UK teen commits suicide after being brought to court over 50p of cannabis

old hippy · 01-03-2013 02:02PM

frankosw wrote: »

Yes but being constantly wasted is a recipie for impaired judgement....thats why stoners are always shambling around the place clad in rags and reeking to high heaven.

I guess there's a stereotype but on a personal level, I've met regular smokers who are Gardai, Met Police, Doctors, Nurses, tube drivers, dentists and so on and so forth. I think there's a myth that those who enjoy a bit of the weed are akin to Phineas, Franklin and Freddie...

Bit like claiming those of us who enjoy a regular pint are raging alcoholics always pissed up to the gills etc...

frankosw · 01-03-2013 02:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

I guess there's a stereotype but on a personal level, I've met regular smokers who are Gardai, Met Police, Doctors, Nurses, tube drivers, dentists and so on and so forth. I think there's a myth that those who enjoy a bit of the weed are akin to Phineas, Franklin and Freddie...

Bit like claiming those of us who enjoy a regular pint are raging alcoholics always pissed up to the gills etc...

Cops caning the herb are being very foolish..most police forces and military have random drugs testing and a positive result for cannabis can get you fired.

I for one would not be happy having a Garda force composed of people whacked out of thier gourds whilst enforcing the law and often making life or death decisions.

Same goes for doctors,nurses,dentists and tube drivers....i dont want a stoned dentist pulling out the wrong tooth or a wankered tube driver going the wrong way up the track.

Sergeant · 01-03-2013 02:13PM

old hippy wrote: »

I guess there's a stereotype but on a personal level, I've met regular smokers who are Gardai, Met Police, Doctors, Nurses, tube drivers, dentists and so on and so forth. I think there's a myth that those who enjoy a bit of the weed are akin to Phineas, Franklin and Freddie...

Bit like claiming those of us who enjoy a regular pint are raging alcoholics always pissed up to the gills etc...

Would you be confident in the abilities of an ambulance driver who you knew was a heavy smoker of weed? I certainly wouldn't. It impairs judgement and coordination.

There might be someone in the back needing urgent medical attention at a hospital, while Smokie Joe the driver ambles around town listening to Led Zeppelin and stopping into a McDonald's for a quarter pounder meal.

To be honest, the vast vast majority of stoners are destined to spend the rest of their deluded lives working in the lower rungs of the service and manufacturing industries - if they work at all.

mikom · 01-03-2013 02:14PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHH7krBwc0Q

Thatnastyboy · 01-03-2013 02:14PM

frankosw wrote: »

Cops caning the herb are being very foolish..most police forces and military have random drugs testing and a positive result for cannabis can get you fired.

I for one would not be happy having a Garda force composed of people whacked out of thier gourds whilst enforcing the law and often making life or death decisions.

Same goes for doctors,nurses,dentists and tube drivers....i dont want a stoned dentist pulling out the wrong tooth or a wankered tube driver going the wrong way up the track.

Ah jaysus, this is beyond trolling.

Chuck Stone · 01-03-2013 02:19PM

Prohibition fanboys.

Hilarious.

Seedy Arling · 01-03-2013 02:20PM

I'm so baked right now. I can't believe it's only Wednesday, it's been a long week.

Chuck Stone · 01-03-2013 02:22PM

Sergeant wrote: »

Would you be confident in the abilities of an ambulance driver who you knew was a heavy smoker of weed? I certainly wouldn't. It impairs judgement and coordination.

Drug abuse is bad. Prohibition of weed is fucking stupid.

frankosw · 01-03-2013 02:22PM

mikom wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHH7krBwc0Q

Ah Blur..led by the Mockney stoner Dermot Oblong?

A posh,middle-class kid pretending to be a Cockney wide boy..thaats drags innit,mate?

Thatnastyboy · 01-03-2013 02:24PM

Sergeant wrote: »

To be honest, the vast vast majority of stoners are destined to spend the rest of their deluded lives working in the lower rungs of the service and manufacturing industries - if they work at all.

IMO the vast majority of coffee drinkers are destined to spend the rest of their lives shaking violently in the bullpen of a menial office job earning 18k p.a.

The vast majority of alcohol drinkers are destined to spend the rest of their lives sitting on a park bench sucking the pi$s out of their socks 'cos there may be some alcohol left in it to get their fix.

frankosw · 01-03-2013 02:29PM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

IMO the vast majority of coffee drinkers are destined to spend the rest of their lives shaking violently in the bullpen of a menial office job earning 18k p.a.

The vast majority of alcohol drinkers are destined to spend the rest of their lives sitting on a park bench sucking the pi$s out of their socks 'cos there may be some alcohol left in it to get their fix.

I suppose you hafta be stoned to make any sense of that:rolleyes:

ScumLord · 01-03-2013 02:35PM

frankosw wrote: »

Yes but being constantly wasted is a recipie for impaired judgement....

Your completely correct. In the same way someone who drinks constantly is a recipe for impaired judgement, but just like with alcohol the majority of users don't smoke constantly.

frankosw wrote: »

I for one would not be happy having a Garda force composed of people whacked out of thier gourds whilst enforcing the law and often making life or death decisions.

By that logic we should also ban alcohol because simply having it legal means every ones going to be whacked out of their mind on alcohol.

Just because you have no self control doesn't mean the rest of the population should have to suffer to protect you.

dr.bollocko · 01-03-2013 02:37PM

Frankosw banned.

For a start.

Continue to troll gents. I've got all day.

Sergeant · 01-03-2013 02:41PM

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

IMO the vast majority of coffee drinkers are destined to spend the rest of their lives shaking violently in the bullpen of a menial office job earning 18k p.a.

The vast majority of alcohol drinkers are destined to spend the rest of their lives sitting on a park bench sucking the pi$s out of their socks 'cos there may be some alcohol left in it to get their fix.

Most coffee drinkers have the occasional cup of coffee. Most drinkers enjoy a few drinks. I'm sure there is potheads who smoke from time to time. Good on them.

But most stoners live a type of feckless existence based around eating instant noodles, watching too much TV, and talking about their spliff rolling techniques with other greasy and ashen-faced losers living their extended teenage year 'dream'.

dr.bollocko · 01-03-2013 02:46PM

Back on topic folks.

This has drifted. Destined to get locked and folks banned if we continue in this manner.

ScumLord · 01-03-2013 02:46PM

Sergeant wrote: »

Would you be confident in the abilities of an ambulance driver who you knew was a heavy smoker of weed? I certainly wouldn't. It impairs judgement and coordination.

When would an Irish Ambulance driver get the time to be a heavy smoker of cannabis?

if they work at all.

Clearly you don't know either way.

mikom · 01-03-2013 02:50PM

The boy that is dead won't be driving many Ambulances or tube trains.
Thanks, prohibition.

Wattle · 01-03-2013 02:54PM

Sergeant wrote: »

Most coffee drinkers have the occasional cup of coffee. Most drinkers enjoy a few drinks. I'm sure there is potheads who smoke from time to time. Good on them.

But most stoners live a type of feckless existence based around eating instant noodles, watching too much TV, and talking about their spliff rolling techniques with other greasy and ashen-faced losers living their extended teenage year 'dream'.

There defintely are stoners like that but what the vast majority of people here are trying to point out is that they are occasional users with useful and productive lives. I know lots of people who smoke cannabis but I know very very few people who could be classified as stoners. So can you please stop bracketing all of us as living in a sort of a Crusty twilight?

Thatnastyboy · 01-03-2013 03:03PM

Sergeant wrote: »

Most coffee drinkers have the occasional cup of coffee. Most drinkers enjoy a few drinks. I'm sure there is potheads who smoke from time to time. Good on them.

But most stoners live a type of feckless existence based around eating instant noodles, watching too much TV, and talking about their spliff rolling techniques with other greasy and ashen-faced losers living their extended teenage year 'dream'.

Id argue that most smokers (not potheads - using that term really points to an opinion formed by 1950's american anti-drugs campaigns) smoke occasionally/ in more moderation than a coffee drinker, or alcohol drinker.

Re: the second part, where on earth did you form that opinion?? :eek: jeez come on now, try and argue with some sort of rationality, the other side of the fence are putting a decent effort and argument forward and are being met with the likes of that on every rebuttal.

Back On topic - A teen has taken his life (apparently) due to the fear of consequences he may or, may not have felt due to an archaic system that allows a person to be prosecuted for carrying a miniscule fragment from let's face it, a flower.

No matter what side of the fence you are on, there's one main winner in areas of prohibition - the criminal suppliers (not self sufficient home-growers). They run an untaxed, unregulated, lawless sector that prints its own money.

It should be regulated, taxed and controlled. Not left in the hands of criminal elements. Then, and only then can the "war on (the criminal suppliers of) drugs" be won.

ArseLtd · 01-03-2013 03:05PM

It doesn't take any intelligence to come onto boards and spout random insulting crap. Ignoring the pathetic trolls in this thread, i would like to say I'm very sorry for the young person affected by a law designed to take away rights and make the rich richer.

The good news is we are moving forward and unjust laws are being abolished albeit slowly.

Anyone who wants to be left behind, i think our "friend" frankosw will point you in the right direction

Sergeant wrote: »

Would you be confident in the abilities of an ambulance driver who you knew was a heavy smoker of weed? I certainly wouldn't. It impairs judgement and coordination.

In fairness to you you are misinformed and not a troll as far as i can see. You're assuming that someone who is a smoker of marijuana smokes it all the time, which is akin to saying someone who drinks on a saturday night is drunk the whole week, which is untrue. No ambulance driver would intoxicate themselves with alcohol or cannabis before work.

I can understand your view because tobacco smokers smoke lets say 20 a day all throughout the day, but this is untrue for the cannabis smoker. I myself smoke 1-3 joints in the evening (I don't smoke tobacco cigarettes) and not everyday and would honestly say i am worth more to society than the average person. People are people, smoking cannabis doesn't change them. Cannabis does not remove your morals and these views are the remnants of "reefer madness" and other propaganda spread heavily during the 70's for alot of reasons, all of the which i would call evil on earth.

To be honest, the vast vast majority of stoners are destined to spend the rest of their deluded lives working in the lower rungs of the service and manufacturing industries - if they work at all.

That view is another stereotype spread by the media. You're so ignorant you probably wouldn't know someone who is stoned if you were talking to them, that i can guarantee. I don't want to reveal my identity on this website but i am a smoker who works and i know plenty other smokers who work, some of them earn alot of money and some of the them do very physical work.

thebigbiffo · 01-03-2013 03:27PM

Sergeant wrote: »

Would you be confident in the abilities of an ambulance driver who you knew was a heavy smoker of weed? I certainly wouldn't. It impairs judgement and coordination.

There might be someone in the back needing urgent medical attention at a hospital, while Smokie Joe the driver ambles around town listening to Led Zeppelin and stopping into a McDonald's for a quarter pounder meal.

To be honest, the vast vast majority of stoners are destined to spend the rest of their deluded lives working in the lower rungs of the service and manufacturing industries - if they work at all.

i'm sick of this line of dumb stereotyping. just because a doctor, ambulance driver or anyone else enjoys a pint in their free time doesn't mean they're a full time alcoholic and danger to anyone - why is smoking a joint in your free time any different?

I’ve said this a million times on here, so idiots (not that I’m calling you an idiot, sometimes the written word on boards like this just gives that impression) can have something tangible to negate their negative stereotyping: I’m 33, married with 2 young happy children, live in a nice 5 bed house in the country that I’m paying my mortgage in full on, work in a high pressure job with a global media company that’ll gross me 90k this year and I contribute the resulting taxes – yet because I smoke a joint you automatically assume I’m a layabout hippy, good for nothing in this country.

Grow up. Just, seriously, grow up and look around you. it’s people like you have held back progression in society due to a lack of education and narrow mindedness. You really do need to cop on. scarlet for yer Ma reading your BS.

Yitzhak Rabin · 01-03-2013 03:35PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

i'm sick of this line of dumb stereotyping. just because a doctor, ambulance driver or anyone else enjoys a pint in their free time doesn't mean they're a full time alcoholic and danger to anyone - why is smoking a joint in your free time any different?

I’ve said this a million times on here, so idiots (not that I’m calling you an idiot, sometimes the written word on boards like this just gives that impression) can have something tangible to negate their negative stereotyping: I’m 33, married with 2 young happy children, live in a nice 5 bed house in the country that I’m paying my mortgage in full on, work in a high pressure job with a global media company that’ll gross me 90k this year and I contribute the resulting taxes – yet because I smoke a joint you automatically assume I’m a layabout hippy, good for nothing in this country.

Grow up. Just, seriously, grow up and look around you. it’s people like you have held back progression in society due to a lack of education and narrow mindedness. You really do need to cop on. scarlet for yer Ma reading your BS.

You smoke illegal narcotics in your home with young children??

That is astounding! I think it is incredibly reckless for someone to be engaging in dangerous illegal activities in the presence of young children!

mikom · 01-03-2013 03:35PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

I’m 33, married with 2 young happy children, live in a nice 5 bed house in the country that I’m paying my mortgage in full on, work in a high pressure job with a global media company that’ll gross me 90k this year and I contribute the resulting taxes .

Spot on thebigbiffo.

Vaper here.

Late 30's, 5 bed house (own outright), college graduate, self employed, car owner (taxed and insured), long term partner of 10+ years, 2 dogs, social drinker, never been arrested, never even had penalty points.

Sterotypes, yep, all trolls are softcocks.......... especially bantam.

Sergeant · 01-03-2013 03:37PM

thebigbiffo wrote: »

Grow up. Just, seriously, grow up and look around you. it’s people like you have held back progression in society due to a lack of education and narrow mindedness. You really do need to cop on. scarlet for yer Ma reading your BS.

How is legalising weed a progression in society? Progression in society would be such things as allowing women to be allowed choose what to do with their bodies in the case of pregnancy, a end to discrimination, a greater respect for community. Legalising a depressant isn't exactly a Martin Luther King moment is it?

Stoners can puff away all they want. I'd even be in favour of letting them do it. Taking drugs isn't some massive act of civil disobedience and rebelliousness. Lots of people do it. Just stop pretending that your drug of choice is some magic elixir that has the power to bring round a new golden age of civilization - if only it were legalised.

It's a really dumb argument to make.

mikom · 01-03-2013 03:38PM

Sergeant wrote: »

Legalising a depressant isn't exactly a Martin Luther King moment is it?

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

You smoke illegal narcotics in your home with young children??

FYI, for the uninformed, Cannabis is not classed as a depressant nor a narcotic.

thebigbiffo · 01-03-2013 03:40PM

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

You smoke illegal narcotics in your home with young children??

That is astounding! I think it is incredibly reckless for someone to be engaging in dangerous illegal activities in the presence of young children!

this is the most obvious attempt at trolling i've seen in ages.

for the record - i don't smoke around my children. that would be a scumbag thing to do, and i'm no scumbag.

dr.bollocko · 01-03-2013 03:45PM

And we're done.

Apart from the bans I'm probably going to hand out when and if I have to re-read this thread.

UK teen commits suicide after being brought to court over 50p of cannabis

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