revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

dxhound2005 · 08-03-2013 01:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet they cant find a prosecute the 15% of houses evading the the TV license :pac:

The Revenue don't collect that. And unpaid licence fees aren't a charge on the title of a house.

sfwcork · 08-03-2013 01:58PM

Im not paying my TV license.Have yet to do so

dxhound2005 · 08-03-2013 02:01PM

sfwcork wrote: »

Im not paying my TV license.Have yet to do so

This is why the proposed Broadcasting Tax would be fairer. If it is collected by some system like the LPT evasion will be much more difficult and compliant people won't have to make up the shortfall caused by evasion. It is not a victimless crime.

sfwcork · 08-03-2013 02:04PM

the government cant even tell us where the broadcasting tax is going to

FFS the internet in this country is laughable.

Banjo String · 08-03-2013 02:05PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This is why the proposed Broadcasting Tax would be fairer. If it is collected by some system like the LPT evasion will be much more difficult and compliant people won't have to make up the shortfall caused by evasion. It is not a victimless crime.

How you reckon it would be fairer is beyond me.

Hard to believe their are many in Ireland without a TV/radio in their homes.

I know a pensioner (relation of mine) whose daily news and entertainment come from the newspaper he buys each day. Or the farmers journal he gets from time to time.

Should he pay this broadcasting charge too?

Sergeant · 08-03-2013 02:06PM

I awoke this morning to find someone had smashed the windows of my car, and kidnapped my cat, Bigglesworth. In the driver's seat of the car they had left a card with the initial RC printed on it, and a note saying, "Pay your taxes, or we'll break your legs with a golf club".

Is there no end to the absolute tyranny of this government?

lost marbles · 08-03-2013 02:17PM

Where To wrote: »

Nobody will be threatening me.

I pay my taxes.

dont you drive a taxi !

Mint Sauce · 08-03-2013 02:17PM

Am sure their will be people comparing this to the council tax in England, my self included. When that was first launched, there was protests, and people refusing to pay as well. Now its pretty much normal, councils came down hard with persecutions if it was not paid up.

Be thankful though its not the exact same as it. Once you live in the house, you pay it, weather you live there as the owner, or as a tenent.

seamus · 08-03-2013 02:18PM

"Break the law and there will be consequences"

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. HOW DARE THE GOVERNMENT THREATEN ME!

Where To · 08-03-2013 02:21PM

lost marbles wrote: »

dont you drive a taxi !

Sorry I should rephrase then;

My customers will pay my taxes.:pac:

Banjo String · 08-03-2013 02:26PM

seamus wrote: »

"Break the law and there will be consequences"

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. HOW DARE THE GOVERNMENT THREATEN ME!

This law is a sham law though.

It doesn't take stamp duty already paid into consideration, nor does it take individual circumstances/ability to pay into consideration.

It has the potential to turn many thousands of law abiding, tax compliant citizens into tax evading criminals, especially in people who are already struggling due to job loss or vast salary reductions.

I foresee FF (who, I'm by no means a fan of btw, but the most popular political party atm) scrapping this if they get into power again.

Let's face it, they'd do anything to be back in the driving seat again. They've already 'opposed' it, which probably helped to propel them in the opinion polls.

Hilly Bill · 08-03-2013 02:30PM

Its legalised mugging. I wouldnt mind if they done away with the USC and it covered the water charge .

seamus · 08-03-2013 02:32PM

SamHall wrote: »

This law is a sham law though.

In your opinion.

That doesn't make it any more of a "threat" than the "threat" than you will have your car taken for not paying motor tax or the "threat" that you will go to jail for selling drugs.

It's the law. You don't comply with the law, there are consequences. That's not a threat.

Teyla Emmagan · 08-03-2013 02:34PM

SamHall wrote: »

It has the potential to turn many thousands of law abiding, tax compliant citizens into tax evading criminals, especially in people who are already struggling due to job loss or vast salary reductions.

Don't assume that everyone else will turn to crime just because you're already planning it.

bastados · 08-03-2013 02:34PM

"The revolution is coming" - Deputy Joe Higgins

Banjo String · 08-03-2013 02:36PM

seamus wrote: »

In your opinion.

Which is shared by many, many thousands.

seamus wrote: »

That doesn't make it any more of a "threat" than the "threat" than you will have your car taken for not paying motor tax or the "threat" that you will go to jail for selling drugs.

It's the law. You don't comply with the law, there are consequences. That's not a threat.

Until the next party, wishing to get into govt promise to scrap both the tax, and penalties associated with it.

I'll hold out, thanks very much.

Maudi · 08-03-2013 02:38PM

SamHall wrote: »

Revenue have began to bare their teeth,and issue a threat to every eligible homeowner on the island that 'they'll get you'.

Let's hope there is anarchy on the streets!

I'll not be paying this, and if they forcibly take it from me, I'll have to resort to doing a lot of black market work to recoup it.

I own my house, I worked hard to provide it, payed all costs associated with building improvements to it, I have soley maintained it, and paid tens of thousands in stamp duty already on it.

In short, revenue can go and shíte. :mad:

I hope their are thousands beside me in the queue.

times coming...even if some of the 450.000 unemployed storm the dail and oust these cnuts then demand that we have a gov from brussells run us temporarily at top salary of 45.000 thou ..gets rid of the leeches in gov.that we dont need who are killing the country ..

seamus · 08-03-2013 02:42PM

SamHall wrote: »

Until the next party, wishing to get into govt promise to scrap both the tax, and penalties associated with it.

I'll hold out, thanks very much.

You'll be waiting. There is nobody at the moment who will scrap the property tax if they get elected. They'll see the financial figures and quietly just leave the property tax there.

Anyone · 08-03-2013 02:45PM

SamHall wrote: »

Which is shared by many, many thousands.

Until the next party, wishing to get into govt promise to scrap both the tax, and penalties associated with it.

I'll hold out, thanks very much.

How does that work if they take the money at source?

Sofiztikated · 08-03-2013 02:50PM

The next parties can promise all they want to remove them, when they see how much it brings in, do you honestly think they'll think, "D'ya know, we don't need all this money to pay back bills."

Sergeant · 08-03-2013 02:51PM

seamus wrote: »

You'll be waiting. There is nobody at the moment who will scrap the property tax if they get elected. They'll see the financial figures and quietly just leave the property tax there.

Unless those Magical Money trees that Michael Noonan planted in his back garden start to shed their rich bounty.

Banjo String · 08-03-2013 02:53PM

Anyone wrote: »

How does that work if they take the money at source?

How long of a process will that take them?

Possibly hundreds of thousands of homeowners will need to be identified, then bank accounts etc need to be associated with them?

We're not talking weeks I'd assume, prob a matter of years. (i could be wrong though)

I'll take my chances though.

Shane732 · 08-03-2013 02:56PM

SamHall wrote: »

How long of a process will that take them?

Possibly hundreds of thousands of homeowners will need to be identified, then bank accounts etc need to be associated with them?

We're not talking weeks I'd assume, prob a matter of years. (i could be wrong though)

I'll take my chances though.

It'll be coded on to your tax credit certificate and that'll be it.

Anyone · 08-03-2013 02:56PM

SamHall wrote: »

How long of a process will that take them?

Possibly hundreds of thousands of homeowners will need to be identified, then bank accounts etc need to be associated with them?

We're not talking weeks I'd assume, prob a matter of years. (i could be wrong though)

I'll take my chances though.

You are most definately wrong. The Revenue have details of your pps number, where you work, how much you earn. They can easily put a charge on your wages. If you are on the dole, then then can reduce that. If you are self employed it will go on your tax bill.

Ghost Buster · 08-03-2013 03:03PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Revenue issuing tax demands? How dare they!

Revenue inventing things to tax us walking ATM's on more like.

heyjude · 08-03-2013 03:03PM

A better question, than the one about what the revenue might do to force payment of this years' property tax, is what are the government going to do the enforce payment of last years property tax(household charge), which approx 600,000 households still have to pay and which is now almost a year overdue ? At the time, at various stages, they threatened jail, fines, charges on your property, deductions from your wages, pensions, social welfare payments etc and yet 11 months later, what has been done. I can't help feeling that those who paid will turn out to be mugs and that many of those who didn't pay last year, never will, and will face no consequences.

SamHall wrote: »

I foresee FF (who, I'm by no means a fan of btw, but the most popular political party atm) scrapping this if they get into power again.

Let's face it, they'd do anything to be back in the driving seat again. They've already 'opposed' it, which probably helped to propel them in the opinion polls.

Yep the irony of Fianna Fail opposing the property tax, which they committed the country to introducing, in their negotiations with the troika over the bailout. So it was their tax and yet now they oppose its introduction. And you wonder why people are cynical about politics in this country ? The worst thing is though, that the voters won't remember that the property tax was a Fianna Fail idea in the first place and that they agreed to its introduction when they were in power.

ilovesleep · 08-03-2013 03:06PM

This scares me.

One of our problems here in Ireland is a deficit. This happened because when the recession hit, credit dried up, many companies and establishments went to the wall, leading to unempolyment. This led to the tax base falling and a strain on governments expeniture.

If you look to the ukhe, our nearest neighbour, where it appears they've done many thing right with lower wages to encourage employment, higher taxes, higher social contributions, lower social welfare spending per head, lower public sector pay, a broadened tax base - well the uk have similar problems with a deficit and hight unemployment.

Spain has similar problems. Portugal and Italy too. I read about france. I dont know about their situation but money is dry there too and they are pretty fcuked.

This is a european problem and correcting the deficit problems are thrown onto the backs of individual countries who are in trouble and struggling. We'll all be chasing our tails in circles.

But also if you look to the USA, they too have similiar problems.

In my opinion, the past five years (we're in this five years now so far) is the start of a worldwide depression. A property tax in Ireland isn't going to fix this. Nor will the ridculous social welfare proposals happening in the uk fix it.

Banjo String · 08-03-2013 03:07PM

Anyone wrote: »

You are most definately wrong. The Revenue have details of your pps number, where you work, how much you earn. They can easily put a charge on your wages. If you are on the dole, then then can reduce that. If you are self employed it will go on your tax bill.

Simple as for me.

Forcibly take it, I'll resort to a lot of 'black market' jobs, the business I'm in involves a lot of cash transactions as payment.

It will be a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

seamus · 08-03-2013 03:07PM

heyjude wrote: »

what are the government going to do the enforce payment of last years property tax(household charge), which approx 600,000 households still have to pay and which is now almost a year overdue ?

The figure stands at around 470,000 now, many of whom are being quietly brought to court, but the HHC was designed with this in mind, so the charge will remain on all of these properties until they are sold.

Simple as for me.

Forcibly take it, I'll resort to a lot of 'black market' jobs, the business I'm in involves a lot of cash transactions as payment.

It will be a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

That's not the moral high road. You'd be no better than someone claiming disability benefit when they're fully able, i.e. just another leech.

ilovesleep · 08-03-2013 03:15PM

Maudi wrote: »

times coming...even if some of the 450.000 unemployed storm the dail and oust these cnuts then demand that we have a gov from brussells run us temporarily at top salary of 45.000 thou ..gets rid of the leeches in gov.that we dont need who are killing the country ..

That would be so good. I've said it here for a few years on boards,that the hardest part of all this austerity path is seeing our government run amok when they should be leading by example. Just there a few weeks ago someone (alan dukes??? maybe) was given a yearly salary of 400,000 euro for winding down anglo.

At a time of fcuking austerity for the nation and those below them. Where we see people with disabilities and illnesses getting hammered either in social welfare payments or the cutting of services, there is enough money left over for such a pay packet. Enda will be drinking my fcuking p1ss in time. I really wish the black and tans would make a come back for kildare street.

revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

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