Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

Seedy Arling · 11-03-2013 12:14PM

A gay, coloured, member of the travelling community in a wheelchair was refused entry to a night club.

ZOMG, rabble, rabble, rabble, outrage, outrage etc etc

monkeypants · 11-03-2013 12:15PM

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

No it was the actual Facebook link that I was looking for so that I can share it on my page!

Search for his name and it might come up.

Seedy Arling · 11-03-2013 12:17PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

A gay, coloured, member of the travelling community in a wheelchair was refused entry to a night club.

ZOMG, rabble, rabble, rabble, outrage, outrage etc etc

Like dis post if u are aginst dis

Rabies · 11-03-2013 12:18PM

Seedy Arling wrote: »

Like dis post if u are aginst dis

1 thanks = one leg
1 share = bionic man episode

rogieop · 11-03-2013 12:18PM

triple-M wrote: »

so if I walk up to coppers on a busy night get refused nobody bats an eyelid,but then if I lie under a luas and it cuts off my legs and I come back in a wheel chair the next day and I get refused again I can have the doormen fired and stir up a big rucus and run the place out of business?hmmm

think it would take longer than 24 hours for you to recover from severed limbs to be honest pal.

monkeypants · 11-03-2013 12:20PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What if Graham was applying for a job there?

He's already employed as a fireman. Unfortunately he's in dispute with the local station because they have all these ladders that he can't use.

Seedy Arling · 11-03-2013 12:20PM

Rabies wrote: »

1 thanks = one leg
1 share = bionic man episode

Brilliant.

The Road Runner · 11-03-2013 12:21PM

Infact if all these muppets on facebook are going to be avoiding the Maddison it might be somewhere I'll frequent in the future.

maximoose · 11-03-2013 12:22PM

The Road Runner wrote: »

Infact if all these muppets on facebook are going to be avoiding the Maddison it might be somewhere I'll frequent in the future.

Boards.ie Beers in the Madison!

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:31PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Actually, they aren't obliged to take wheelchair users. There's no difference in priority regarding buggy/wheelchair. It's first come first served. So if a buggy is taking up the space, it's at the discretion of whoever came on with the buggy.

I mean the buses have to be accessible. So they have those ramps and things. same with government buildings, hospitals (obviously) schools etc...

But a resteraunt, shop, taxi doesn't have to. If someone doesn't get on a bus because there's no room, it's the same as being turned away from a full nightclub. They should have gotton in the queue earlier.

DjTaz · 11-03-2013 12:32PM

md23040 wrote: »

Maybe the second bouncers Facebook comment of him being an arrogant self-important kind of twat etc with too much drink seems in my eyes to be gaining more momentum as far as credibility of whom to believe.

I spoke to the guy on the night after he was stopped and he was completely sober and had only got out of the taxi. It was 11.20 when we spoke. He was very polite and well spoken and had no aggression in any way and was in no way drunk.

DjTaz · 11-03-2013 12:33PM

Grayson wrote: »

I mean the buses have to be accessible. So they have those ramps and things. same with government buildings, hospitals (obviously) schools etc...

But a resteraunt, shop, taxi doesn't have to. If someone doesn't get on a bus because there's no room, it's the same as being turned away from a full nightclub. They should have gotton in the queue earlier.

The club wasnt full , it was 11.20 and there was about 80 people in the place as i had just come out.

Fratton Fred · 11-03-2013 12:34PM

Cienciano wrote: »

That's just not realistic. Every georgian building on merrion square has to get rid of it's granite steps and have a wheelchair ramp? The interior of all these buildings has to be altered to put in a lift?

It has to be proportional. Lots of those buildings will have disabled access, it may not be obvious. That's why I asked how old it was.

It doesn't matter that the building is old, it is the refurbishment. If they spent €50m refurbishing the building, then they would be expected to ensure there is disabled access. Being under
rground has nothing to do with it.

Oranage2 · 11-03-2013 12:35PM

Give it up DjTaz you're his mate :rolleyes:

Dravokivich · 11-03-2013 12:37PM

Grayson wrote: »

I mean the buses have to be accessible. So they have those ramps and things. same with government buildings, hospitals (obviously) schools etc...

But a resteraunt, shop, taxi doesn't have to. If someone doesn't get on a bus because there's no room, it's the same as being turned away from a full nightclub. They should have gotton in the queue earlier.

It's not a matter of queuing when you've various bus stops along a route. The provision of wheelchair accessibility on the buses is purely cosmetic. My da's a driver on'em himself, so that's where I've heard it from. When there's no priority for the wheelchair user, it can't really be claimed to be for the purpose of providing a wheelchair user with a means of public transport.

Fratton Fred · 11-03-2013 12:37PM

Grayson wrote: »

I mean the buses have to be accessible. So they have those ramps and things. same with government buildings, hospitals (obviously) schools etc...

But a resteraunt, shop, taxi doesn't have to. If someone doesn't get on a bus because there's no room, it's the same as being turned away from a full nightclub. They should have gotton in the queue earlier.

Forget about customers for a minute. People work in these places and employers are expected to make reasonable provision for disabled people.

Lone Stone · 11-03-2013 12:38PM

If the building isnt wheel chair friendly then they were right to deny access, ie no wheel chair friendly toilets/lift/ramps etc.

Kenny Logins · 11-03-2013 12:40PM

DjTaz wrote: »

I spoke to the guy on the night after he was stopped and he was completely sober and had only got out of the taxi. It was 11.20 when we spoke. He was very polite and well spoken and had no aggression in any way and was in no way drunk.

...and what was the "45 min ordeal of extreme discrimination at the hands of their staff" all about?

krudler · 11-03-2013 12:41PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It has to be proportional. Lots of those buildings will have disabled access, it may not be obvious. That's why I asked how old it was.

It doesn't matter that the building is old, it is the refurbishment. If they spent €50m refurbishing the building, then they would be expected to ensure there is disabled access. Being under
rground has nothing to do with it.

how exactly do you refurbish a building for wheelchair access if there's no place to put it? been in loads of tiny pubs that are only accessible by stairs, they cant magically make space for ramps

Crimsonforce · 11-03-2013 12:42PM

sounds to me someone is looking for attention...

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:48PM

DjTaz wrote: »

The club wasnt full , it was 11.20 and there was about 80 people in the place as i had just come out.

That's nice. When did I say he was turned away because it was full?

I've said consistantly through this thread that i felt he was probably turned away because it's down a massive flight of stairs.

But of course, at no point on his facebook pages has he actually said what he was told by the bouncers. And at no point did he say what happened in those 45 minutes or what the humilation was. Or why it had to be that club.

And his mate who posted it here has been suspiciously silent.
Added to the fact that even after an apology and a man losing his livelyhood, he's still posting it on his facebook page, it sounds like what he wants is to make the club lose so much business it closes, meaning even more people lose their jobs. That's just nasty, petty and vindictive.

I can't believe the two statements his mate made here. that 1) he didn't want this attention and 2) he's a relaxed guy.
That's because even after an apology he's still posting it. And he works in media so he knows what happens on facebook. He wanted this and he's feeding it.

I'm also a bit confused at how his friend says he has no idea who the girls are, and someone else posted photo's of him with the girls.

My personal opinion is that he's either petty or had a previous gripe with the club.

deconduo · 11-03-2013 12:49PM

monkeypants wrote: »

So what's the plan for those two folks if the building needs to be evacuated?

When I did a fire safety training course, we were told to leave people in wheelchairs in a safe place as far away from the fire as possible. Then to inform the fire brigade that there were people in wheelchairs still inside when they arrived.

Fratton Fred · 11-03-2013 12:52PM

krudler wrote: »

how exactly do you refurbish a building for wheelchair access if there's no place to put it? been in loads of tiny pubs that are only accessible by stairs, they cant magically make space for ramps

Then it isn't proportional. Disabled access has to be taken into consideration, it is the law. If they cant do it, then somewhere there should be a report saying that options were considered and were not practical.

A commercial premises cant just say **** it, even though we are spending millions doing up a property we cant be bothered to build ramp or a lift.

Beef · 11-03-2013 12:52PM

My personal favourite comment out of all of this was the genius of a girl on facebook calling the nightclub owners 'spastics'. Fighting the cause for people with disabilities!

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:52PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Forget about customers for a minute. People work in these places and employers are expected to make reasonable provision for disabled people.

Really? So firemen are supposed to provide wheelchair accessaible ladders for disabled firemen? the HSE has to provide facilities for blind surgeons?

username123 · 11-03-2013 12:53PM

Grayson wrote: »

I'm also a bit confused at how his friend says he has no idea who the girls are, and someone else posted photo's of him with the girls.

Im confused that someone on here posted that they have known him 20 years and this has never happened but on the text accompanying his facebook image he states that he has been adventuring in a chair for 8 years.

Which is it?

Fratton Fred · 11-03-2013 12:55PM

deconduo wrote: »

When I did a fire safety training course, we were told to leave people in wheelchairs in a safe place as far away from the fire as possible. Then to inform the fire brigade that there were people in wheelchairs still inside when they arrived.

There are safe havens in each stairwell where peopor who cant make it down the stairs can wait for assistance.

monkeypants · 11-03-2013 12:55PM

Kenny Logins wrote: »

...and what was the "45 min ordeal of extreme discrimination at the hands of their staff" all about?

I heard that they clamped him outside.

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:56PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Then it isn't proportional. Disabled access has to be taken into consideration, it is the law. If they cant do it, then somewhere there should be a report saying that options were considered and were not practical.

A commercial premises cant just say **** it, even though we are spending millions doing up a property we cant be bothered to build ramp or a lift.

they can if there's no room whatsoever. Like someone said earlier, should they build in wheelchair access into the leaning tower of pisa?

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:59PM

username123 wrote: »

Im confused that someone on here posted that they have known him 20 years and this has never happened but on the text accompanying his facebook image he states that he has been adventuring in a chair for 8 years.

Which is it?

On his facebook page are invites from his mates to go to other bars that night.

Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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