Mardi Gras police brutality

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 10:55AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Police seemed quite reasonable. I know UK or Irish police would have had less patience with bystanders shouting at them.

And quoting codes of conduct and human rights articles is frankly pointless, perhaps you should look at their codes for restraining and arresting a potential offender.

Honestly?

Did you see the kid? and I stress KID He was balling his eyes out. The officer (who was about a foot taller and twice the weight of the kid) had his hands cuffed behind his back, proceeded to slam him to the ground (for the second time) and then stood on him.

It is clear from the video that the kid posed no threat to the police. It was abuse of power and unnecessarily violent treatment.

Please explain to me why it is pointless to quote the NSW police code of conduct when the officer were clearly breaching nearly half of it? Why have codes of conduct? Why bother with rights? Do you not think that with the power the police have and the pedestal they are held on in most western democracies that the should be immune from criticism and the law itself?

Uriel. · 06-03-2013 11:06AM

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Honestly?

Did you see the kid? and I stress KID He was balling his eyes out. The officer (who was about a foot taller and twice the weight of the kid) had his hands cuffed behind his back, proceeded to slam him to the ground (for the second time) and then stood on him.

It is clear from the video that the kid posed no threat to the police. It was abuse of power and unnecessarily violent treatment.

Please explain to me why it is pointless to quote the NSW police code of conduct when the officer were clearly breaching nearly half of it? Why have codes of conduct? Why bother with rights? Do you not think that with the power the police have and the pedestal they are held on in most western democracies that the should be immune from criticism and the law itself?

Why do you think it is acceptable for people to act like complete muppets. Yeah he got thrown to the ground... you think that is brutality? seriously? I don't know why the guy was originally arrested. But did he think lashing out at the police was going to somehow better his situation. We're all getting to be too much of a soft touch these days. If the worst thing that happens to that guy is to get thrown on the ground after being arrested and subsequently lashing out at the police, then he'll have a grand life.

perhaps he has learned his lesson and in future won't act like a tool

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 11:17AM

Uriel. wrote: »

Why do you think it is acceptable for people to act like complete muppets. Yeah he got thrown to the ground... you think that is brutality? seriously? I don't know why the guy was originally arrested. But did he think lashing out at the police was going to somehow better his situation. We're all getting to be too much of a soft touch these days. If the worst thing that happens to that guy is to get thrown on the ground after being arrested and subsequently lashing out at the police, then he'll have a grand life.

perhaps he has learned his lesson and in future won't act like a tool

Hang on, when did I say it was ok for people to act as "complete muppets"??

All I did was point out the fact that they used excessive force and contravened their own code of conduct. Regardless of the situation it is not acceptable for the police to abuse their powers.

At what point were the police given the power to teach people lessons by abusing them and standing on them? Is that not why we have a criminal justice SYSTEM??? With rules and procedures? The rules and procedures are developed for this very reason, to limit the power of the state and by extension their police force. Without rules and procedures their is no law.

When those who make the law, break the law, in the name of the law it calls into question the legitimacy of the states power and the exercise of their monopoly on the use of violence. the police are the manifestation of this legitimate use of force.

topper75 · 06-03-2013 11:25AM

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Regardless of the situation it is not acceptable for the police to abuse their powers.

It was clear from the video that they were restraining a drunk and abusive individual. I would say that is use of their powers as police officers, not abuse.

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 11:32AM

topper75 wrote: »

It was clear from the video that they were restraining a drunk and abusive individual. I would say that is use of their powers as police officers, not abuse.

You seem to be confusing restraint and abuse. An officer of that size does not need to treat a person in custody in the manner that kid was treated. All police forces are trained in techniques of restraint that achieve the aim of restraining a suspect without causing undue injury. If the officer in question followed procedure he would not have to essentially body slam a kid and stand on him, which, no matter how you dress it up and try to rationalize it is an abuse of power and amounts to assault.

Also being abusive does not equal physical abuse. Again this shows a lack of understanding of the correct procedures and conduct expected from police officers.

Annasopra · 06-03-2013 11:35AM

jugger0 wrote: »

Yeah i could tell by the hotpants and crying alright.

I never knew that heterosexuals don't cry

mike65 · 06-03-2013 11:50AM

I was expecting hoping for lots of busty wimmins flashing and being hauled into a paddy wagon

Canis Lupus · 06-03-2013 12:50PM

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Honestly?

Did you see the kid? and I stress KID He was balling his eyes out. The officer (who was about a foot taller and twice the weight of the kid) had his hands cuffed behind his back, proceeded to slam him to the ground (for the second time) and then stood on him.

It is clear from the video that the kid posed no threat to the police. It was abuse of power and unnecessarily violent treatment.

Please explain to me why it is pointless to quote the NSW police code of conduct when the officer were clearly breaching nearly half of it? Why have codes of conduct? Why bother with rights? Do you not think that with the power the police have and the pedestal they are held on in most western democracies that the should be immune from criticism and the law itself?

Act like a f*cktard and the police will restrain you. Size is irrelevant, the fact he was crying was irrelevant. At the start of the video he clearly needs restraining. The video shows nothing of what he did but some posts already indicate he (your poor crying kid) was lashing out at the police.

Frankly the video doesn't show enough but I don't see anything particularly wrong with anything shown.

From every personal experience I've had or seen involving police, people who end up crying on the ground with their hands cuffed behind their back have deserved it.

As for your codes I'm fairly sure police will be allowed to use reasonable force to restrain an individual. If you somehow think you're able to be belligerent and uncooperative when under arrest being a potential danger to the police and general public then the police will quickly disabuse you of that notion and quite rightly too.

EDIT: it's also worth pointing out, regarding the news article link, that Australian news even the stuff on tv is the equivalent of the The Sun and the Daily Mail combined. It's mostly sensationalist crap of the highest order. Two weeks ago breaking news requiring a reporter to visit the site and report live was a small fishing boat grounded on rocks about 10 feet from the shore. They'll take ANYTHING and try to spin it into a story here.

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 01:15PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Act like a f*cktard and the police will restrain you. Size is irrelevant, the fact he was crying was irrelevant. At the start of the video he clearly needs restraining. The video shows nothing of what he did but some posts already indicate he (your poor crying kid) was lashing out at the police.

Frankly the video doesn't show enough but I don't see anything particularly wrong with anything shown.

From every personal experience I've had or seen involving police, people who end up crying on the ground with their hands cuffed behind their back have deserved it.

As for your codes I'm fairly sure police will be allowed to use reasonable force to restrain an individual. If you somehow think you're able to be belligerent and uncooperative when under arrest being a potential danger to the police and general public then the police will quickly disabuse you of that notion and quite rightly too.

EDIT: it's also worth pointing out, regarding the news article link, that Australian news even the stuff on tv is the equivalent of the The Sun and the Daily Mail combined. It's mostly sensationalist crap of the highest order. Two weeks ago breaking news requiring a reporter to visit the site and report live was a small fishing boat grounded on rocks about 10 feet from the shore. They'll take ANYTHING and try to spin it into a story here.

See you have done what most people do, ignore the actuality of the situation and bring in 'what I think' because of a few anecdotal incidents you have encountered. From what I saw in that video and comparing that to the codes of conduct set up for the New South Wales police force he used excessive force and abused his power. Regardless of the media culture in the country re sensationalization (fail to see the relevance TBH) and regardless of any verbal abuse directed at the police they didn't handle the situation in a proper manner.

4/5 officers with one skinny little kid who was too pissed and needed to be treated as such, was cuffed, body slammed and stood on. It was like the fecking wild west. Totally over the top, totally uncalled for and excessive.

crockholm · 06-03-2013 01:29PM

bedrock#1 wrote: »

See you have done what most people do, ignore the actuality of the situation and bring in 'what I think' because of a few anecdotal incidents you have encountered. From what I saw in that video and comparing that to the codes of conduct set up for the New South Wales police force he used excessive force and abused his power. Regardless of the media culture in the country re sensationalization (fail to see the relevance TBH) and regardless of any verbal abuse directed at the police they didn't handle the situation in a proper manner.

4/5 officers with one skinny little kid who was too pissed and needed to be treated as such, was cuffed, body slammed and stood on. It was like the fecking wild west. Totally over the top, totally uncalled for and excessive.

I'm going out on a limb here, but you Sir, sound like you don't have much experience in dealing with drunk and aggressive people.You do not give a sucker an even break,and if the NSW guidelines are about being un-prejudiced,then surely you can't prejudice the hotpants wearer simply because of his smaller stature?

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 01:46PM

crockholm wrote: »

I'm going out on a limb here, but you Sir, sound like you don't have much experience in dealing with drunk and aggressive people.You do not give a sucker an even break,and if the NSW guidelines are about being un-prejudiced,then surely you can't prejudice the hotpants wearer simply because of his smaller stature?

Didn't look aggressive to me at all, hysterical maybe, but not a threat. 5 officers, trained and patrolling a Mardi Gras parade - come on. Surely they knew they would encounter some drunken shenanigans.... It still doesn't explain their need to body slam a kid and stand on him.

Whether or not I have experience is immaterial. They are TRAINED and this is the crucial point. They have a code of conduct and procedures to follow and they didn't. And of course size and strength comes into it. The police are paid to assess situations and use their best judgement - they didn't in this case.

What threat did he pose to them half naked and handcuffed? Tell me.

wonderfulname · 06-03-2013 01:51PM

mango salsa wrote: »

I never knew that heterosexuals don't cry

I never knew they don't wear hotpants, nowt as queer as folk that's for sure...

Lapin · 06-03-2013 02:04PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Thats why you don't fcuk with the police !

True, it usually works the other way round.

D1stant · 06-03-2013 02:05PM

Sigh. If only we could enforce people into Junior B hurling teams for 2 years as a form of national service, there'd be a lot less shrieking over some twat getting a slap

crockholm · 06-03-2013 02:06PM

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Didn't look aggressive to me at all, hysterical maybe, but not a threat. 5 officers, trained and patrolling a Mardi Gras parade - come on. Surely they knew they would encounter some drunken shenanigans.... It still doesn't explain their need to body slam a kid and stand on him.

Whether or not I have experience is immaterial. They are TRAINED and this is the crucial point. They have a code of conduct and procedures to follow and they didn't. And of course size and strength comes into it. The police are paid to assess situations and use their best judgement - they didn't in this case.

What threat did he pose to them half naked and handcuffed? Tell me.

Trained counts for nought until you take away the possibility of the guy to do harm, from my own experience,I have seen a guy get his nose broken by the drunk who swung his head back and connected, he had 3 men around him,both arms in arm-locks,but no-one kept the head forward.

do you really think you can guage another mans strength just by looking at him?wrong wrong wrong.

The best advice is to co-operate, offer no resistance,be respectful

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 02:15PM

crockholm wrote: »

Trained counts for nought until you take away the possibility of the guy to do harm, from my own experience,I have seen a guy get his nose broken by the drunk who swung his head back and connected, he had 3 men around him,both arms in arm-locks,but no-one kept the head forward.

do you really think you can guage another mans strength just by looking at him?wrong wrong wrong.

The best advice is to co-operate, offer no resistance,be respectful

So you are telling me a guy (police officer) got his nose broken - because he didn't follow the correct restraint procedures and restrain the suspects head?

See, those pesky procedures are good for something.

I'm not interested in the story you are telling me. I'm talking about this story and this video. Stop changing the subject. The eye witnesses said the officer grabbed the kid slammed him to the ground and then smashed his head into the concrete. Then after handcuffing him he stood him up. When the hysterical drunk kid pulls away the officer again slams him into the ground and this time stands on him. At what point did the officer use the correct force, procedure or judgement?

Dyr · 06-03-2013 02:25PM

Needs more tazer tbh

crockholm · 06-03-2013 02:25PM

I know well you're not interested in my experience, you're interested in seeing this episode as a gross injustice/intolerance whatever, I don't agree with that. Simples.

crockholm · 06-03-2013 02:31PM

I know you're not interested in my story,you're interested in seeing this episode as a case of intolerance/police brutality/victimization whatever. Correct procedure? I can't see where the cop was over zealous, and remember that word you used "hysterical"may you have lots of fun using reason and critical thinking when you bump into someone in that state

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 02:32PM

As is your right. I just see the police as being a unique position, what with the legitimate use of force, training, equipment etc. on their side. As I see it they are in such a powerful position the regulation governing them should be as tight as a ducks arse - as should their accountability.

hatrickpatrick · 06-03-2013 02:34PM

I love the way cops are so quick to shout "stop filming" these days. Seems like they're bitter that their actions are now held up to public scrutiny - just like pretty much anyone in a position of power has discovered over the last few years.

I've seen worse in the Valley on any given Saturday night. Cops don't take any sh1t, they really shouldn't have to either. sure, every now and again, someone gets a dislocated shoulder or a concussion.

Unless there's no other way to prevent someone else from getting seriously injured, this should absolutely never happen.

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 02:36PM

crockholm wrote: »

I know you're not interested in my story,you're interested in seeing this episode as a case of intolerance/police brutality/victimization whatever. Correct procedure? I can't see where the cop was over zealous, and remember that word you used "hysterical"may you have lots of fun using reason and critical thinking when you bump into someone in that state

Again, my experience or what I'd do in a similar situation doesn't come into it! They are supposedly trained to deal with these situations yet come across as though all they watched in training was re-runs of Cops.....

Hysterical behaviour does not require body slamming.....

HTML5! · 06-03-2013 02:37PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I love the way cops are so quick to shout "stop filming" these days. Seems like they're bitter that their actions are now held up to public scrutiny - just like pretty much anyone in a position of power has discovered over the last few years

A lot of what's filmed often doesn't show the entire story, just the biased view of the muppets filming.

CRUNCH! That was a nice take down. Good enough for him.

If he wasn't acting the b0llocks, nothing would've happened. End of story.

I'm not a huge fan of the Garda, but they do a tough job. Show them some respect and you'll be OK.

cursai · 06-03-2013 02:38PM

A pinch more headlock and a dash of pepper spray would really compliment that arrest.
He resisted. He wasnt hurt, nothing to see here.

crockholm · 06-03-2013 02:38PM

bedrock#1 wrote: »

As is your right. I just see the police as being a unique position, what with the legitimate use of force, training, equipment etc. on their side. As I see it they are in such a powerful position the regulation governing them should be as tight as a ducks arse - as should their accountability.

Forgive me that I forget the name of the documentary, but,there was a recently made doc about an EDL march in Bolton city centre,where the riot police and the various protesters are interveiwed afterwards,and all give their reasons for their own personal actions,there is lots of "heavy-handed" policing in that one too.

Boombastic · 06-03-2013 02:39PM

HTML5! wrote: »

A lot of what's filmed often doesn't show the entire story, just the biased view of the muppets filming.

CRUNCH! That was a nice take down. Good enough for him.

If he wasn't acting the b0llocks, nothing would've happened. End of story.

Yep, the actual incident he was initially arrested for was not filmed, camera started rolling after it

crockholm · 06-03-2013 02:42PM

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Again, my experience or what I'd do in a similar situation doesn't come into it! They are supposedly trained to deal with these situations yet come across as though all they watched in training was re-runs of Cops.....

Hysterical behaviour does not require body slamming.....

You just can't predict what a hysterical man is going to do. As for the bodyslam....hell yeah it works,knocked the fight right out of the hotpanted one:cool:

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 02:49PM

cursai wrote: »

A pinch more headlock and a dash of pepper spray would really compliment that arrest.
He resisted. He wasnt hurt, nothing to see here.

They cracked his head open.....

bedrock#1 · 06-03-2013 02:49PM

crockholm wrote: »

You just can't predict what a hysterical man is going to do. As for the bodyslam....hell yeah it works,knocked the fight right out of the hotpanted one:cool:

Yeah....

fasttalkerchat · 06-03-2013 02:54PM

jank wrote: »

'Hate-filled'? Em no, just no.

Slamming someone off a pavement goes further than a normal scuffle and far beyond a heavy handed arrest.

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