revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

the purple tin · 09-03-2013 12:21PM

Screw you, Feehily. You'll never take me alive!

signed - Mick

cheapy2006 · 09-03-2013 12:24PM

sad thing is there's more than likely gonna be thousands in line to pay this criminal charge, all pointing at you and calling you a criminal.
that's how low we've sunk in this country, and how much more dearly we hold the interests of the gombeen than we do the generations to come.
as my da always says-"We're a bastard nation!"

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 12:32PM

cheapy2006 wrote: »

sad thing is there's more than likely gonna be thousands in line to pay this criminal charge, all pointing at you and calling you a criminal.
that's how low we've sunk in this country, and how much more dearly we hold the interests of the gombeen than we do the generations to come.
as my da always says-"We're a bastard nation!"

All those looking down on those who can't or won't pay it for whatever purpose/reason will be coming from comfortable positions.

Your dad is right. He sounds cool.

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 12:43PM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

The scary thing is we are reducing the deficeit but still a long way off.
Dont be fooled. Could be a lot more taxes introduced over the next few years.

That's it. We're still something like 12 billion in deficit.

A billion is a million million.

We're no where near closing this gap nor will we ever be.

Closing this gap would involve slashing social welfare in half and the pay of public workers also.

professore · 09-03-2013 12:48PM

sfwcork wrote: »

Its quite funny how yesterday when she was on the radio she was saying how fast they will turn it all around

When I rang them 3 wks ago to tell them they owe me cash I had to send off email proof..when then takes 6-8 weeks to be seen and then further time to be acted upon

If you're a business try missing a vat payment - bailiffs letter sent a week later.

seamus · 09-03-2013 12:53PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

A billion is a million million.

A thousand million.

professore · 09-03-2013 12:55PM

SamHall wrote: »

How you reckon it would be fairer is beyond me.

Hard to believe their are many in Ireland without a TV/radio in their homes.

I know a pensioner (relation of mine) whose daily news and entertainment come from the newspaper he buys each day. Or the farmers journal he gets from time to time.

Should he pay this broadcasting charge too?

Yes

Celly Smunt · 09-03-2013 12:56PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

That's it. We're still something like 12 billion in deficit.

A billion is a million million.

A billion is a thousand million in Ireland.

spank_inferno · 09-03-2013 12:56PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

A billion is a million million.

Just to advise, that is the "old billion"

1 Billion as we use it today is 1 Thousand Million.

So, give or take, the government are 12 thousand million in defecit year on year.

And that is aside from any monies given to banks.

The fact that the crazies here are oblivious to this 12 billion gap is irresponsible and frankly stupid.

Wicklowrider · 09-03-2013 01:24PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Our patriot dead must be rolling in their graves.

Is that what Michael Collins beat Oliver Cromwell at the Battle of Clontarf for?

Do you wear huge shoes and have a painted on smile and red nose? That is how you come across in your posts.

frfintanstack · 09-03-2013 01:34PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

That's it. We're still something like 12 billion in deficit.

A billion is a million million.

We're no where near closing this gap nor will we ever be.

Closing this gap would involve slashing social welfare in half and the pay of public workers also.

amazing analysis.

according to your statement we are borrowing 2.6million per person!!!

about as good as the rest of your "analysis" :rolleyes:

mccarthy37 · 09-03-2013 02:14PM

Wibbs wrote: »

If we can pay "a bit more" G. It's a big if. Many thousands of people out there quite simply can't. With some the money is very tight and they just about have their heads above water, but this(and coming charges) will drown them. Others are already drowning. Actually and consistently broke and no amount of MABS help can fix it as the money is quite simply not there. You can't take trousers off a bare arse.

I know too many families in these kind of situations. And these people weren't profligate nutjobs in the "boom" either. Ordinary "lower middle class" folks many with kids and they're in real trouble. One woman I know actually said to me that she often thinks what if her or her husband died, because then the kids and the surviving partner would be OK because of the insurance payout. This was said quite matter of fact and TBH it chilled me that some are thinking like that.

Now sure there are people who were living like millionaires on ordinary salaries and "cheap" credit and now the piper is looking to be paid. I know a couple of those and those I have far less sympathy for. However the banking/financial checks and balances that should have been in play failed them and the rest of us. They gave people this money when it should have been clear to Stevie fcuking Wonder that they had no hope of paying the loans back. That's before we look at the developers etc who were doing the same with billions. I'm sure the financial regulator(s) involved are still in jobs or on nice pensions thanks very much, but those they let down, actually fcuk let down, those they betrayed are feeling the pinch.

Which will just increase wealth flight out of the country at those higher values.

I don't have any solutions. I'm plain outa ideas TBH, but surely there is a better way, because - and I'm really not trying to be dramatic here - I can see real social and personal problems coming down the line. I already know of two middle aged men who have hung themselves over the pressure and I can't see it getting any better.

You say you don't have any solutions but I will say this how well you have explained the plight of so many of the ordinary people of Ireland. This post should be read by every politician in this country. This present government are so out of touch with those said people it beggar's belief.
You are bang on when you say the money is not there. As it is this country is crippled in taxes, I could insure and tax my car in England for the cost of what I pay in taxing it here for. Work is really drying up because people cant afford home improvements and anyway what incentive is there now to extend or renovate your house when you will be penalized in more taxes. Building material in some cases are one third cheaper in England than Ireland and all we hear from government circles is that things are improving. Sometime's when one of Enda's henchmen come on the Tele to threaten or boast how our lot is improving I feel like sticking my boot through the Tele but I cant afford to.
Here's something else I could not believe I was hearing Michael Noonan in the Dail saying if they have Sky television they can afford property tax and then he went on to cut the ground from under Sky saying it was basically rubbish. Now I wonder how many are employed by Sky in Ireland did it not occur to him if everybody discontinue there account how many more will that throw on the dole. I don't have Sky by the way as I cant afford it at present.

Wibbs · 09-03-2013 02:28PM

mccarthy37 wrote: »

Work is really drying up because people cant afford home improvements and anyway what incentive is there now to extend or renovate your house when you will be penalized in more taxes.

Similar situation to a bloody good mate of mine. It looked like he had a full enough January, but jobs have pretty much all been cancelled with all the talk of this tax(this was the reason given when a reason was forthcoming). It's hitting other areas too as people start to think they could be hit for 3-4-500 quid this year and double that next and with a water charge on top.

dirtyden · 09-03-2013 02:41PM

There is a danger that we could regress to the state this country was in for much of the 80s, where the lack of growth and high taxation crippled the country for a decade. Things are bad but they could get worse. The country needs a stimulus to go along with taxation but i am not sure this government have the backbone/innovation to lead that.

drdeadlift · 09-03-2013 03:51PM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

The homeowners have already been identified. 1.6 million of us. The letter and the form to complete will be arriving to your door addressed personally to you sam hall, 123 dunmoving street ballygobackwards, in the next 4 weeks. If you do not respond to the letter in the given time, Revenue will proceed to put a charge against your house for the amount of the estimate they give you. they will simply access your wages or your company accounts or your DSP payments and take the money, plus a penalty.
There will be no appeals and no correspondence of any kind. There will be no negotiations entered into or discretion used.
Anyone who has ever dealt with revenue will tell you that this is how they operate.

This is a perfect case of TRYING to tax your way out of a recession,i feel for anyone working in revenue,**** will begin to get personal between civilians once the dollars in their pockets really begin to dwindle..

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 04:11PM

seamus wrote: »

A thousand million.

Cheers for clearing that up. I was in a fit thinking where are they going to find a million million by 12 or 14.

Le_Dieux · 09-03-2013 05:11PM

bastados wrote: »

"The revolution is coming" - Deputy Joe Higgins

Joe who? He's no better than the rest of them, be a TD for 5 years and then he's on a good earner for life.

FFS, the entire system is wrong. Joe Higgins should rather STF up!!!

Le_Dieux · 09-03-2013 05:12PM

drdeadlift wrote: »

This is a perfect case of TRYING to tax your way out of a recession,i feel for anyone working in revenue,**** will begin to get personal between civilians once the dollars in their pockets really begin to dwindle..

And remember, there is still the water charge coming down the 'road'.:mad:

tcsystems · 09-03-2013 05:47PM

Would some of the sheep in this country look in their pockets.
we get fleeced before we get paid.
Then we pay 23% OF ANY REMAINING MONEY OVER LIKE SHEEP as vat.
We get hammered for a carbon tax on heating bills.car tax.
And if you have any money left at all then there is the soon to be property tax.
After that there will be water rates. and vat on that too.
Lets not forget the tv licence. Its the law.
Would it not be easier for the Sheep of ireland to simply work for food stamps and let the goverment. The bankers and the troika take all the money.
Work it out.
If you are lucky enough to have a job. Any job thats worth keeping.
Say you get 1000 a week gross live in dublin, own a car and have a modest house, semi detached at 300 to 350k
Tax/ social contributions etc take home 550 if you are lucky
You buy food for your family 150 to 200 per week. vat 46 tax take so far 496.
Modest car fiesta. car tax 7 euro a week tax so far. 503.
You need clothes /shoes petrol. god forbid a beer. 150 spent tax so far.536
You need to visit the dentist or doctor . forget that.
Car payments 50 euro tax so far 547.
Mortgage 200 a week. vat is it charged.
now your property tax at average 400 to 600 per house. 10 per week tax 557 so far.
water rates.
heating 50 per week . vat 11 plus 5 carbon tax tax so far 573.
Where does it end.
look in your pockets sheep. look deep and if we dont soon wake up the its the law mantra will soon have all of the people of this land slaves again.

Le_Dieux · 09-03-2013 05:49PM

seamus wrote: »

You'll be waiting. There is nobody at the moment who will scrap the property tax if they get elected. They'll see the financial figures and quietly just leave the property tax there.

Hmmm, I wonder. I heard yesterday on the radio that car sales were dramatically down this year compared to last year ( I have no proof, only what I heard on the radio). This means that VAT intake from the sale of cars has dropped. The item on the radio speculated that it might have something to do with 2013. For me, it's because of people have zipped up their pockets and are spending SFA as they are scared over this upcoming 'tax'.

Are the govt too fcuking stupid not to realise what they will gain from this PT will be more than offset by a drop off elsewhere?

Of course, they don't give a shít as their pensions will still be there in 2 years for them.

Le_Dieux · 09-03-2013 05:54PM

seamus wrote: »

The figure stands at around 470,000 now, many of whom are being quietly brought to court, but the HHC was designed with this in mind, so the charge will remain on all of these properties until they are sold.
That's not the moral high road. You'd be no better than someone claiming disability benefit when they're fully able, i.e. just another leech.

PROOF please!!

FYI, I am one of those who haven't paid. Nor have I received ONE 'reminder' or correspondance over the non payment.

ilovesleep · 09-03-2013 06:25PM

dirtyden wrote: »

There is a danger that we could regress to the state this country was in for much of the 80s, where the lack of growth and high taxation crippled the country for a decade. Things are bad but they could get worse. The country needs a stimulus to go along with taxation but i am not sure this government have the backbone/innovation to lead that.

For so many people, we are back in the 80s and there so many people doing well, they are deluded into thinking that we're not here already.

In relation to the stimulus package, that's needed for many countries across europe and not just Ireland.

Cantona's Collars · 09-03-2013 06:40PM

FG blamed FF for getting us into this mess & told us they'd do the opposite to what went before but now are blaming the Troika for these taxes even though the Troika didn't actually tell them to impose all these charges,they were just a recommendation if things weren't improving on the countries repayments.We are meeting these yet FG are imposing taxes on those who can't afford to pay.

Dragging the country back 20 to 30 years is all this government are achieving.It's like Robin Hood with the Sheriff piling on tax after tax but we have nobody to get it back from the rich.

What of those stupid enough to have paid the HHC,will this be accounted for when the Revenue send out their letters or will they be hit with a double whammy of charges,nobody in Government mentioned this.

Bullseye1 · 09-03-2013 06:54PM

FF got us into the mess but both Labour and FG did nothing while in opposition to highlight the issues which have brought the country to its knees. Many of their TDs were sitting on committes and quangos. I don't see how they can sit on their high horse. In fact they are both responsible for finishing the country off. It's a pity the opposition consist of FFail and the communist part that is SF.

bgrizzley · 09-03-2013 07:14PM

Of course one may just pay this tax now that ones grounds have been exempted wot wot wot...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/29/article-2093318-1180FD4E000005DC-845_468x286.jpg

Le_Dieux · 09-03-2013 08:10PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

FF got us into the mess but both Labour and FG did nothing while in opposition to highlight the issues which have brought the country to its knees. Many of their TDs were sitting on committes and quangos. I don't see how they can sit on their high horse. In fact they are both responsible for finishing the country off. It's a pity the opposition consist of FFail and the communist part that is SF.

Didn't bullsh*tter kenny say when coming into power he would do away with the kwangos or something to that effect.

Where are we now? On the HHC thread ( when it wass open) I recall there were still something like 450-500 alive and draining the system at the last count.

On the options for opposition, I wish Róisín Shortall would start a party, the other options leave me full of apprehension.

Someone help us please, because we sure as hell don't have politicians who can!!!

seamus · 09-03-2013 08:20PM

Le_Dieux wrote: »

PROOF please!!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-still-owed-47m-in-household-charge-fees-584267.html

Mr. teddywinkles · 09-03-2013 08:29PM

tcsystems wrote: »

Would some of the sheep in this country look in their pockets.
we get fleeced before we get paid.
Then we pay 23% OF ANY REMAINING MONEY OVER LIKE SHEEP as vat.
We get hammered for a carbon tax on heating bills.car tax.
And if you have any money left at all then there is the soon to be property tax.
After that there will be water rates. and vat on that too.
Lets not forget the tv licence. Its the law.
Would it not be easier for the Sheep of ireland to simply work for food stamps and let the goverment. The bankers and the troika take all the money.
Work it out.
If you are lucky enough to have a job. Any job thats worth keeping.
Say you get 1000 a week gross live in dublin, own a car and have a modest house, semi detached at 300 to 350k
Tax/ social contributions etc take home 550 if you are lucky
You buy food for your family 150 to 200 per week. vat 46 tax take so far 496.
Modest car fiesta. car tax 7 euro a week tax so far. 503.
You need clothes /shoes petrol. god forbid a beer. 150 spent tax so far.536
You need to visit the dentist or doctor . forget that.
Car payments 50 euro tax so far 547.
Mortgage 200 a week. vat is it charged.
now your property tax at average 400 to 600 per house. 10 per week tax 557 so far.
water rates.
heating 50 per week . vat 11 plus 5 carbon tax tax so far 573.
Where does it end.
look in your pockets sheep. look deep and if we dont soon wake up the its the law mantra will soon have all of the people of this land slaves again.

Listening to radio other day maintaining we pay the highest tax on our fuel in the world. True or not, seems excessive enough to be true. Roads seem to be getting more perferated too.
Im not advocating any milatant action or riots here but it does annoy me that we seem to take it and not voice our concerns more in this country and let our government and europe know we are a disgruntled nation not all responsible for the shady dealings and policies of the past decade or two.

Fr_Dougal · 09-03-2013 08:40PM

seamus wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-still-owed-47m-in-household-charge-fees-584267.html

Where in the article does it say anyone is being brought to court?

Geuze · 09-03-2013 09:31PM

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Listening to radio other day maintaining we pay the highest tax on our fuel in the world. True or not, seems excessive enough to be true.

Our fuel taxes are not the highest in the EU, no.

Our social insurance is quite low.

Overall, our taxes are below average, or close to the average, across the EU.

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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