People who drive at 80kph on good 100kph National roads

CiniO · 08-03-2013 10:41PM

Lawless2k12 wrote: »

Ah gway we've all seen it! But no one can say it was illegal as it was on the Autobahn so technically you were entitled to do so... but don't deny it. I distinctly remember an argument about it on another page and you admitted it was you on video. Nothing illegal, but it was you at the end of the day.

I lookep up again on this particular thread to see it.
Someone asked me:

Can I see the 200kmh clip. Very interested how someone can justify 200kmh.

I just put the random video of someone doing 200km/h, but I never said it was my video or that was me on the video.

I admit, I've driven in similar way many times, and it was actually quite fun, but this wasn't my video and I never said it was mine.

CiniO · 08-03-2013 10:43PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

It is illegal to drive on the hard shoulder, try it sometime when the squad car is behind you.

No, it isn't.
Only exception is motorway, where indeed it's illegal.

If you really believe it is illegal on regular national or regional roads, please provide a proof.

jimbomalley · 08-03-2013 10:43PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

It is illegal to drive on the hard shoulder, try it sometime when the squad car is behind you.

Yes it is but it isnt illegal to pull in when its safe to do so to allow traffic to overtake. The rule was quoted earlier in the thread by someone

dh0011 · 08-03-2013 10:49PM

From the bottom of p60 of the rules of the road which are available on www.rotr.ie

This road contains a hard shoulder,
which is normally only for
pedestrians and cyclists.
If a driver wants to allow a vehicle
behind them to overtake, they may
pull in to the hard shoulder briefly as
long as no pedestrians or cyclists are
already using it and no junctions or
entrances are nearby.
Different rules exist for hard
shoulders on motorways. See
Section 11 for details

Can I say to those who are saying otherwise that they need to learn the rules of the road before they start telling others things which are incorrect. Also anyone who doesn't know what a hard shoulder is for shouldn't be allowed drive on our roads.

Busted Flat. · 08-03-2013 10:50PM

jimbomalley wrote: »

Yes it is but it isnt illegal to pull in when its safe to do so to allow traffic to overtake. The rule was quoted earlier in the thread by someone

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=Rules+of+the+road%2Eie&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.erneschoolofmotoring.com%2Fdrivingtestquestions.html&ei=Q1w6UdCDGKXD7AaQsoDwBA&usg=AFQjCNGaYezc1oa_6oi1g1r0eGop2NP-iw

Q17. What is the hard shoulder used for?

Ans. Emergencies, breakdowns, pedestrians and cyclists.

Cash is king · 08-03-2013 10:50PM

CiniO wrote: »

No, it isn't.
Only exception is motorway, where indeed it's illegal.

If you really believe it is illegal on regular national or regional roads, please provide a proof.

You are 100% correct here.

I encounter this all the time and I never mind trucks as they are limited and probably loaded but idiots in good cars doing it is beyond belief!! I even see it between Shannon and limerick cars moping along at 70km/ph..

mikehammer67 · 08-03-2013 10:52PM

the only 'moron' in this debate is the op

there's no law says you have to max out the speed limit cos some people are in a hurry

Crasp · 08-03-2013 10:53PM

People are entitled to drive at whatever speed they want, within the rules of the road... This includes people who actually want to do 100 in a 100 zone, or 80 in an 80 zone etc...

Some people drive off GPS speed rather than indicated speed.. Just cos you're plodding along at an indicated 100 doesn't mean the person going faster than you is speeding, necessarily..

I've no problem with someone who wants to drive at 80 in a 100 zone... but it doesn't mean that everyone else has to. Please kindly pull over, let faster cars past, and continue on your way. It's only polite.

What is equally impolite is people tailgating just because the car in front is going slower than they would like.

Lawless2k12 · 08-03-2013 10:53PM

CiniO wrote: »

No, it isn't.
Only exception is motorway, where indeed it's illegal.

If you really believe it is illegal on regular national or regional roads, please provide a proof.

I believe it was you. Someone stated to you:

he proudly boasted how his "only option" was to drive for 5 minutes at 200kph

You replied:

Because it was the only reasonable option.

I'm not here to argue. I'm just saying that I'm certain you were driving IMO. You say it wasn't you in your videos quite a bit but your stories are quite shady. I don't actually know why you'd be against owning up to this video considering you didn't actually do anything wrong. That's German driving... Obviously it would be illegal here but it's fine over there.

Crasp · 08-03-2013 10:54PM

mikehammer67 wrote: »

there's no law says you have to max out the speed limit cos some people are in a hurry

You're correct. It's only courteous and polite to move over and let faster cars pass, though.

CiniO · 08-03-2013 10:56PM

dh0011 wrote: »

. Also anyone who doesn't know what a hard shoulder is for shouldn't be allowed drive on our roads.

It is indeed mentioned in ROTR what hard shoulder is for.
But as it's not regulated in any law, in practice hard shoulder car be used for virtually anything by anyone.
Road traffic regulations, define the yellow broken line as the one signing the edge of the roadway.
What's outside of this line (hard shoulder), so generally what's outside of the roadway is not defined or mentioned in any road traffic law.

It's different to UK, as AFAIK in there it's illegal to drive a vehicle on hard shoulder, even to let someone overtake.

Sesshoumaru · 08-03-2013 10:57PM

Atominist wrote: »

On good National roads, with nice wide hard shoulders, with 100kph speed limits, in all weather conditions, and all times of day, I always encounter people driving at 80kph.

My question is... Why?

Why do you Morons do it?

What do you hope to accomplish? Are you trying to save money on fuel?

Why won't you get out of my way when you see me coming up behind you? You just sit there holding everyone up causing tailbacks! :mad:

I drive at the speed limit, if I see some behind me I pull over (if safe to do so). You are dangerous drivers, forcing people to overtake you!

Please tell me your reasons.

Good luck trying to change the behavior of a very large number of drivers out there. Having your progress hindered by other drivers is just a simple fact of car driving. You need to learn how to deal with your emotions in a more mature way.

jimbomalley · 08-03-2013 11:00PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=Rules+of+the+road%2Eie&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.erneschoolofmotoring.com%2Fdrivingtestquestions.html&ei=Q1w6UdCDGKXD7AaQsoDwBA&usg=AFQjCNGaYezc1oa_6oi1g1r0eGop2NP-iw

Q17. What is the hard shoulder used for?

Ans. Emergencies, breakdowns, pedestrians and cyclists.

Thats not a rule busted flat. The actual rule has now been quoted twice in this thread, last time above you post

challengemaster · 08-03-2013 11:03PM

CiniO wrote: »

It is indeed mentioned in ROTR what hard shoulder is for.
But as it's not regulated in any law

Agreed.

People forget the ROTR is an interpretation of the Road Traffic Act in layman's. It is not the word of the law, nor should it be taken as law. A lot of things in ROTR are opinions not written into law.

If you want to know the law, look up the Road Traffic Act

CiniO · 08-03-2013 11:06PM

Lawless2k12 wrote: »

I believe it was you. Someone stated to you:

You replied:

I'm not here to argue. I'm just saying that I'm certain you were driving IMO. You say it wasn't you in your videos quite a bit but your stories are quite shady. I don't actually know why you'd be against owning up to this video considering you didn't actually do anything wrong. That's German driving... Obviously it would be illegal here but it's fine over there.

Lawless, you got lost in all this a bit.
Conversation about 200km/h on motorway was related to what I said in yet another thread about someone tailgating very dangerously with transit van on motorway in Ireland while I was doing legal speed. Indeed I accelerated to loose him, and I admited to it here. That's where someone pulled off this argument.

However the video from German autobahn you mentioned, while was linked here by myself, is just random youtube video - it's not mine - it's completely random.

And yet there was another video, which was on my youtube profile, which was showing a person I know who was driving in Mayo, and someone just linked it up here saying it was me. That's where all the confusion came from. This particular video had an incident of crossing the continuous white line, and braking the stop sign, and I never actually planned on putting it publically on youtube, but for some reason mistakenly I did. Someone just exploited it.
Anyway - as I said many times here - that video didn't show me driving, so I can't understand why people are insinuating that it was.

If you are really that interested, you can always PM me with any on youtube videos from my profile, and I'll be more than happy to explain where it was, and who it was.

GreeBo · 08-03-2013 11:08PM

Fozzie Bear wrote: »

forcing me to brake or flash the lights at them to speed up in front of me.

I assume this is a troll?

"forcing" you to flash your lights to speed them up?
Are you insane? Why should anyone speed up just because *you* want them to go faster?
Who on earth are *you* to make anyone on the road to anything just because you want it?

Can I equally flash at you to slow down?

Lawless2k12 · 08-03-2013 11:09PM

Letting someone past is definitely not against the law. So far I've let 3 squad cars pass by pulling in on hard shoulder and letting them past (Although 1 did pull me over because he thought I was trying to avoid him

)

Reg'stoy · 08-03-2013 11:10PM

Atominist wrote: »

On good National roads, with nice wide hard shoulders, with 100kph speed limits, in all weather conditions, and all times of day, I always encounter people driving at 80kph.

My question is... Why?

Why do you Morons do it?

What do you hope to accomplish? Are you trying to save money on fuel?

Why won't you get out of my way when you see me coming up behind you? You just sit there holding everyone up causing tailbacks! :mad:

I drive at the speed limit, if I see some behind me I pull over (if safe to do so). You are dangerous drivers, forcing people to overtake you!

Please tell me your reasons.

CiniO · 08-03-2013 11:11PM

Lawless2k12 wrote: »

Letting someone past is definitely not against the law. So far I've let 3 squad cars pass by pulling in on hard shoulder and letting them past (Although 1 did pull me over because he thought I was trying to avoid him )

Were they flashing blue lights?

Lawless2k12 · 08-03-2013 11:15PM

CiniO wrote: »

Lawless, you got lost in all this a bit.

Ooohhh... I stand corrected... not going to comment on the other bit where you say you 200 on an Irish motorway as you got enough sh!t elsewhere about that

I knew the Mayo vid you refer to wasn't you alright, and the dangerous Beetle overtake was you. I was certain the autobahn driver was you as well seeing as ye were talking about doing 200kmh. Bad coincidence I guess

Lawless2k12 · 08-03-2013 11:18PM

CiniO wrote: »

Were they flashing blue lights?

Only the one that decided to pull me over :P
I was doing 80 at one of the times as I'd lost 5th gear so I was only holding them up tbf so I said I best leave them past. The other two times they just caught up to me so I was just letting them pass which is when one of them pulled me over

corcaigh07 · 08-03-2013 11:26PM

I'm terrified to see just how many people don't understand the hard shoulder, its a very simple rule.

How long before someone says they were going fast in the 'fast lane'

wexie · 08-03-2013 11:30PM

corcaigh07 wrote: »

I'm terrified to see just how many people don't understand the hard shoulder, its a very simple rule.

How long before someone says they were going fast in the 'fast lane'

considering many people don't seem to understand dipped lights and highbeams you're not surprised are you?

At least these folk make sure there's still a good market for shoes that close with velcro.

dh0011 · 09-03-2013 04:21AM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=Rules+of+the+road%2Eie&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.erneschoolofmotoring.com%2Fdrivingtestquestions.html&ei=Q1w6UdCDGKXD7AaQsoDwBA&usg=AFQjCNGaYezc1oa_6oi1g1r0eGop2NP-iw

Q17. What is the hard shoulder used for?

Ans. Emergencies, breakdowns, pedestrians and cyclists.

The actual rule has been quoted twice now. I suggest you read the rules of the road before you get into a car again.

foggy_lad · 09-03-2013 04:37AM

Atominist wrote: »

On good National roads, with nice wide hard shoulders, with 100kph speed limits, in all weather conditions, and all times of day, I always encounter people driving at 80kph.

My question is... Why?

Why do you Morons do it?

What do you hope to accomplish? Are you trying to save money on fuel?

Why won't you get out of my way when you see me coming up behind you? You just sit there holding everyone up causing tailbacks! :mad:

I drive at the speed limit, if I see some behind me I pull over (if safe to do so). You are dangerous drivers, forcing people to overtake you!

Please tell me your reasons.

How about all those drivers do it because they can, and because they will annoy so many morons who always want to go as fast as they legally can.

SV · 09-03-2013 07:05AM

Atominist wrote: »

On good National roads, with nice wide hard shoulders, with 100kph speed limits, in all weather conditions, and all times of day, I always encounter people driving at 80kph.

My question is... Why?

Why do you Morons do it?

What do you hope to accomplish? Are you trying to save money on fuel?

Why won't you get out of my way when you see me coming up behind you? You just sit there holding everyone up causing tailbacks! :mad:

I drive at the speed limit, if I see some behind me I pull over (if safe to do so). You are dangerous drivers, forcing people to overtake you!

Please tell me your reasons.

You're choosing to overtake, actually.
So if you're overtaking whilst it's dangerous to do so because you want to go that extra 20km/h more...then you're the dangerous driver.

btw, just because I think it's relevant..over say 20 miles the difference in time you'd save at driving at 80km/h and driving at 100km/h is just under 5 minutes.
If anyone is making any kinda significant fuel saving by driving at 80km/h then I'd say it's well worth it.

thecomedian · 09-03-2013 07:19AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Yes, when the limit is reduced in certain areas, built up areas, schools etc

Smartarse

Mc Love · 09-03-2013 07:30AM

Its the folk that tailgate when you are doing the speed limit and nearly in the car with you they are that close that are the dangerous ones.

freedominacup · 09-03-2013 08:08AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Its not a designated driving lane.

Slower moving traffic are under no obligation whatsoever to pull over into it to allow overtaking.

Are you sure? More than one farmer has been fined for "impeding the progress of other road users" by not pulling in/stopping to allow other traffic pass. It's the fundamental law of the rules of the road, concern for other road users and one of the fundamentals of that is to not do anything which impedes another road users progress. It's not up to you to dictate the speed of other road users. That said the driver most unlikely to hold you up in my experience is a truck driver.

I've sat in your seat also. I drove a small rigid for a few years for work and the most infuriating habit amongst car drivers of a certain type was tailgating because "they were trying to pass you" and when you pull in to allow to overtake they continue to sit there 5-6 feet from your tailgate with indicator on not making any attempt. I had a 5 second rule, if after 5 seconds no stir then my right indicator goes on and that joker can sit there for the next I don't care how many miles I won't be pulling in.

Conmaicne Mara · 09-03-2013 08:19AM

Mc Love wrote: »

Its the folk that tailgate when you are doing the speed limit and nearly in the car with you they are that close that are the dangerous ones.

Or the ones that over take you, then turn off a side road 400 yards down the road

People who drive at 80kph on good 100kph National roads

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