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Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    Because I would hope that the bad experience of being in a wheelchair helps them to become better people.

    so what you HOPE is now bible?

    look, the unfortunate reality is, exactly what you said "the BAD EXPERIENCE OF BEING IN A WHEELCHAIR".... ie: this is normal if you are in a wheelchair. some places do not have access,some do, and it doesnt mean he has the right to make a huge scene for nearly an hour outside the club, and getting some chap fired from his job.

    in my honest opinion, i really think he was out for a claim.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    He has nothing to gain out of it. Do you think that the equality commissioner is going to give him 10 grand or something? No chance.

    For me the heart of the matter is the offer for his friends (female and wearing high heels) to carry him down the stairs.

    If these were the friends referred to the bouncer was totally out of order.

    I have been bulling when refused entry but it was usually because I was drunk and acting the prick.
    ah come off it, have you ever felt the rage for being refused from a place on "not tonight mate" or whatever non-reason you're given.

    that's why i made the point of black people being refused, you dont see them turning around with campaigns like this. "they wouldnt let me in because i am black". that doesnt happen in this day and age.

    Bouncers may come across as loud, or aggressive to some people, but it's sh!te like this that maybe makes some of them this way?

    anyway, my point is, he THINKS he has a lot to gain by twisting the story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    They rarely do tell lies though and this young man in a wheelchair has no motivation for lying about the bouncer.
    Do you consider the disabled mentally incapable of lying, or do you have some other reason to deny that people in wheelchairs are just as fallible and corruptible as the rest of humanity? 'Cos I've known a couple, and they're just like every one else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    In my experience bouncers stick up for each other so the fact that the bouncer got the sack shows that he must have been really out of order.

    This x1000. It's super rare for bouncers to be dealt with properly when they step out of line. Remember the photo of the guy with the horribly bruised face last year after he was beaten up by bouncers? Never heard of the club apologizing or taking any action at all.

    If times are changing and these people are going to be held accountable for their actions while on the job, fantastic. 'Bout time a lot of them learned that theirs is basically a customer service job in which being rude or obnoxious towards people has actual consequences.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    I read a statement on Facebook from the guy who took the photo.
    He said this was the first nightclub he got to after getting out of the taxi.
    Err, how many clubs does he go to on a typical night out??
    And if this is the first time he has been refused, he's got a better ratio than a lot of non wheelchair bound people!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    He has nothing to gain out of it. Do you think that the equality commissioner is going to give him 10 grand or something? No chance.

    For me the heart of the matter is the offer for his friends (female and wearing high heels) to carry him down the stairs.

    If these were the friends referred to the bouncer was totally out of order.

    I have been bulling when refused entry but it was usually because I was drunk and acting the prick.

    How do you know he wasn't doing the same?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭DeanAustin



    in my honest opinion, i really think he was out for a claim.

    Not sure he'd have done his chances any good by going down this route.

    If this isn't what Graham is claiming, then it looks to me like it could be a misguided attempt to get some attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭DeltaWhite


    Dude, you are going to be eaten alive here, are you familiar with After Hours?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    LizT wrote: »
    Why are people in wheelchairs any different from the rest of us? As Dr. House says, everybody lies. Talking about people in wheelchairs as if they're some sort of modern day saints is patronizing.

    You must not forget, it suited his bias agenda. :P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    I have been bulling when refused entry but it was usually because I was drunk and acting the prick.

    So people in wheelchairs can't be drunk and act the prick? Well, we will have to take their word for it, since they can't lie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭The Road Runner


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    the bad experience of being in a wheelchair helps them to become better people.

    Without knowing exactly what's going down in this instant, you could argue below could also be the case.
    kidneyfan wrote: »
    the bad experience of being in a wheelchair helps them to become bitter people.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    kylith wrote: »
    Do you consider the disabled mentally incapable of lying, or do you have some other reason to deny that people in wheelchairs are just as fallible and corruptible as the rest of humanity? 'Cos I've known a couple, and they're just like every one else.
    He has no motivation for lying and nothing to gain from it. The bouncers do have something to gain from it. If you go to the trouble of setting up a facebook page then there is no smoke without fire.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    He has nothing to gain out of it. Do you think that the equality commissioner is going to give him 10 grand or something? No chance.

    For me the heart of the matter is the offer for his friends (female and wearing high heels) to carry him down the stairs.

    If these were the friends referred to the bouncer was totally out of order.

    I have been bulling when refused entry but it was usually because I was drunk and acting the prick.

    how do you know he wasnt acting the prick?

    and, in case you didnt read all the other posts, it has been noted that the chap had a bottle of beer in his hand outside the door of the nightclub.

    THAT is the reason he was refused.

    i wouldnt be allowed in with a bottle of booze - why should anybody else?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    orestes wrote: »
    So people in wheelchairs can't be drunk and act the prick? Well, we will have to take their word for it, since they can't lie.

    I think I have a new way to deal with criminals.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    orestes wrote: »
    So people in wheelchairs can't be drunk and act the prick? Well, we will have to take their word for it, since they can't lie.
    Yeah but they can't get into fights can they? Which is a pretty good reason for bouncers not to let drunks into nightclubs and pubs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    He has no motivation for lying and nothing to gain from it. The bouncers do have something to gain from it. If you go to the trouble of setting up a facebook page then there is no smoke without fire.

    He is getting international publicity, sympathy and may well receive 'compensation' from the club.

    If he had a legitimate claim he would have contacted a solicitor, not a bunch of randomers on facebook.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Just after getting in and skimmed through this thread, sounds like this chap thinks being in a wheelchair is a good excuse for being a díckhead.

    why was the bouncer sacked if he did nothing wrong?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 veep


    it has been noted that the chap had a bottle of beer in his hand outside the door of the nightclub.

    It's not a bottle of beer! It's the wheel of his chair FFS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    He has nothing to gain out of it. Do you think that the equality commissioner is going to give him 10 grand or something? No chance.

    For me the heart of the matter is the offer for his friends (female and wearing high heels) to carry him down the stairs.

    If these were the friends referred to the bouncer was totally out of order.

    I have been bulling when refused entry but it was usually because I was drunk and acting the prick.

    So, the security men should have left their posts to carry a wheelchair down a flight of stairs, which is not only putting themselves in physical danger, as wheelchairs are large, unwieldy things, but is also contra-indicated by their insurers, and a fire hazard rather than Mr. Bolger going to one of the many other, handicapped accessible clubs in the city?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭kidneyfan


    how do you know he wasnt acting the prick?

    and, in case you didnt read all the other posts, it has been noted that the chap had a bottle of beer in his hand outside the door of the nightclub.

    THAT is the reason he was refused.

    i wouldnt be allowed in with a bottle of booze - why should anybody else?
    The other bouncer said that they offered to let his friends (girls in short skirts and heels) carry him down the stairs. Also I don't see a bottle of beer. His eyes look bloodshot but that could be tears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 veep


    If he had a legitimate claim he would have contacted a solicitor, not a bunch of randomers on facebook.

    And you have evidence to prove he hasn't also done this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Seedy Arling


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    What I do see here is the sort of vile bullying that welcomes the opportunity to attack someone for being in a wheelchair.
    And i believe he got raped on facebook too. Shocking stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,790 ✭✭✭tvnutz


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    His eyes look bloodshot but that could be tears.

    Oh good jaysus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    Yeah but they can't get into fights can they? Which is a pretty good reason for bouncers not to let drunks into nightclubs and pubs!

    You're gas. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    dddmac wrote: »
    Regulations that came into force after 2010 regarding disability access:
    Disability Access Certificate: an Overview

    *Any building work that requires Planning Permission and a Fire Cert will now also require an Access Cert.
    *All non-domestic building work that starts on site after 1st Jan 2010 will need a certificate before works begin.
    *Non-domestic building work includes new hotels, apartment blocks, shops, churches, offices, etc. In fact, everything except private houses. It also includes any changes to these types of buildings that will affect their layout or facilities, e.g. extensions, ramps or toilets.
    *An Access Cert will normally be applied for at the same time as a Fire Cert.
    *Work cannot start on site without an Access Cert. However, as there is no official time period (unlike a Fire Cert) in which the Building Control Authority are required to issue the cert, this may potentially lead to delays for applicants.

    Link to building control act 2007

    Dublin City Disability access cert requirements

    From one of those links
    From 1st January 2010 all new buildings in Ireland (except for houses), and buildings where there is a change of layout, will require a Disability Access Certificate.

    Unless they changed the insides significantly, they don't need an access cert.







    kidneyfan wrote: »
    Pretty shocking to call a disabled man a liar.
    The disabled man has not waged a vicious campaign of discrimination. I don't really know what you mean.

    Why can't you accuse anyone of lying? The whole point of equality is that we treat him the same as anyone else. I'm applying the same standards that I apply to everyone else.

    And don't say why couldn't the nightclub apply the same standards. the place is down a steep flight of stairs. It creates a dangerous situation for him and the other customers if they let in people that they are not equiped to help. Can you imagine a dublin bus driver letting someone carry a disabled person up to the upper deck of a bus. Of course not. It's not equipped for that and it's dangerous.

    And are you actually saying that the nightclub has waged a vicious campaign against him? He's the one that's reposting again and again, even after someone got fired. That is mean, nasty and petty.
    kidneyfan wrote: »
    In my experience bouncers stick up for each other so the fact that the bouncer got the sack shows that he must have been really out of order.

    I sincerely hope that an innocent man didn't get the sack but what would the disabled man in a wheelchair have to gain from getting the bouncer sacked?


    Once again, why should he be better than anyone else? I have no idea why you constantly say "disabled man in a wheelchair " as if that means he has a higher moral code than anyone else.
    It's because your argument has no strength and you're hoping to illicit sympathy. And it's obvious that he's got an agenda. He's reposting again and again. His friends were even reposting (and posting here). Some of them even created graphics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    And i believe he got raped on facebook too. Shocking stuff.

    Careful now, wouldn't want Fidelma Healy Eames weighing in on this incident... I don't think I could bear the shame of seeing another video of her going viral and internationally representing the Irish government's knowledge of the internet ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    veep wrote: »
    And you have evidence to prove he hasn't also done this?

    Why the social media campaign then?

    I would think that this publicity would render any kind of legitimate claim impossible...

    ...and I would have thought that he would be quick to announce that he will sue if he had legitimate reason to do so, given the very public nature of his campaign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,960 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    tvnutz wrote: »
    Oh good jaysus

    Hard to know what to say to that isn't it? :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    kidneyfan wrote: »
    Yeah but they can't get into fights can they? Which is a pretty good reason for bouncers not to let drunks into nightclubs and pubs!

    Yes they can, and it's pretty easy to win too. Nobody wants to hit you when you're in a wheelchair, and while they're thinking about whether or not to do it you're at a perfect height to punch them in the nuts.


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