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Where is Brian Cowen now?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭books4sale


    From what I heard, wasn't he in America, enrolled in a business school and preparing to tour the lucrative 'lecture circuit' addressing CEO's, prominant business people, students etc, .....similar to Bertie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Well he's not sitting somewhere, wondering what the feck we're doing, thats for sure!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    more to the point , who cares where, or what the fat **** is up to , waste of skin IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    guzzling Guinness and wiping his posterior with €20 notes,







    .....until he dies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭Pudders


    Whilst I know it won't be a popular view, the man has left politics and is entitled to some privacy. OK he made some horrendous decisions but I'm not sure anyone would have made decisions any better or worse.

    And no I have never voted FF in my life but think some of the bile and abuse Cowen has suffered reflects very badly on the lack of forgiveness in this country.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,183 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Down a sinkhole.

    Too soon......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Pudders wrote: »
    Whilst I know it won't be a popular view, the man has left politics and is entitled to some privacy. OK he made some horrendous decisions but I'm not sure anyone would have made decisions any better or worse.

    And no I have never voted FF in my life but think some of the bile and abuse Cowen has suffered reflects very badly on the lack of forgiveness in this country.


    In a less civilised society he would be swinging from a lamp post

    he is lucky its only a few words on an internet forum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,833 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    racso1975 wrote: »
    I think you'll find he was elected to that position

    The people vote for TD's, the Taoiseach is usually the leader of the majority party elected in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Pudders wrote: »
    Whilst I know it won't be a popular view, the man has left politics and is entitled to some privacy. OK he made some horrendous decisions but I'm not sure anyone would have made decisions any better or worse.

    And no I have never voted FF in my life but think some of the bile and abuse Cowen has suffered reflects very badly on the lack of forgiveness in this country.

    As someone who never voted for FF I tend to agree with your post. However the powers that be constantly rub our nose in it, as a result you have some very nasty comments about former politicians.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I'm sure Brian Cowen gives a sh1t what a few angry Internet nerds thinks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    In prison awaiting trial for negligence and possible corruption.

    Oh wait sorry I forgot, the Western World has absolutely no concept of "justice" anymore :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Pudders wrote: »
    Whilst I know it won't be a popular view, the man has left politics and is entitled to some privacy. OK he made some horrendous decisions but I'm not sure anyone would have made decisions any better or worse.

    And no I have never voted FF in my life but think some of the bile and abuse Cowen has suffered reflects very badly on the lack of forgiveness in this country.


    the man was finance minister when the country was run into the ground
    he held the purse strings - and he royally ****ed it up , not just my assertion
    but the international view

    he deserves every bit of derision he gets and more - he was super well paid to do his job - a job he was NEVER qualified for , a job he was a disaster at
    and walks away whistling a happy tune , becasue he will never have to worry about the ESB bill or shoes for his kids

    as some one just said , he is lucky he is not hanging from a lamp post in offaly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    books4sale wrote: »
    From what I heard, wasn't he in America, enrolled in a business school and preparing to tour the lucrative 'lecture circuit' addressing CEO's, prominant business people, students etc, .....similar to Bertie?
    This and complaining about the irish media reporting about him, he got some sort of grant for doing it too


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    What's even more worrying is that "the people" seem to have learned nothing from this massive mess that we were dropped in to by whoever you care to blame.

    "The people" are still voting for teachers on career breaks, barristers, solicitors and the like, and then expecting them to have some sort of idea of how to run a country, when most of them have never worked in real business.

    As someone remarked to me a while back,

    "Those that can, DO. Those that can't become teachers. Those that can't teach, teach teachers, and the ones that can't teach teachers become politicians"..................

    Then there's the subtle issue of letting them STILL get away with paying themselves way over the odds for the job, and having what are probably the most generous allowances and expenses in the western world, and there's been next to no uprising from "the people" to say that this is no longer acceptable.

    The Irish attitude towards this was well summed up by words I heard one morning on Gay Byrne, when Joe Duffy was interviewing people around Ballymun when the CJH story first broke "Wasn't he a coot Hoor for getting away with it for as long as he did"

    How many TD's have we seen hauled up in front of tribunals or courts for corruption, or graft, or brown envelopes, or similar?

    For however long it was, the Brits ruled things, and the attitude became engrained into the Irish Culture, "Feck ye and yer rules".

    The Brits lost control nearly a century ago, but the culture is still "Feck ye..........." and as has been clearly demonstrated to the rest of us, it goes to the top.

    Massive Pay rises, massive pensions, holidays that are even longer than school holidays ( now there's a surprise), the whole expenses and allowances issues, misuse of Dail facilities and postal service, the list is endless.

    When the people see the people at the top doing things like this, and often getting away with it for years, then the reaction is to do the same, and to say little, on the basis that if they all have their snouts in the trough, they won't be looking too closely at what's happening further down the line.

    I'm not far off retirement age. My pension has been destroyed. My property is worth next to nothing at this stage, and was meant to have been a lump sum to go into my pension when we downsized. The very few shares I had are worthless. The cash we had saved got ploughed into keeping a business going for a while because we believed Ahern when he told us that "the recession would be short, and the property market will have a soft landing". Yeah, right, we've seen the truth now. Can't unspend the money though

    I've been self employed for a good while, and a number of the companies I used to work for no longer exist. Social Welfare? No chance, they sent me a letter telling me not to even bother signing on. Right now, I am thinking that I will be lucky to retire before I die, the chances of the property market recovering sufficiently for me to downsize and have enough left to buy something smaller after the debts are paid is unlikely to happen in my lifetime.

    So, do I despise people like Cowen and Ahern? Damn right I do, because they were only looking out for their own narrow personal agenda, and they did it in ways that secured their own future and security, with no care or interest in what happened to the people that had put them in there to represent them.

    What's adds insult to injury is that there is no will or recognition from the latest bunch that are supposedly running the country to do anything to change it, or even to put some of the people responsible behind bars for their activities.

    Brutal reality? The republic as presently structured and run has failed. A new republic, and a new political system is needed, with reform from the very bottom of the structure to the top, with laws in place that give the people the power to make politicians accountable for their actions, and something at constitutional level that if more than a certain % of the population sign a petition or similar, the government cannot ignore it, and has to respond within a constitutional time scale, or face sanction.

    Probably won't happen in my lifetime, the real people that are running the country, the top civil servants, will do everything they can to make sure that the status quo is not disturbed, the system works too well for them to want it to change any time soon.

    Shades of Yes Minister, and Yes Prime Minister. If it wasn't so serious, it would be funny that it's been allowed to happen for so long with so little reaction.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Right, just to clear this up, I'm well aware we don't elect the Taoiseach.

    The point I was making was that coming into elections we generally have a fair idea who the Taoiseach will be, i.e the leader of the party we are voting for and vote accordingly with the view that this person would be the best person for the job.

    This wasn't the case in Cowens case as he got the job in a handover from Bertie.

    I really didn't think this needed to be explained.

    We live in a republic, we don't make these decisions, we just choose the people who do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Pudders wrote: »
    Whilst I know it won't be a popular view, the man has left politics and is entitled to some privacy. OK he made some horrendous decisions but I'm not sure anyone would have made decisions any better or worse.

    And no I have never voted FF in my life but think some of the bile and abuse Cowen has suffered reflects very badly on the lack of forgiveness in this country.

    Shure he only ****ed up a country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭xLexie


    Wonder how many posters complaining about Brian cowen running the country into the ground took out mortgages they couldn't afford?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Poor old Brian. A daycent skin left to try pick up the pieces after Bertie left him high and dry. He never had the charisma to be taoiseach God less him.

    As much as I hate Bertie, it was Biffo in charge when private debts of the banks were shifted on to the backs of the taxpayer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    xLexie wrote: »
    Wonder how many posters complaining about Brian cowen running the country into the ground took out mortgages they couldn't afford?

    lol. Even if everyone took out two mortgages they couldn't afford it'd be a fraction of what we owe. Anglo was on the hook for every Tom, Dick and Harry from here to Timbuktu. Cheap & easy credit and poor regulation made us a hotspot for shonky investments.

    The ''banking crisis'' (mass fraud) caused domestic mortgages to start failing, some years later.

    It took that b*stard a couple of hours of trickery to leave this country with a 100% win for banks and speculators and a total loss for the tax payer and citizen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    xLexie wrote: »
    Wonder how many posters complaining about Brian cowen running the country into the ground took out mortgages they couldn't afford?

    i wonder how many of those people took out mortgages that they COULD afford becasue they had jobs at the time , im getting sick of the smug ****ers who look down on the majority of people who borrowed on the strength of the employment they had at the time - only to have the job taken away from under them

    you do understand that is how it works dont you?
    grown ups that have jobs and kids buy houses over a long period based on their PRESENT employment and future earnings as far as they can predict,
    no one predicted the **** storm that followed or how badly cowan and his merry band of gangsters would drop us in it

    did you see this coming? , did you warn your family and friends?
    the country is full of know it all people after the fact

    do you honestly think people would have taken out these loans if they had half a hint that this was going to happen ?

    your post is childish and somewhat offensive - grow up


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    None of our business I would have thought


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭xLexie


    dj jarvis wrote: »

    i wonder how many of those people took out mortgages that they COULD afford becasue they had jobs at the time , im getting sick of the smug ****ers who look down on the majority of people who borrowed on the strength of the employment they had at the time - only to have the job taken away from under them

    you do understand that is how it works dont you?
    grown ups that have jobs and kids buy houses over a long period based on their PRESENT employment and future earnings as far as they can predict,
    no one predicted the **** storm that followed or how badly cowan and his merry band of gangsters would drop us in it

    did you see this coming? , did you warn your family and friends?
    the country is full of know it all people after the fact

    do you honestly think people would have taken out these loans if they had half a hint that this was going to happen ?

    your post is childish and somewhat offensive - grow up
    Hahaha.

    What I don't understand is why people were taking out 95%/100% mortgages. Why would you be buying a house when you couldn't even come up with some of the money? And you would think before borrowing hundreds of thousands, you might worry about "what if I get sick/lose my job". It's not like a recession is something that was new and unheard of. It had happened before. People borrowed stupid amounts of money, bought houses with money they didnt have, and then blame the government the banks and voters for FF. lol, typical ireland, blame everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    xLexie wrote: »
    Hahaha.

    What I don't understand is why people were taking out 95%/100% mortgages. Why would you be buying a house when you couldn't even come up with some of the money? And you would think before borrowing hundreds of thousands, you might worry about "what if I get sick/lose my job". It's not like a recession is something that was new and unheard of. It had happened before. People borrowed stupid amounts of money, bought houses with money they didnt have, and then blame the government the banks and voters for FF. lol, typical ireland, blame everyone else.

    I'll start off by stating I am debt free.

    You are completely missing the point. Back in the day, everyone was encouraged to buy a property at any cost. Why? Because they could sell it 2-3 years later and make a profit of 20-30%.

    Now a lot of young families bough 1-2 bedroom apartments / town house with the intention of making that profit and then purchasing the family home.

    Does that sound like the economics of a crazy person, I guess it does but hindsight is a great man. At the time that was considered the sensible move.

    When I was 20 and a broke student the bank would send me a letter every month starting with ' Due to your financial circumstances we would like to offer you this credit card' for 10k !!

    10k to a broke student. Ridiculous (obviously I never took them up on there offer, Im sure many did). A small example of the idiots 'managing' our banks

    The banks were reckless and must shoulder the majority of the blame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    xLexie wrote: »
    Hahaha.

    What I don't understand is why people were taking out 95%/100% mortgages. Why would you be buying a house when you couldn't even come up with some of the money? And you would think before borrowing hundreds of thousands, you might worry about "what if I get sick/lose my job". It's not like a recession is something that was new and unheard of. It had happened before. People borrowed stupid amounts of money, bought houses with money they didnt have, and then blame the government the banks and voters for FF. lol, typical ireland, blame everyone else.

    that is how you buy a house , with money you dont have , you borrow based on your earnings , who has 300,000 grand sitting around ?

    you really dont understand how this works do you - ill take it you are about 15 judging by your ill thought out post and reply

    "what if i got sick "??? if that was the case NO ONE would ever buy a house , and they dont give them away for free you know - its all based on risk

    did your parents buy their house???

    jesus whept

    as i said - go and grow up


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 69,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭Grid.


    Didn't he elope with Mary Harney??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    P_1 wrote: »
    None of our business I would have thought

    We are paying for that nation destroyers lifestyle and until his enormous coffin is craned into the ground we have the right to keep a very close eye on him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    T-K-O wrote: »
    I'll start off by stating I am debt free.

    You are completely missing the point. Back in the day, everyone was encouraged to buy a property at any cost. Why? Because they could sell it 2-3 years later and make a profit of 20-30%.

    Now a lot of young families bough 1-2 bedroom apartments / town house with the intention of making that profit and then purchasing the family home.

    Does that sound like the economics of a crazy person, I guess it does but hindsight is a great man. At the time that was considered the sensible move.

    When I was 20 and a broke student the bank would send me a letter every month starting with ' Due to your financial circumstances we would like to offer you this credit card' for 10k !!

    10k to a broke student. Ridiculous (obviously I never took them up on there offer, Im sure many did). A small example of the idiots 'managing' our banks

    The banks were reckless and must shoulder the majority of the blame.

    true for ya , EVERY month or 2 the bank would raise my credit card limit , with out asking me or me asking for it , and if you try get your limit down apparently it affects your credit rating - madness


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Oh how was I not swept off my feet by the bankers? Ha ha your living with your parents. Yet house prices on Leitrim are the same as suburban London???

    Markets reallign and I buy my house at at a realistic rate at 92%.

    But let's blame Brian!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    true for ya , EVERY month or 2 the bank would raise my credit card limit , with out asking me or me asking for it , and if you try get your limit down apparently it affects your credit rating - madness

    Funny thing is, all roads lead back to ze Germans. They made bags of cash in the good and bad times.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    As much as I hate Bertie, it was Biffo in charge when private debts of the banks were shifted on to the backs of the taxpayer.

    So the feckless economic policies of Bertie are fine as he wasn't the one left carrying the can????

    Bertie is 1000000% more culpable than Brian, imho


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