Transgender child banned from girl's bathroom

kunst nugget wrote: »

I'm sure all the transgender people out there are so upset by this. You seem like a real catch.

Huh? Because I have no interest in somebody who is/was of the same sex as me? How is that a bad reflection on me?

There are girls that I am not attracted to because of looks and personality or whatever, should they also feel offended? There are certain things that would put me off a potential partner and that is certainly one of them. How in the name of god could I be blamed for that?

Honestly now, explain that nonsensical comment you just left.

MadsL wrote: »

I think you need to re-read the thread if you think the vast majority were supportive? Especially page 1.

Now do stop with your makey-uppy "agenda" that I'm supposed to have, the classic "attack a liberal" position. ohhh "The Agenda!!" Please.

As for concern for the child's welfare could you please explain to me what age the parents are supposed to start listening to their child's explanation of their gender identity? 26?

Im not attacking a liberal position, im attacking your position. You are ever the master of putting your words in other peoples mouths. I'm not talking about any liberal agenda. I am specifically talking about your aims in this thread. As far as I can see that is to paint yourself as an open minded, liberal fighting for the rights of the transgendered against closed minded bigots and god botherers. I dont need to re-read the thread. The majority are arguing against the decision of the parents at such a young age to raise the child as a girl. Its the age that is the issue not the action. Pointing to page 1 of a 22 page thread doesnt do your argument much good.

I personally believe that such a decision should not be made until the child gets closer to puberty and is old enough to coherently express their feelings and display a rational understanding of their personal situation and their decision. I do not believe any child at 18 months, at 4 or at 6 is capable of that.

awec wrote: »

You find this thread more disturbing than the story?

Come on now Links.

The only thing that disturbs me about the story is that the school made an issue in the first place.

All evidence we have on what causes transsexualism is that it is something that happens in utero, before the person is born. If you read the personal accounts of transgender people the world over, a vast majority of them will tell you they knew from a very early age.

If we understand that this is something that is an inborn trait, just like we understand sexuality now, and know that it is something that does not go away, then letting the girl just be herself is the right course of action. Attempting to force her to be something she is not would be cruel and abusive, and you could no more try to force her to not be transgender than those evangelical christians can force kids who display traits of homosexuality and are shipped off to pray away the gay camps to not be gay.

This is not a new phenomenon either, we have scores of children who are allowed to be themselves from all over the world. Her parents are standing on the shoulders of giants so to speak, because this is not something new what so ever. Here's someone else who was allowed to be themselves since childhood:

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Huh? Because I have no interest in somebody who is/was of the same sex as me? How is that a bad reflection on me?

There are girls that I am not attracted to because of looks and personality or whatever, should they also feel offended? There are certain things that would put me off a potential partner and that is certainly one of them. How in the name of god could I be blamed for that?

Honestly now, explain that nonsensical comment you just left.

For example, I would not like to start seeing a girl only to find out she is/was a man. I'd be so pissed off and disgusted! Not trying to offend anyone, but the thoughts of having relations with a man or transgender woman make me sick!

And all that after comparing all trans women to a character in Life of Brian.

It's one thing to admit that trans women might not be your preference in terms of a partner, it's another to express it so immaturely and without consideration to people reading it that are transgender, given it is a thread dealing with transgender issues.

It's not that hard to think a little before you post. It can help you to not look like a complete asshat.

kunst nugget wrote: »

And all that after comparing all trans women to a character in Life of Brian.

It's one thing to admit that trans women might not be your preference in terms of a partner, it's another to express it so immaturely and without consideration to people reading it that are transgender, given it is a thread dealing with transgender issues.

It's not that hard to think a little before you post. It can help you to not look like a complete asshat.

The Life of Brian reference was a joke! Jesus like.

It would make me sick, physically and psychologically sick if I was duped (don't take offence now you here!) into relations with a transgender woman. This is why I don't want to have relations with one.

The way you're going on it's as though you want me to go shift the face off a trans woman to show that I've no problem with it! I've a problem with attitudes like yours.

I don't care what they do as long as it doesn't affect me or my friends/family negatively. I think it's these ultra sensitive attitudes of effectively making minorities stand out by taking offence on their behalf that causes more problems.

Next you'll be telling me that I hate black people because I've only dated white girls. :rolleyes:

Do you want to translate that into a 21st century PC version?

inforfun wrote: »

After reading that, i cant help but thinking that mother actually wants her kids to be not "normal" or they just have the worst luck with kids you can imagine.

It can happen. I know a grown man who out of a family of five is the only one who is not special needs. And no his parents are not related.

clairefontaine wrote: »

There is a bigger question here, and that is how far should public institutions like schools go to accommodate difference?

How far do we validate difference in perception. These kids GENUINELY believe they are the other gender, it's not a question of dress up or fantasy, but of belief. You can have a boy who likes to wear skirts or play with dolls and still KNOW he is a boy, but then you have those who really do believe they are girls, and vice versa.

So, they let boys who think they are girls into the girls bathrooms. What about religions where they use bidets? Should we expect them to build those in to the bathrooms too? Or is there a point to gender segregated toilets.

How come so many threads on AH boil down to toilet usage?

This is, for adults too, a big issue. I was working in a progressive Californian company - one where an internal survey showed recently that 95% voted for Obama - where a pre-OP guy wanted to use the female toilet. Later, post Op there wasn't an issue, but when he looked like a male the female employees were united in saying No. ( Call it CIS-Gender privilege).

If we take sexual dysphoria seriously then any male, unsatisfied with his sex, could get a note from a compliant shrink, and legally change gender but not sex. Allowing him into the female changing rooms swinging his big old member, and bemoaning cis-gender privilege and sex-body-fetishisation of the aghast females within.

I think we can see why old school feminists are not totally on board with this.

mango salsa wrote: »

She is 7

He was 18 months when the parents decided to change his gender.