullife · 11-03-2013 08:31PM

any update on this situation?

(finding out the identity of the girl in the red skirt not the other bollix with the drunk/maybe drunk, discriminated against/maybe not, attention seeking/possibly a twat guy in the wheelchair)

Grayson · 11-03-2013 08:31PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Those wheelchair people should stay at home with their bitterness. I don't want my night ruined having to look at them and feel sorry for them.

Who does he think he is anyway? And the cheek of him wanting to go where others go, the very cheek.

And his bird is gorgeous, there's something not right when a cripple can have that on his arm.

It's wheely strange. He hasn't a leg to stand on. Watch the wheels come off his campaign fuelled by bitterness.

Bunch of prejudiced **** is what I see on here. The 'cripple' didn't take his medicine. How dare he have a personality and a bit of fight in him. It's just typical of what I see every funking day.

And Orestes, the one time wheelchair user, which now apparently is a licence to say you were there man, you weren't. It was always going to be temporary.

Graham?

(I have to stop responding like that)

Seriously though, read the thread. Then maybe discuss. maybe rebut a point or two. Because just insulting people is really not helping your argument. In fact, I can't even see an argument here. It's just attacks on people.

Grayson · 11-03-2013 08:33PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

any update on this situation?

(finding out the identity of the girl in the red skirt not the other bollix with the drunk/maybe drunk, discriminated against/maybe not, attention seeking/possibly a twat guy in the wheelchair)

That was back on page 20-ish. His GF apparently.

fullgas · 11-03-2013 08:35PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Bunch of prejudiced **** is what I see on here. The 'cripple' didn't take his medicine. How dare he have a personality and a bit of fight in him. It's just typical of what I see every funking day.

And Orestes, the one time wheelchair user, which now apparently is a licence to say you were there man, you weren't. It was always going to be temporary.

The Facebook lynch mob is datta way ---->

wonderfullife · 11-03-2013 08:35PM

Grayson wrote: »

That was back on page 20-ish. His GF apparently.

name? seeing as they are obviously a couple who love an old fb witchhunt, im sure they wont be averse to me stalking her fb page :pac:

Seedy Arling · 11-03-2013 08:40PM

I never knew there were so many retards in the world until I read some of the comments on that picture in the Madison niteclub facebook page.

I'll actually make a point of going there if it means all those idiots will be boycotting it.

Carlos Orange · 11-03-2013 08:40PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

I think Bolger is lying, I think he's kicking up a fuss for no reason and I think he's a nasty person for costing that bouncer his job, not to mention the countless bar staff who will be let go in the coming weeks due to the amount of people who say they'll never go near the club again.

I imagine most of the people claiming they will never go near it have never gone near it.

wonderfullife · 11-03-2013 08:43PM

Artful_Badger wrote: »

<snip>.

ah this whole story makes sense now. Daily Mail/The Sun interview upcoming with the model girlfriend yada yada yawn.

wonder did she say "do you know who i am" in an attempt to get him in.

Fr_Dougal · 11-03-2013 08:44PM

psinno wrote: »

I imagine most of the people claiming they will never go near it have never gone near it.

They sound like riff-raff tbh.

Duck's hoop · 11-03-2013 08:47PM

fortune wookiee wrote: »

Go and the read the entire thread and stop making a fool of yourself. Good lad.

Good lad, wee pat on the head too, nice.

I've read the first 17 pages, right to where it was pretty much 90% anti 'the chair user' who it seemed to me to become the focus for the general preconceptions of people with disabilities of the fine people of AH.

He has been variously described as bitter, attention seeking, petty. Combined with the various obvious jokes based on his disability and the fact he uses a chair. And of course referred to as a cripple over and over.

Numerous references were made to other and various disabled people who expect special treatment because of disability, how some are professional litigants, and how this guy had probably set it up.

Orestes compared his not gaining access to this club to him not being able to play soccer. I find that petty and insulting.

If I'm blind I cannot reasonably expect to be a top darts player. I can however expect my physical environment not to further disable me. Or at the very least i can try to make a go of overcoming it. With help or without.

There's a good lad.

ScumLord · 11-03-2013 08:48PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Bunch of prejudiced **** is what I see on here. The 'cripple' didn't take his medicine. How dare he have a personality and a bit of fight in him. It's just typical of what I see every funking day.

There's been some good back and forth. What your seeing here is what's called a debate, it's a lot like a conversation. What your seeing on Facebook is a lynch mob.

wonderfullife wrote: »

wonder did she say "do you know who i am"

Probably, she is a model. They forget things. :pac:

starlings · 11-03-2013 08:52PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Good lad, wee pat on the head too, nice.

I've read the first 17 pages, right to where it was pretty much 90% anti 'the chair user' who it seemed to me to become the focus for the general preconceptions of people with disabilities of the fine people of AH.

He has been variously described as bitter, attention seeking, petty. Combined with the various obvious jokes based on his disability and the fact he uses a chair. And of course referred to as a cripple over and over.

Numerous references were made to other and various disabled people who expect special treatment because of disability, how some are professional litigants, and how this guy had probably set it up.

Orestes compared his not gaining access to this club to him not being able to play soccer. I find that petty and insulting.

If I'm blind I cannot reasonably expect to be a top darts player. I can however expect my physical environment not to further disable me. Or at the very least i can try to make a go of overcoming it. With help or without.

There's a good lad.

I think you should quote a particular post and address it in context instead of singling out Orestes (twice), when he has been one of the voices of reason and experience on this thread.

The Road Runner · 11-03-2013 08:52PM

No need to name the up and coming model girlfriend here

Gatling · 11-03-2013 08:53PM

Probably a publicity stunt for her, watch she will be all over morning TV doing the I'm totally shocked at this ,her Facebook isn't exactly then most liked or followed for a model

Duck's hoop · 11-03-2013 08:55PM

ScumLord wrote: »

There's been some good back and forth. What your seeing here is what's called a debate, it's a lot like a conversation. What your seeing on Facebook is a lynch mob.

Most of what I've seen on here has been pretty negative towards the chair user tbh.

I've no interest in the FB mob. But I really don't think there's a reasoned and informed debate going on here either.

wonderfullife · 11-03-2013 08:56PM

My general opinion on matters is you can be male, female, black, white, asian, disabled, transgendered, a dwarf, a giant,..... and still be a complete twat. I've no problem with discrimination against numpties regardless of any of their other characteristics as human beings.

I could understand his stance on the matter if it was the only club in the vicinity but this was Dublin and waiting outside for 45 minutes regardless of circumstances is just being a twat. I've done it once in my life myself in Wales, bouncer took my passport off me claiming it was a fake i.d. and i literally had to wait an hour for the police to come fetch me it back, but otherwise it's just being a twat. We've all been refused from clubs on so many BS reasons over the years, take it on the chin, curse the bouncers under your breath, move on get drunk elsewhere.

Big Bottom · 11-03-2013 08:58PM

I havent read most of this thread but I know from experience that sometimes there is good reason to not allow wheelchairs into clubs for health and safety reasons being one of them.

Grayson · 11-03-2013 08:59PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

If I'm blind I cannot reasonably expect to be a top darts player. I can however expect my physical environment not to further disable me. Or at the very least i can try to make a go of overcoming it. With help or without.

You can expect it. Trees and lamposts won't move out of your way. A blind person has to work around them.

There are plenty of places that don't have the ability to cater for the disabled. They just can't do it.

As many people have said, would you expect wheelchair access to say the roof of the vatican (there's a narrow walkway there. Wide enough for one person) Or would you expect a wheelchair user to be allowed onto the top deck of a dublin bus?

Demanding something from someone who can't supply it is just childish. Taking revenge on them like that is even worse. He obviously couldn't care less about the people who work there. It's just nasty.
He's obviously reading his facebook page since people there are complaining that he's deleting their comments. But he hasn't responded to their apology or the guy getting fired. All he did after the guy got fired was repost the photo.

Now, do you actually have any evidence to suggest that he hasn't gone over the top?
I have a feeling you don't actually have an argument and you're going to just say that we're haters. Which is ironic.

LizT · 11-03-2013 08:59PM

Mod
Please don't link to people's personal profiles.

ScumLord · 11-03-2013 09:01PM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Most of what I've seen on here has been pretty negative towards the chair user tbh.

Of course your going to get extreme views, this is the internet but I think over all it's been a reasoned debate considering what's' known. It's a topic that incites big emotions. At first I was shocked to hear a wheelchair user was turned away but the more I hear the less like discrimination it sounds. Maybe the bouncer used the wrong words but I think he was right to deny access for safety reasons. It's not nice to be turned away for something that's completely out of your control but businesses can't take risks these days, every one is ready to sue at the drop of a hat. If there was a fire he could have been killed and anyone that tried to help him could have died in the attempt.

I also think the nightclub isn't in a suitable premises. When I heard that the only access is stairs I immediately thought it was dangerous, not just for patrons but any staff that has to haul stock up the bar. I don't see how it passed safety regulations with a set up like that.

Big Bottom · 11-03-2013 09:02PM

LizT wrote: »

Mod
Please don't link to people's personal profiles.

Thanks for saying that I think it is outrageous that people can put that.

Imagine the poor girl had done nothing wrong and she is now getting hate mail sent to her?

A Primal Nut · 11-03-2013 09:02PM

The bar made two mistakes. First of all by not having proper facilities for disabled guests. Secondly by putting all the blame on the bouncer. How the hell is it his fault?? It's the venue's fault for not providing the proper facilities. The bouncer did the right thing by not letting that guy in as it would be dangerous to do so. There was no way for him to get down the stairs or back out again. The bouncer is 100% in the right and the venue putting all the blame on him is pathetic.

If any good comes of this, perhaps more venues will consider adding lifts.

Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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