Is multiculturalism wanted??

Nodin · 05-03-2013 10:35PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

Willie frazer is being held hostage in maghaberry prison not far from where this illegal camp was set up, this is how NI treats it loyal citizens, while these foreign nationals will probably be in a cozy bedsit in flush park!!!

Hilarious.

Blackbush1905 · 05-03-2013 10:44PM

I wonder what would happen if i set up camp outside warsaw and bitched to local media, applied for housing and benifits. I'd maybe get beat to death by polish cops nether mind angry locals and if i'm lucky get sent home in a body bag.

Nodin · 05-03-2013 10:51PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

I wonder what would happen if i set up camp outside warsaw and bitched to local media, applied for housing and benifits. I'd maybe get beat to death by polish cops nether mind angry locals and if i'm lucky get sent home in a body bag.

Well you might, but I'd say that was more to do with your attitude than any particular agenda on behalf of the Polish police services.

Blackbush1905 · 05-03-2013 11:00PM

Nodin wrote: »

Well you might, but I'd say that was more to do with your attitude than any particular agenda on behalf of the Polish police services.

Oh I bet your charming irish brogue and happy go lucky attitude would win them right over, they'd be buying you rounds and getting pictures taken with with you in some cheesy irish pub, NAH! they'd beat you half to death the take a pictur off you.

Nodin · 05-03-2013 11:02PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

Oh I bet your charming irish brogue and happy go lucky attitude would win them right over, they'd be buying you rounds and getting pictures taken with with you in some cheesy irish pub, NAH! they'd beat you half to death the take a pictur off you.

You seem rather angry. Any reason?

Blackbush1905 · 05-03-2013 11:09PM

Nodin wrote: »

You seem rather angry. Any reason?

I'm just havin abit of craic to be honest, your the one taking everything serious. But the poles would still knock your your **** in if you set up camp outside one of their towns, no gettin away from it.

Nodin · 05-03-2013 11:11PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

I'm just havin abit of craic to be honest, your the one taking everything serious. But the poles would still knock your your **** in if you set up camp outside one of their towns, no gettin away from it.

That's rather wild speculation on your part. You still haven't answered the basic question either - Would you like NI to be judged on Willie Fraser, Willie McCrea and their mates?

Blackbush1905 · 05-03-2013 11:25PM

Nodin wrote: »

That's rather wild speculation on your part. You still haven't answered the basic question either - Would you like NI to be judged on Willie Fraser, Willie McCrea and their mates?

Willie fraser comedy gold , willie mccrea boring i believe in santa bastard had to actually look him up hasn't been about in a while **** sake, but typical for a southerner to bring him up, hes the sort that that you were told when your younger that all them fun killing tee totaling protestants in the black north are like. Theres a lot lot more in this little ****ed up country to give it a bad name and a bad reputation than willie tazer and willie ****ing mccrea!

Nodin · 05-03-2013 11:33PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

Willie fraser comedy gold , willie mccrea boring i believe in santa bastard had to actually look him up hasn't been about in a while **** sake, but typical for a southerner to bring him up, hes the sort that that you were told when your younger that all them fun killing tee totaling protestants in the black north are like. Theres a lot lot more in this little ****ed up country to give it a bad name and a bad reputation than willie tazer and willie ****ing mccrea!

You seem to be missing my point.

Blackbush1905 · 05-03-2013 11:34PM

BTW nodin back on topic, what do you think of romanian and bulgarian immigration into the republic?

Nodin · 05-03-2013 11:36PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

BTW nodin back on topic, what do you think of romanian and bulgarian immigration into the republic?

Given there's little work, I doubt there'll be a vast amount of it.

Paramite Pie · 05-03-2013 11:37PM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Native Britons are a minority in London. Could be Dublin in 20 odd years.

Would you be happy with becoming a minority in your own land?

In 1596 Queen Elizabeth I became concerned with the increasing number of black people in England so she ordered that all black people be deported. She had to repeat the order in 1601, ordering her subjects to deliver up their Negroes and blackamoores

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/early_times/elizabeth.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18903391

England (like many European countries) has a long history of multiculturalism that built up over hundreds of years. This was also prior to the African slave trade so these black people probably arrived as sailors. Diminishing birthrates among white people and higher birthrates among other groups led to the massive population shift in London. Obviously England has serious problems regarding race but it ain't the same here.

Ireland only had a very small number of black people in the 1600s. Interracial marriage was not frowned upon at that time in Europe so who knows what's in your genes?:P

First of all, according to the census' taken in 2012, there are nearly 500,000 non-nationals in Ireland. Roughly 250,000 of those are British, and only 1.5% are black.

Also having spent a few months on the dole I didn't spot many foreigners claiming (nowhere near as much as urban myths claim!).

I'm well aware that a country can only accept so many people before it collapses and I agree with more stringent immigration control but why do people always imply that immigrants are all coloured when most non-nationals are white and come from the exotic locales of the UK.

(I'm not bashing our UK neighbours, just pointing out the over reaction of Irish people to coloured immigrants (and yes I know white is a colour too:P).

Blackbush1905 · 05-03-2013 11:40PM

Nodin wrote: »

You seem to be missing my point.

What point exactly? i could not care less what people think of this country!! I like it and hate it in equal measures and thats good enough for me.

Nodin · 05-03-2013 11:42PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

What point exactly? i could not care less what people think of this country!! I like it and hate it in equal measures and thats good enough for me.

My point is that - in a similar manner to judging all residents of NI by McCrae and Fraser - you're judging Poles by these few that were near lisburn.

Blackbush1905 · 05-03-2013 11:56PM

Nodin wrote: »

My point is that - in a similar manner to judging all residents of NI by McCrae and Fraser - you're judging Poles by these few that were near lisburn.

I'm not judging anyone, i'd rather live with a thousand jam rolls than spend 5 minutes with ANY Free P crackpot bore. I'm saying if they're staying here in those conditions rather than going back to their home country where their roots, family, friends are then there's something here that attracts them rather than jobs, work etc.

Nodin · 06-03-2013 12:57AM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

I'm not judging anyone, i'd rather live with a thousand jam rolls than spend 5 minutes with ANY Free P crackpot bore. I'm saying if they're staying here in those conditions rather than going back to their home country where their roots, family, friends are then there's something here that attracts them rather than jobs, work etc.

Well, logically they aren't getting whatever it is you think they're after, because they're living in crap conditions....secondly, as its an isolated incident, its not really indicative of anything.

Blackbush1905 · 06-03-2013 01:43AM

Nodin wrote: »

My point is that - in a similar manner to judging all residents of NI by McCrae and Fraser - you're judging Poles by these few that were near lisburn.

Just out of interest why is it when southerners think of northern ireland the people they first think of is firebrand free presbo **** like mccrae? and other such like pricks, he isn't a name in anyones head up here but brought up on a mainly southern forum, my theory is that this is the view alot of people have of "the north", makes it easy to point and say they're the bigots, load of bollocks!! its says more about alot of clueless know it alls down south who present themselves as experts on NI and its troubles by throwing about names of nomark "the earths flat" dicks than it does about your average northern irish person. It honestly comes across alot of the time as something that was taught or passed on to you maybe through school because its all very similar, you can tell a southern "nationalist" or an irish american rant straight away, but anyway where just hear to spoil your fun, tell ya not to drink on a sunday and take those six counties you dont have a clue or give a **** about off ya!!!

I'm willie mcrea and i'm an audi 5000!!

Nodin · 06-03-2013 02:02AM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

Just out of(....)audi 5000!!

Well some southerners might because they employ the same "logic" towards the North as you do towards Poles.

Blackbush1905 · 06-03-2013 02:19AM

Nodin wrote: »

Well some southerners might because they employ the same "logic" towards the North as you do towards Poles.

Aye, and there's been no animosity towards poles down south!!!

truth is you were schooled by catholic fundamentalist nuns and priests, as someone on a recent forum said "the nuns told us it was green white and gold, probably because they didn't like the thought of orange/protestant", sound familiar?

Thank **** i went to a secular primary school- not so bad for a country full of catholic hating religious bigots, and also an integrated secondary school in the middle of a loyalist area.

Is it not time use got rid of europe dropped the anti brit grudges and gave us back the occupied 26?

0066ad · 06-03-2013 02:34AM

Nodin wrote: »

You've some source for this?

You asked for sources, he gave you sources?

Provided the sources that you asked, your like oh **** there is sources, what
can I say now??? Oh yeah I got it they are stuck between a rock and a hard
place. The same as anybody would do.

What can I do now he got me with the source I didn't think was there??????

I know i got it, lets pick out the two most bigoted people in Northern Ireland
who happen to be in the news right now and say do you want people to
judge Northern Ireland based on just these two.

Anything to fit your own agenda, hey Nodin?

Nodin · 06-03-2013 07:26AM

0066ad wrote: »

You asked for (......)hey Nodin?

You seem to be unable to grasp the point as well....

Nodin · 06-03-2013 07:27AM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

Aye, and there's *(..........)anti brit grudges and gave us back the occupied 26?

Whats any of that to do with the OP?

gallag · 06-03-2013 08:26AM

Few tents popping up about belfast now, bottom of newtownards road, apparently just a scam to get up the housing list. Also hardly a shop or set of traffic lights without roma gypsies begging out side or selling roses/pick pocketing at night. But I suppose I should just accept my country being turned into a slum and look forward to a new surge in the numbers lest I be branded a racist.

gallag · 06-03-2013 08:48AM

How do the Chinese do it? Nearly every city in the world has a large Chinese community and they integrate really well, a Chinese area is welcoming and the people never seem to create resentment to their presence, they seem a hard working and friendly bunch. Compare with, say roma gypsies, very few seek gainful employment, high crime, begging, cant walk past a bin without emptying it over the street and they create a hostile unwelcoming presence in the area they settle. I wonder how we are perceived over seas? Do we integrate? Do locals feel intimidated by our presence?

AlekSmart · 06-03-2013 12:50PM

gallag wrote: »

How do the Chinese do it? Nearly every city in the world has a large Chinese community and they integrate really well, a Chinese area is welcoming and the people never seem to create resentment to their presence, they seem a hard working and friendly bunch. Compare with, say roma gypsies, very few seek gainful employment, high crime, begging, cant walk past a bin without emptying it over the street and they create a hostile unwelcoming presence in the area they settle. I wonder how we are perceived over seas? Do we integrate? Do locals feel intimidated by our presence?

I'd imagine you'll be needing sources for these....;)

Nodin · 06-03-2013 04:31PM

gallag wrote: »

How do the Chinese do it? Nearly every city in the world has a large Chinese community and they integrate really well, a Chinese area is welcoming and the people never seem to create resentment to their presence, they seem a hard working and friendly bunch. Compare with, say roma gypsies, very few seek gainful employment, high crime, begging, cant walk past a bin without emptying it over the street and they create a hostile unwelcoming presence in the area they settle. I wonder how we are perceived over seas? Do we integrate? Do locals feel intimidated by our presence?

Check America in particular
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinophobia
plus
http://www.salon.com/2010/08/17/why_catholics_should_thank_anti_catholics/

woodoo · 06-03-2013 11:37PM

Blackbush1905 wrote: »

Just out of interest why is it when southerners think of northern ireland the people they first think of is firebrand free presbo **** like mccrae? and other such like pricks, he isn't a name in anyones head up here but brought up on a mainly southern forum, my theory is that this is the view alot of people have of "the north", makes it easy to point and say they're the bigots, load of bollocks!! its says more about alot of clueless know it alls down south who present themselves as experts on NI and its troubles by throwing about names of nomark "the earths flat" dicks than it does about your average northern irish person. It honestly comes across alot of the time as something that was taught or passed on to you maybe through school because its all very similar, you can tell a southern "nationalist" or an irish american rant straight away, but anyway where just hear to spoil your fun, tell ya not to drink on a sunday and take those six counties you dont have a clue or give a **** about off ya!!!

I'm willie mcrea and i'm an audi 5000!!

Willie mccrea was on our screens for years and he sticks in the memory as one of the most unlikable people i have ever seen. He had all the bad points of a complete bigot but no redeeming features he had no charisma, wasn't funny or entertaining etc. He banged on and on about republican terrorists then shares a platform with Billy Wright. This hypocrisy didn't go unnoticed down here.

laoch na mona · 07-03-2013 09:21AM

gallag wrote: »

Few tents popping up about belfast now, bottom of newtownards road, apparently just a scam to get up the housing list. Also hardly a shop or set of traffic lights without roma gypsies begging out side or selling roses/pick pocketing at night. But I suppose I should just accept my country being turned into a slum and look forward to a new surge in the numbers lest I be branded a racist.

no you should challenge a political system which is so exploitative that people have to squat in camps to get a house and where workers are viewed as a disposable commodity to serve the means of profit. Immigrants are not the problem those who happily exploit them are

gallag · 07-03-2013 09:54AM

laoch na mona wrote: »

no you should challenge a political system which is so exploitative that people have to squat in camps to get a house and where workers are viewed as a disposable commodity to serve the means of profit. Immigrants are not the problem those who happily exploit them are

Where will the houses come from? Will I soon be paying more taxes to house any European that fancies a free house? How about we challenge a political system that is still allowing uncontrolled emigration when there is already massive unemployment, hospital waiting lists and housing shortages, the only people benefiting from that is mega corps being able to keep wages down.

Pherekydes · 07-03-2013 10:11AM

gallag wrote: »

How about we challenge a political system that is still allowing uncontrolled emigration...

What are you proposing? Some sort of police state to prevent people going abroad?

Is multiculturalism wanted??

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