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Was Mother Teresa not so saintly after all?

  • 04-03-2013 01:30PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/dubious-care-of-the-sick-questionable-politics-and-suspicious-financial-dealings-researchers-claim-mother-teresa-was-not-so-saintly-after-all-29107530.html
    Researchers are calling into question the saintly image of Mother Teresa after carrying out research into her life.

    Born Agnes Gonxha in Albania, she founded the Missionaries of Charity and spent much of her life in Calcutta, caring for the sick and poor.

    But a number of critics have questioned how much of the image is justified.

    These included 'her rather dubious way of caring for the sick, her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce.'

    At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries.
    But these missions have been described as 'homes for the dying' by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta.

    Doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers.

    But the authors say the problem is not a lack of money, as the foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundred of millions of pounds.

    Quite surprised at this if it turns out to be true (another scandel the catholic church could do without) , I do not believe in saints but I always believed she was a good person and would be really disappointed if these allegations are true...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    I would consider myself an Atheist, but the following details the flaws with this 'article'.

    1 - Daily Mail.

    That is all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I head she tried a bit of DVDA with some priests while in college!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    That has been known for a long time, she was a bit of a cúnt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    She was one of Christopher Hitchens' favourite sacred cows 10 years ago.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2003/10/mommie_dearest.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,407 ✭✭✭lkionm


    She didnt get those soft hands from blessing children.


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  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Gia Quick Showboat


    Melion wrote: »
    That has been known for a long time, she was a bit of a cúnt.

    ^ Pretty much this, this isn't news I'm afraid!
    Refusing people painkillers for the fun of it :mad:


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Na, she was a retard.. Forcing her own view of poverty onto others. The amount of money she raised didn't reach those she was claiming to help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,351 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    couldn't be bothered to read the article, so is it saying she helped open 500 missions to be mean to people?

    surely she did some good. And if she was keeping money, she could have spent some on some new clothes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I wouldn't imagine that she was the one doing the books, she probably recruited someone from Anglo.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    davet82 wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287427/Was-Mother-Teresa-saintly-Researchers-spark-controversy-claiming-care-sick-dubious-handling-cash-suspicious.html



    Quite surprised at this if it turns out to be true (another scandel the catholic church could do without) , I do not believe in saints but I always believed she was a good person and would be really disappointed if these allegations are true...
    She also genuinely believed she was a good person. But she is quoted as saying that she put the spiritual salvation of those she 'saved' above their physical salvation. Thats messed up priorities.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    starlings wrote: »
    She was one of Christopher Hitchens' favourite sacred cows 10 years ago.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2003/10/mommie_dearest.html

    He made a documentary about her called 'Hell's Angel'... it's on YouTube.. bit of a harsh title imo, but some interesting points raised in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Monday + Slow News Day + No Pope Stories = Daily Fail trying to cause a Catholic Church Shocker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    This has been known for quite a while, but the media, especially here in Ireland, have been very reluctant to touch it because she has for so long been held up as the gold standard for what a good person is supposed to do.

    In reality what she did was gather sick people into the same place so they could all die together. She didn't actually do anything to relieve suffering (if anything she relished it) and made no attempt to make these people's lives better. Many people in her institutions died of curable illness and in horrific pain due to their policy of not treating illness or providing any kind of pain relief.

    One example of this is the "miracle" on which she was beatified. A woman with tuberculosis and ovarian cysts was "miraculously" cured. Was it Teresa praying over her, or perhaps it was the months of drugs being administered to her by doctors. Left in Mother Teresa's care, this woman would actually have died of an illness which proved ultimately curable.

    Money collected by her charities donated by people who were no doubt under the impression that she was "helping the black babies" was used for religious purposes, with practically none of it being spent to relieve pain and suffering.

    At best you could say that she saved people by putting them into an institution and not letting them die alone. The ethos behind her institutions was actually quite sick and did basically nothing to improve the lot of the poor of calcutta.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,351 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Next the Daily Mail will be telling us she tried to get a £500,000 council house in England at the taxpayers expense, bloody foreigner.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Mother Teresa was a complete fraud just like Princess Diana.

    Its a fitting coincidence that they both died in the same week.

    Don't be taken in by either of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    She may not have been as great as advertised but i'm pretty sure she had more of a positive impact on the world than the Daily Mail or any of it's staff, shareholders and readers combined.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭--Kaiser--


    Crazy religious bitch. She thought suffering was holy, fuck her


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Remember when she was caught with all those machine guns and still people made excuses for her?

    "Oh she needs those for the poor people, to protect them against poverty."

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received

    It was just resting in her account...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    She didn’t believe in the use of contraception either, which considering the effect that not being able to space births or have control over your reproductive health has on poverty, was dangerous and irresponsible.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    She was divil for the ould drugs........



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Next the Daily Mail will be telling us she tried to get a £500,000 council house in England at the taxpayers expense, bloody foreigner.

    Are these the claims of the Daily Mail, or are they merely reporting other people's views? If it is the latter, what are you doing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    jaja321 wrote: »
    She didn’t believe in the use of contraception either, which considering the effect that not being able to space births or have control over your reproductive health has on poverty, was dangerous and irresponsible.

    She must have done, as I don't recall her having any kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭positron


    As already mentioned, this is not news at all, not even in India....

    This debate has been going on in India for a long time, however the country still gave her full state funeral, which includes among other things, declaring a day of national mourning, gun salute and flying the national flag at half mast for a day. Totally over the top, but I guess India wanted to look good to the rest of the world - or may be they feared the rest of the world might judge them as mistreating the minority religion or some high-horsed-sh1te like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    Crazy religious bitch. She thought suffering was holy, fuck her

    She still done far more to help people than most world leaders were doing at the time. I doubt many of the children she evacuated from an under siege Beirut would say today that they would have been better off without her help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    positron wrote: »
    As already mentioned, this is not news at all, not even in India....

    it was news to me :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Sandwlch


    starlings wrote: »
    She was one of Christopher Hitchens' favourite sacred cows 10 years ago.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2003/10/mommie_dearest.html

    From 1994:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    jaja321 wrote: »
    She didn’t believe in the use of contraception either, which considering the effect that not being able to space births or have control over your reproductive health has on poverty, was dangerous and irresponsible.

    That's in keeping with standard Catholic doctrine though. What would you expect her to have believed? That's a reason to beat the Catholic church (that's done occasionally on AH, isn't it?:p) rather than MT per se.

    Her obsession with suffering was the truly sick part and what set her apart as one of the more odious individuals of the recent past.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    Lapin wrote: »
    Mother Teresa was a complete fraud just like Princess Diana.

    Its a fitting coincidence that they both died in the same week.

    Don't be taken in by either of them.

    Ah, 1997.

    Hallowe'en was great craic that year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Always loved Christopher Hitchens' take on the old so-and-so, ripped her apart in his book 'The Missionary Position'. Here's a short documentary he assembled about her (as he did with Princess Diana), split into 3 different YouTube videos, here's the first.



    Edit: Apologies Sandwich, I didn't see your post there.


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