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Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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  • #332
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Grayson wrote: »

    there's be a lot of empty space if every place had to be wheelchair accessible. the south side especially has loads of little basement shops. I have a mate who has rented the top floor of an old building for a specialist shop. He's using the savings he scraped together. There's only a narrow stairs that two people couldn't pass on. There's no lift and nowhere one could be built even if he could afford it.
    Should that space remain empty?

    In the case of the nightclub, if i remember correctly, it might be new, but there have been clubs there in the past. It's directly under the building (it's a basement). The only way to get build lift down would be to go into the business that's above. So that business would have to provide access after hours.

    Businesses should provide access, when possible. If they're just not bothered, that's sh1tty, but that's not the same as not being able to.

    It has to be proportional. If they spent €5m fitting out a club then they in the wrong. If the spent €200k and disabled access would have cost that again then it is cost prohibitive.

    They should make that very clear though and it shouldn't be up to a bouncer to decide who does and who doesn't get in.


  • #333
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    They should make that very clear though and it shouldn't be up to a bouncer to decide who does and who doesn't get in.

    Wheelchair or not, that is always the case.


  • #334
    rubiesarered
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭rubiesarered


    I've a friend in a wheelchair and he often comes out with a big group of us. Over the years, he's been refused entry to quite a few clubs where the club is in a basement. It doesn't matter if there is a lift to get you in because, if there was a fire, they couldn't let you use it to get out. It's not discriminatory at all - its just a fact that the insurance company won't allow it. We just learnt which clubs to go to and which not to go to.


  • #335
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Ush1 wrote: »

    Wheelchair or not, that is always the case.

    Yes and no. That is part of the bouncers job, bit this is refusal based on disability only, which is a unique matter.

    Should they let people in on crutches, or with only one leg? They might have trouble getting up the stairs, what about a blind person?

    The club should have a clear policy.


  • #336
    Kloecor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭Kloecor


    I'm in Waterford and a friend of mine is in a wheelchair. The lift wasn't working so the bouncers lifted him up the stairs. And when he was leaving they lifted him back down again.

    This is just so wrong!! It's like he's being punished for no reason. Those bouncers should be completely embarrassed by themselves at the moment!


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  • #337
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    pawsandheels wrote: »
    I've a friend in a wheelchair and he often comes out with a big group of us. Over the years, he's been refused entry to quite a few clubs where the club is in a basement. It doesn't matter if there is a lift to get you in because, if there was a fire, they couldn't let you use it to get out. It's not discriminatory at all - its just a fact that the insurance company won't allow it. We just learnt which clubs to go to and which not to go to.

    I work on the fifth floor of a building and we have two people in wheelchairs in the building.


  • #338
    The Road Runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭The Road Runner


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I work on the fifth floor of a building and we have two people in wheelchairs in the building.

    How do they get up the stairs?


  • #339
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    I don't get why he wanted to go to an underground pub that only had access by stairs.

    Yeah I can't understand this either. Why put yourself in the embarrassing position of being carried down stairs, run the risk of falling and injuring yourself and your friends, and do the same when leaving?

    It's not a practical place for a wheelchair user to be, sad but true. Why he didn't go to a club he knew would suit him, I don't know.


  • #340
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,719 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    He shared the post again himself on fb this morning :rolleyes: What was the point in that? He got his apology and the member of staff sacked.


  • #341
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    sounds like someone is after some easy money.


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  • #342
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    The Road Runner wrote: »

    How do they get up the stairs?

    By lift. The same lifts that het turned off if there is a fire.


  • #343
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It doesn't matter, adequate allowance should have been made for disabled access. This applies to the refurbishment of premises as well as new construction.

    This should have been covered in their planning application and licence. Firstly and foremost because they are an employer.

    That's a pretty big cost to undertake for a miniscule percentage of customers.


  • #344
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    sounds like someone is after some easy money.
    Out for drinks.
    Get denied access.
    Pose for picture outside venue
    Go to FB and rant instead of going back the next day to complain.

    Sounds like a lovely chap.


  • #345
    Brendan Flowers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    fullstop wrote: »
    He shared the post again himself on fb this morning :rolleyes: What was the point in that? He got his apology and the member of staff sacked.

    He's really coming across as a petty, spiteful little man. Rather than feel guilty for getting a man fired he seems determined to use this whole incident to get his 15 mins of fame and a bit of compo.


  • #346
    The Road Runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭The Road Runner


    fullstop wrote: »
    He shared the post again himself on fb this morning :rolleyes: What was the point in that? He got his apology and the member of staff sacked.

    I suspect he didn't preempt the nightclub apologizing so soon and the bouncer getting the sack. Hasn't got the millage out of his campaign he wanted so he's stocking the fire some more. Says a lot about the guy him doing that today


  • #347
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    It doesn't matter, adequate allowance should have been made for disabled access. This applies to the refurbishment of premises as well as new construction.

    This should have been covered in their planning application and licence. Firstly and foremost because they are an employer.
    That's just not realistic. Every georgian building on merrion square has to get rid of it's granite steps and have a wheelchair ramp? The interior of all these buildings has to be altered to put in a lift?
    Kloecor wrote: »
    I'm in Waterford and a friend of mine is in a wheelchair. The lift wasn't working so the bouncers lifted him up the stairs. And when he was leaving they lifted him back down again.

    This is just so wrong!! It's like he's being punished for no reason. Those bouncers should be completely embarrassed by themselves at the moment!
    I thought you meant being lifted was so wrong! Some people in wheelchairs see being carried as being humiliating.


  • #348
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,719 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    The Road Runner wrote: »
    I suspect he didn't preempt the nightclub apologizing so soon and the bouncer getting the sack. Hasn't got the millage out of his campaign he wanted so he's stocking the fire some more. Says a lot about the guy him doing that today

    You can be damn sure he knew about the apology. One of the comments on his latest sharing "It's gone international now, stuff them hard"


  • #349
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    fullstop wrote: »
    He shared the post again himself on fb this morning :rolleyes: What was the point in that? He got his apology and the member of staff sacked.

    It's beyond an apology, he wants the company to ripped apart by the mob and he wants this little moment to carry on as long as possible.

    He should grow the fùck up and deal with it in a better manner. Instead, he's coming off as spiteful and this repost is reflecting that, he wants it to be viral.

    If I had an unhappy customer I'd encourage them to come to me with their complaint and let me deal with them directly, not kick up a stink on Facebook first and have thousands angrily against you with nobody stepping back to consider the other side of the story.


  • #350
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Yes and no. That is part of the bouncers job, bit this is refusal based on disability only, which is a unique matter.

    Where was that confirmed exactly that he was only refused on disability? Bouncers aren't even obliged to give a reason anyway as far as I know.


  • #351
    monkeypants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭monkeypants


    Kloecor wrote: »
    It's like he's being punished for no reason.
    Punished? Not gaining access to a nightclub is punishment now?


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  • #352
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    I don't get why he wanted to go to an underground pub that only had access by stairs.

    So he could kick up this fuss of coarse.

    Attention seeker.


  • #353
    md23040
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭md23040


    Brendan Flowers wrote: »

    He's really coming across as a petty, spiteful little man. Rather than feel guilty for getting a man fired he seems determined to use this whole incident to get his 15 mins of fame and a bit of compo.

    Maybe the second bouncers Facebook comment of him being an arrogant self-important kind of twat etc with too much drink seems in my eyes to be gaining more momentum as far as credibility of whom to believe.


  • #354
    tunedout
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 448 ✭✭tunedout


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    How old is Madison night club? If it is relatively new, it should have been built with disabled access.

    Nonsense.


  • #355
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    He better get onto any other building or tourist attraction that has no wheelchair access, yes it sucks that people in chairs can't go everywhere, but thats life, seems like a lot of fuss for no reason other than attention seeking. him being let in there is a hazard for himself, whoever had to carry him down the stairs, fire safety and other things, but why let common sense get in the way of a facebook witchhunt? a guy got fired for doing his job, hope the guy is happy.


  • #356
    monkeypants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭monkeypants


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    By lift. The same lifts that het turned off if there is a fire.
    So what's the plan for those two folks if the building needs to be evacuated?


  • #357
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,570 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This is setting a bit of a worrying trend IMO. Can anyone who is part of a minority group or disabled pull out the discrimination card any time they are refused entry to a club?

    Will it get to a stage where clubs are afraid to refuse entry to anyone who is perceived to be a member of these groups just incase the victim card gets whipped out?

    Trial by facebook, a man has lost his job and all because it appears that the bouncer exercised some common sense. In theory, everywhere should be wheelchair accessible. In reality that's just impossible.


  • #358
    Brendan Flowers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    md23040 wrote: »
    Maybe the second bouncers Facebook comment of him being an arrogant self-important kind of twat etc with too much drink seems in my eyes to be gaining more momentum as far as credibility of whom to believe.

    Does anyone have a link to the other bouncer's Facebook post? I'd like to share it on my page as I think people need to hear the other side of this story.


  • #359
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Grayson wrote: »
    How is it shocking that we think a business that isn't designed to support special needs, refuses to support special needs.

    Is it surprising that every taxi cab isn't wheelchair accessible and would you be surprised if a taxi driver refused someone they couldn't cater for?

    Public services like Dublin bus have to because they're public services. But taxi's don't.

    If he was refused from a club that has an accessible ground floor level because he was in a wheelchair, I'd be outraged. But the clue is in the description, I don't think anyone would describe that premises as wheelchair accessible.

    Actually, they aren't obliged to take wheelchair users. There's no difference in priority regarding buggy/wheelchair. It's first come first served. So if a buggy is taking up the space, it's at the discretion of whoever came on with the buggy.


  • #360
    Dravokivich
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    Brendan Flowers wrote: »
    Does anyone have a link to the other bouncer's Facebook post? I'd like to share it on my page as I think people need to hear the other side of this story.

    http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg


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  • #361
    Brendan Flowers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

    No it was the actual Facebook link that I was looking for so that I can share it on my page!


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