Is multiculturalism wanted??

Wibbs · 01-03-2013 11:25AM

9959 wrote: »

For example, according to 'capiitalist dogma', when Anglo-Irish went belly-up, then that particular institution's bond holders should have taken a bath, but the goalposts were shifted, rightly or wrongly, to suit the circumstances of the day, would you now argue - using your proviso is where the point lays that capitalism is unworkable and should therefore be scrapped as a concept.

Actually I would argue that this form of capitalism where abstract money makes money is unworkable. That we need to go back to basics where money is generated by making actual "stuff" and services rather than by money making money. The latter is too risky and guarantees booms and busts.

Similarly, the right to free speech is one which we trumpet loudly and hold dear in this part of the world, but how come I can't shout "FIRE" in a crowded theatre, or suggest that all people from 'Makeyupland' are subhuman and should all be shot in their own balls of ****e?,

Actually the right to free speech, particularly the US model(which seems to be the one people reference) isn't applicable here. On that score I'd argue for less censorship. If you want to say the above knock yourself out.

you know the answer, every system involving human beings is imperfect and must be adjusted in the interests of fairness, safety, common sense etc, people are resourceful and good at this type of thing, you're perfectly entitled to your sceptism in regard to multiculturalism but some of us are more optimistimistic about the resourcefulness of human beings and their ability to find solutions to seemingly insurmountable problems,

Going by recent history I'd not be nearly so optimistic.

I'm still holding my breath for your alternative to multiculturalism, other than your pick 'n' mix perhaps a bit of this, and maybe a bit of that.

You suggest that I sit back and have an oul think, well I suggest that you should STEP FORWARD and give us your non-dogmatic, guaranteed problem-free alternative to muticulturalism.
What's it called?
How will it work?
Help us here oh wise one.

I already have. If someone wants to migrate to another culture then fit in, integrate, be valuable to the new culture and leave your old cultural baggage that doesn't fit in the new culture behind. Goes for Guy from Cork moving to Madrid as much as a guy from Pakistan moving to Cork. If they're not willing to do that or only pay lip service then nope.

01-03-2013 11:46AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually I would argue that this form of capitalism where abstract money makes money is unworkable. That we need to go back to basics where money is generated by making actual "stuff" and services rather than by money making money. The latter is too risky and guarantees booms and busts.
Actually the right to free speech, particularly the US model(which seems to be the one people reference) isn't applicable here. On that score I'd argue for less censorship. If you want to say the above knock yourself out. Going by recent history I'd not be nearly so optimistic.

I already have. If someone wants to migrate to another culture then fit in, integrate, be valuable to the new culture and leave your old cultural baggage that doesn't fit in the new culture behind. Goes for Guy from Cork moving to Madrid as much as a guy from Pakistan moving to Cork. If they're not willing to do that or only pay lip service then nope.

If you want to say the 'A' word then knock yourself out, or I'll say it for you.
Assimilation

Now, that didn't hurt, did it?

Death and Taxes · 01-03-2013 12:12PM

9959 wrote: »

If you want to say the 'A' word then knock yourself out, or I'll say it for you.
Assimilation

Now, that didn't hurt, did it?

in fairness to Wibbs I dont think he has ever said or inferred that assimilation as it is understood should be adopted.
reading his various posts what he appears to say is that people should be allowed to practice and have respected their culture, except those parts which are an anathema to fundemental principles of human rights, eg, he has no problem with people practicing their religion/culture so long as they don't think we are going to allow them to mutilate their daughters, whip their women or kill homosexuals etc.
That does not amount to assimilation , it amounts to a two way street where there are basic rules which must be obeyed by everyone.

01-03-2013 12:30PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

in fairness to Wibbs I dont think he has ever said or inferred that assimilation as it is understood should be adopted.
reading his various posts what he appears to say is that people should be allowed to practice and have respected their culture, except those parts which are an anathema to fundemental principles of human rights, eg, he has no problem with people practicing their religion/culture so long as they don't think we are going to allow them to mutilate their daughters, whip their women or kill homosexuals etc.
That does not amount to assimilation , it amounts to a two way street where there are basic rules which must be obeyed by everyone.

Well if I thought that muticulturalism meant a free pass to kill homosexuals then I too would be against it, I never inferred that multiculturalism was a one-way street, I'm not even sure that Wibbs did either.

old hippy · 01-03-2013 01:14PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Absolutely true,and no better place in the region to start than the Maldives....?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/sentenced-to-100-lashes-in-the-maldives-15yearold-girl-raped-by-stepfather-who-then-murdered-baby-8513293.html

The Maldivian Government are to appeal this decision to a Higher Court,as the sentence was delivered by the Childrens Court......but,hey,it's in adherence to their religious Culture,Beliefs and Preferences,so it's gotta be good...Ya.??????

Perhaps it's A La Carte Multiculturalism that's the way forward (Backward ?)

Sounds more like a form of monoculturalism, to me.

The US executes the mentally ill and minors. But I don't know of any Americans in Ireland or UK clamouring for this...

old hippy · 01-03-2013 01:20PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

No just the sentiments in the post are a bit much to hope for in Ireland. Maybe in another few years but not at this time. As for the Busman i think he is telling porkies.

I don't think it's too much to hope for. I'd agree that Busman is probably a bit confused. I predict his very own "Rosa Parks moment" at some stage in the near future...

yoshi_ · 01-03-2013 01:36PM

Zion is importing neoliberalism and destroying our once grace land.

old hippy · 01-03-2013 01:38PM

yoshi_ wrote: »

Zion is importing neoliberalism and destroying our once grace land.

You might want the Conspiracies forums?

yoshi_ · 01-03-2013 01:42PM

old hippy wrote: »

You might want the Conspiracies forums?

You might want the barbers? (I'm assuming cos of your name)

old hippy · 01-03-2013 01:45PM

yoshi_ wrote: »

You might want the barbers? (I'm assuming cos of your name)

Have you anything to say about multiculturalism?

yoshi_ · 01-03-2013 01:49PM

old hippy wrote: »

Have you anything to say about multiculturalism?

I love humanity. But we need to unite as SEPARATE NATIONS at this point in history. It's the only way to stop a certain group making our lives hell.

old hippy · 01-03-2013 01:56PM

yoshi_ wrote: »

I love humanity. But we need to unite as SEPARATE NATIONS at this point in history. It's the only way to stop a certain group making our lives hell.

Who? The Illuminati?

Grand Moff Tarkin · 01-03-2013 01:56PM

old hippy wrote: »

I don't think it's too much to hope for. I'd agree that Busman is probably a bit confused. I predict his very own "Rosa Parks moment" at some stage in the near future...

Are you sure he would even know who Rosa Parks was?

01-03-2013 01:58PM

yoshi_ wrote: »

I love humanity. But we need to unite as SEPARATE NATIONS at this point in history. It's the only way to stop a certain group making our lives hell.

Chartered Accountants is it?

yoshi_ · 01-03-2013 02:02PM

old hippy wrote: »

Who? The Illuminati?

Mentioning the group is forbidden on liberal-extremism forums like this.

old hippy · 01-03-2013 02:03PM

yoshi_ wrote: »

Mentioning the group is forbidden on liberal-extremism forums like this.

With respect, you've only just joined. How would you know what's forbidden and what isn't?

crockholm · 01-03-2013 02:06PM

yoshi_ wrote: »

Mentioning the group is forbidden on liberal-extremism forums like this.

try the food and drink forum, scroll down to the pork section. you should be safe there to post your wisdom

yoshi_ · 01-03-2013 02:06PM

old hippy wrote: »

With respect, you've only just joined. How would you know what's forbidden and what isn't?

I know from experience on OTHER forums just like this one. Homosexual online communities and the like

old hippy · 01-03-2013 02:10PM

yoshi_ wrote: »

I know from experience on OTHER forums just like this one. Homosexual online communities and the like

Sounds like a hoax, to me.

Did you get banned from one recently and have now arrived here because you're a glutton for punishment?

dr.bollocko · 01-03-2013 03:09PM

The troll has been banned. And so we carry on.

woodoo · 04-03-2013 02:58AM

Interesting that multiculturalism is not being pushed for Israel.

Nodin · 04-03-2013 04:02AM

woodoo wrote: »

Interesting that multiculturalism is not being pushed for Israel.

You do know who David Duke is, I trust?

Dyr · 04-03-2013 11:25AM

he's one of the duke brothers yeah?

Or is he the grand da?

Forest Demon · 04-03-2013 04:06PM

I cant wait to be further enriched by all the Romanian and Bulgarians that will come here next year from Jan 1 2014.

What we need is another nationality coming in and working for minimum wage for a bit and then being entitled to social welfare and housing for the rest of their lives.

Oh but they will go home when work drys up. How has that worked out so far?? Nobody is going anywhere (except the Irish).

There should be no immigration into Ireland except when they have already secured employment at a minimum of 30k per year and for a minimum of 12 months. This should entitle them to 6 months welfare if they lose their job.

We don't need any more minimum wage workers in Ireland with over 400k unemployed.

Death and Taxes · 04-03-2013 04:09PM

Forest Demon wrote: »

I cant wait to be further enriched by all the Romanian and Bulgarians that will come here next year from Jan 1 2014.

What we need is another nationality coming in and working for minimum wage for a bit and then being entitled to social welfare and housing for the rest of their lives.

Oh but they will go home when work drys up. How has that worked out so far?? Nobody is going anywhere (except the Irish).

There should be no immigration into Ireland except when they have already secured employment at a minimum of 30k per year and for a minimum of 12 months. This should entitle them to 6 months welfare if they lose their job.

We don't need any more minimum wage workers in Ireland with over 400k unemployed.

So you are proposing that we unilaterally leave the EU?
Yeah I can see how that would work:rolleyes:

Hidalgo · 04-03-2013 04:12PM

Bambi wrote: »

he's one of the duke brothers yeah?

Or is he the grand da?

he's one of the Hazzard Dukes afaik

FTA69 · 04-03-2013 04:17PM

Forest Demon wrote: »

I cant wait to be further enriched by all the Romanian and Bulgarians that will come here next year from Jan 1 2014.

They probably won't come because there's f*ck all work for them to do. People aren't stupid like. Eastern Europeans move to a given country to try and secure work and they've little interest in travelling to places where it's nigh impossible to get a job in Burger King. I could see some of them moving to the UK or Germany although there are already hundreds of thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians here already.

04-03-2013 04:28PM

Forest Demon wrote: »

I cant wait to be further enriched by all the Romanian and Bulgarians that will come here next year from Jan 1 2014.

What we need is another nationality coming in and working for minimum wage for a bit and then being entitled to social welfare and housing for the rest of their lives.

Oh but they will go home when work drys up. How has that worked out so far?? Nobody is going anywhere (except the Irish).

There should be no immigration into Ireland except when they have already secured employment at a minimum of 30k per year and for a minimum of 12 months. This should entitle them to 6 months welfare if they lose their job.

We don't need any more minimum wage workers in Ireland with over 400k unemployed.

Apologies if incorrect, but AFAIK, since July 2012 Romanians and Bulgarians were free to travel to Ireland without applying for work permits, so you can stop trembling with fear of the impending invasion, it's already happened, mind how you go.

Forest Demon · 04-03-2013 04:40PM

9959 wrote: »

Apologies if incorrect, but AFAIK, since July 2012 Romanians and Bulgarians were free to travel to Ireland without applying for work permits, so you can stop trembling with fear of the impending invasion, it's already happened, mind how you go.

Hardly trembling in fear :rolleyes:. I just think we have lost more from a cultural perspective then we have gained from mass immigration so far in Ireland.

That's just my opinion.

Sarky · 04-03-2013 04:45PM

Could you rattle off a quick list of all the things we've lost culturally in just your opinion? Just to compare numbers, like.

Is multiculturalism wanted??

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