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clairefontaine · 09-03-2013 09:35PM

Geuze wrote: »

Our fuel taxes are not the highest in the EU, no.

Our social insurance is quite low.

Overall, our taxes are below average, or close to the average, across the EU.

Electricity is one of the highest in the EU.

Phone tax is at 22%. Why is the phone taxed as a luxury in this day and age?

Fuel at the pump is on par with France, but in France they don't pay motor tax on top of what they pay at the pump and they have superb roads.

I busted a shock on the way into an NCT testing center because the pot holes were like a moon crater landed in the road up to it.

Geuze · 09-03-2013 10:06PM

Yes, electricity prices are high, but that's not directly due to high taxes.

There is no such thing as phone tax. I'd say you are referring to 23% VAT on telecom. The 23% VAT is levied on many goods and services.

Yes, other countries don't have car purchase taxes. Some do, some don't. We do, known as VRT.

Irish PRSI = 4%, French = 20% +.

Banjo String · 09-03-2013 10:10PM

Geuze wrote: »

Yes, electricity prices are high, but that's not directly due to high taxes.

There is no such thing as phone tax. I'd say you are referring to 23% VAT on telecom. The 23% VAT is levied on many goods and services.

Yes, other countries don't have car purchase taxes. Some do, some don't. We do, known as VRT.

Irish PRSI = 4%, French = 20% +.

How is the French USC being received over there?

clairefontaine · 09-03-2013 10:14PM

Geuze wrote: »

Yes, electricity prices are high, but that's not directly due to high taxes.

There is no such thing as phone tax. I'd say you are referring to 23% VAT on telecom. The 23% VAT is levied on many goods and services.

Yes, other countries don't have car purchase taxes. Some do, some don't. We do, known as VRT.

Irish PRSI = 4%, French = 20% +.

France doesn't have a USC and it also sees its money going into roads,s chools and public services, not a black hole bailout.

Electricity prices push up the price of everything and the government collects 13% on the total bill from each customer.

23% is way too high for the phone.

darkhorse · 09-03-2013 10:36PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I don't have any solutions. I'm plain outa ideas TBH, but surely there is a better way

Do you think that one solution could possibly be Direct Democracy, Wibbs.

One way to help achieve an economic recovery would be to address one of the other highest priorities, one which would again reduce the severity of the subsequent issues: the exploitation of Ireland’s natural resources. Ireland has an estimated 1.5 trillion euros of oil and gas in national waters which is being given away for free to non-national companies. A renegotiation of the terms of these contracts along the lines of other oil-rich nations, at the very least, would create a large revenue stream for the country which would massively increase our ability to address the other pressing issues which require funds, such as job creation, the health service, education, gardai, etc.

Just one question, what group in the country does it suit most not to allow the citizens have direct democracy?

Geuze · 09-03-2013 10:49PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

France doesn't have a USC and it also sees its money going into roads,s chools and public services, not a black hole bailout.

Electricity prices push up the price of everything and the government collects 13% on the total bill from each customer.

23% is way too high for the phone.

I fully agree with you that the 64bn cost of the banking crisis is sickening. The 30bn into IBRC was pure waste and loss.

I fully agree that electricity prices are too high here. That's not due to tax, though. If I was in power, I would order the ESB to cut prices 10% straight away.

And, yes, the high elec costs put up overheads for all businesses.

I also agree that 23% VAT is a bit high. Across the EU, rates are from maybe 18% to a max of 27% in Hungary.

Germany = 19
UK = 20
NL = 21

I suggest 20%.

Geuze · 09-03-2013 10:51PM

clairefontaine wrote: »

France doesn't have a USC

Note that the USC is not a new tax.

It replaced two former taxes - the Health levy and the Income levy.

For some people, they pay less in USC compared to what they paid in the two levies.

Although it is true that the USC kicks in at lower wages than the levies did.

darkhorse · 09-03-2013 11:10PM

cheapy2006 wrote: »

sad thing is there's more than likely gonna be thousands in line to pay this criminal charge, all pointing at you and calling you a criminal.
that's how low we've sunk in this country, and how much more dearly we hold the interests of the gombeen than we do the generations to come.
as my da always says-"We're a bastard nation!"

Agreed. Also, there will be hundreds of thousands of people who just cannot afford it. One of the biggest impacts of this upcoming(unjust) tax, as I, and many others have said, is that it is going to criminalize so many people, who, otherwise may never have had a brush with the law in their entire lives. The government, of course, know this, and it don't even seem to be an issue with them.

darkhorse · 09-03-2013 11:15PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

That's it. We're still something like 12 billion in deficit.

A billion is a million million.

We're no where near closing this gap nor will we ever be.

Closing this gap would involve slashing social welfare in half and the pay of public workers also.

Or discovering oil, or something like that.

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 11:17PM

Just in relation to electricity prices, I had a man coming to my door from Airelectricity (spelling) promoting their service and saying that their service cheaper than the esb.

I don't know anything about the company or anything about Airelectricity (spelling) but that seems promising.

Did anybody switch over to this?

If everyone switched over in protest and in spite of esb, airelectricy will be doing great. Prices will drop, surely? Not only that but we may get another benefit - collasping the state company that is esb that is over inflated.

Like here in galway, we have something called GoBus, a fantastic bus service from galway to dublin will brillant cheap prices. A single ticket from galway to dublin is 10 euro. Yet 10 euro with bus eireann won't get you very far. It will get you from Galway city to Clarinbridge or Galway to Moycullen, at a guess.

States companys are scandalous.

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 11:20PM

darkhorse wrote: »

Agreed. Also, there will be hundreds of thousands of people who just cannot afford it. One of the biggest impacts of this upcoming(unjust) tax, as I, and many others have said, is that it is going to criminalize so many people, who, otherwise may never have had a brush with the law in their entire lives. The government, of course, know this, and it don't even seem to be an issue with them.

It's going to push so many people into so much trouble. There's water charges also.

Maudi · 09-03-2013 11:22PM

Geuze wrote: »

Our fuel taxes are not the highest in the EU, no.

Our social insurance is quite low.

Overall, our taxes are below average, or close to the average, across the EU.

geuze plant ignore

mfceiling · 09-03-2013 11:22PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Just in relation to electricity prices, I had a man coming to my door from Airelectricity (spelling) promoting their service and saying that their service cheaper than the esb.

I don't know anything about the company or anything about Airelectricity (spelling) but that seems promising.

Did anybody switch over to this?

If everyone switched over in protest and in spite of esb, airelectricy will be doing great. Prices will drop, surely? Not only that but we may get another benefit - collasping the state company that is esb that is over inflated.

Like here in galway, we have something called GoBus, a fantastic bus service from galway to dublin will brillant cheap prices. A single ticket from galway to dublin is 10 euro. Yet 10 euro with bus eireann won't get you very far. It will get you from Galway city to Clarinbridge or Galway to Moycullen, at a guess.

States companys are scandalous.

I switched a few years ago but switched again as they were a disaster. Took gas and electric combined with them under direct debit. Got a call from them some months later telling me that they'd "forgot" to charge me for gas and would I like to pay them nearly 1000 for their mistake. Avoid.

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 11:26PM

Do you our government doesn't have an ounce of compassion. So many people are in fear of their future's and the government can't even issue some reassurance and positivity that things will be well. Just using threats.

Something else is that each and every single one of them in government needs to lead by example - slashing their own incomes in half as an example. There's only one politician that I read about that's doing this and he's Luke Ming F. He's pumping his income back into roscommon.

seamus · 09-03-2013 11:28PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Where in the article does it say anyone is being brought to court?

Here's proof of that;

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/first-cases-go-ahead-for-unpaid-household-charge-29116918.html

The wheels have come off the anti-HHC bus

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 11:29PM

mfceiling wrote: »

I switched a few years ago but switched again as they were a disaster. Took gas and electric combined with them under direct debit. Got a call from them some months later telling me that they'd "forgot" to charge me for gas and would I like to pay them nearly 1000 for their mistake. Avoid.

Fcuk man! My great idea for a protest of sorts isn't all that great after all. Thanks for giving the warning.

Geuze · 09-03-2013 11:31PM

Maudi wrote: »

geuze plant ignore

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/product_details/publication?p_product_code=KS-SF-12-055

Ms2011 · 09-03-2013 11:33PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I don't know anything about the company or anything about Airelectricity (spelling) but that seems promising.

Did anybody switch over to this?

Yep I did, so far so good, but I regularly switch to whoever will give me the best deal.

Banjo String · 09-03-2013 11:34PM

seamus wrote: »

Here's proof of that;

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/first-cases-go-ahead-for-unpaid-household-charge-29116918.html

Seamus, that case was well publicised.
You said their were cases appearing quietly.

Also, Mr Keegan (a landlord with multiple properties), what was the final outcome on that one?

seamus wrote: »

The wheels have come off the anti-HHC bus

The bus ceased to exist since Jan 1st this year old bean.

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 11:35PM

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Didn't bullsh*tter kenny say when coming into power he would do away with the kwangos or something to that effect.

Where are we now? On the HHC thread ( when it wass open) I recall there were still something like 450-500 alive and draining the system at the last count.

On the options for opposition, I wish Róisín Shortall would start a party, the other options leave me full of apprehension.

Someone help us please, because we sure as hell don't have politicians who can!!!

How about setting up some sort of a boards.ie group. There are so many great people here on boards with some good credible ideas. Two such people I can think of are Sunflower and BlindJustice who post a lot in the slaveship thread.

Geuze · 09-03-2013 11:36PM

PNG image of tax revenues across the EU attached.

the groutch · 09-03-2013 11:54PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

A billion is a million million.

I see that free education the state gave you was money well spent

ilovesleep · 10-03-2013 12:03AM

the groutch wrote: »

I see that free education the state gave you was money well spent

I never did sums or maths using billions. I used lollipop sticks in baby and juniour infants and then went on to use my fingers in first class. Then it was money sums and reading clocks and shapes and sizes before moving onto multiplication and division and long division and things like that. Then in secondary school, it was algebra and other more completed stuff but nowhere did I deal with billions in school. Did I miss something along the way?

By the looks of it, the muinteorí in the dail didn't do much sums with billions, either, until they went dossing in the Dáil and the sh1t hit the fan on them.

The pay packets of the monkies in the Dáil is money well spent too, what do you think?

Lone Stone · 10-03-2013 12:26AM

i pay the homer tax

Le_Dieux · 10-03-2013 12:29AM

mfceiling wrote: »

I switched a few years ago but switched again as they were a disaster. Took gas and electric combined with them under direct debit. Got a call from them some months later telling me that they'd "forgot" to charge me for gas and would I like to pay them nearly 1000 for their mistake. Avoid.

Are we talking about airtricity? Or is aireletricity a wholly new company?

Wibbs · 10-03-2013 12:29AM

darkhorse wrote: »

Do you think that one solution could possibly be Direct Democracy, Wibbs.

I preface this with a warning/excuse as I've had a few ales supplied by a good mate of mine and it's been a while so I;m having to really concentrate on my typing...

:)

Maybe your idea has merit DH, but like I said, I'm adrift here. No clue. Even less than usual, which is usually close enough to absolute zero to be fair. Better heads are most definitely needed. I reckon a bit of a standback, objective look at where we are might be a start. A new look at what is real value rather than "worth". A step back from the precipice of money is a commodity like any other. Yes it most certainly is, however I think we lost the run of ourselves on that score. A bit of Tulip mania with currency went on. It began to be it's own end rather than a means of rewarding real world "stuff" that people atually produced.. It got real abstract. Like I referred to earlier, folks living millionaire lifetstyles on average Joe and Jane money. Great for those betting agin or for the abstraction, but shíte for the rest of us who weren;t.

I say we need to beat the Chinese and the Indians at ther own game and they have it dead right. Produce things that have real and concrete world value and get rewarded that way. Abstract economics is like abstract art, some real insight crops up and is wlecomed, but it's mostly WTF to most of us and most of us like an oul Turner landscape. Or something...

Apologies folks it's been a while since I had this much ale so I beg your indulgence, as I do on an all too regular basis while sober.

:) Move along, nothin to see here.

Man I know I'm gonna regert this in the morrow.

squod · 10-03-2013 12:31AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Just in relation to electricity prices, I had a man coming to my door from Airelectricity (spelling) promoting their service and saying that their service cheaper than the esb.

I don't know anything about the company or anything about Airelectricity (spelling) but that seems promising.

Did anybody switch over to this?

If everyone switched over in protest and in spite of esb, airelectricy will be doing great. Prices will drop, surely? Not only that but we may get another benefit - collasping the state company that is esb that is over inflated.

Like here in galway, we have something called GoBus, a fantastic bus service from galway to dublin will brillant cheap prices. A single ticket from galway to dublin is 10 euro. Yet 10 euro with bus eireann won't get you very far. It will get you from Galway city to Clarinbridge or Galway to Moycullen, at a guess.

States companys are scandalous.

Nearly threw some young fella out of my garden selling for them the other day. You would not believe what I had to go through with them. Blacklisted, forever.

losthorizon · 10-03-2013 12:34AM

I have every intention of paying this tax. IMO one off housing should actually be taxed at a higher level. Thats my gripe.

Pretzill · 10-03-2013 12:34AM

I reside in a rural area and have paid water bills for years it's a resource I am happy to pay for, believe it or not water on tap is a luxury clean + reliable. Property tax offers no return it's an intangible tax that leaves a bitter taste, it harks to landlordism and money for others regardless of what the gov schills will protest here. I have bigger yearly bills house insurance for one - but will i lapse the insurance to pay for this? Some may - I am sick of the bullying by this government - hope I'm not alone. Death & taxes - certain but both can be swerved albeit temporarily

squod · 10-03-2013 12:35AM

the groutch wrote: »

I see that free education the state gave you was money well spent

In British English, a billion used to be equivalent to a million million (i.e. 1,000,000,000,000), while in American English it has always equated to a thousand million (i.e. 1,000,000,000). British English has now adopted the American figure, though, so that a billion equals a thousand million in both varieties of English.

The same sort of change has taken place with the meaning of trillion. In British English, a trillion used to mean a million million million (i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000). Nowadays, it's generally held to be equivalent to a million million (1,000,000,000,000), as it is in American English.

History?

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