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Would you have cracked!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭puppieperson


    nope would certainly not have bought the egg for the kid would have given him the evil eye look and bought the egg for myself and unwrapped it and then dropped it on the floor and then stood on it ha ha ha .......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Candie wrote: »
    Exactly what I was thinking.

    Give the child the egg, you're creating an entitled little brat who expects everything he wants to be handed to him - bad parent!

    Don't give the child the egg, the child cries and you studiously ignore it, and the peace of everyone around is disrupted by 'screaming brat who's mother does nothing to shut it up' - bad parent!

    To some people you are a bad parent for breathing. But it is so hard in public to ignore the tantrums because of the interferers and the judgemental people who make it so hard. I wouldn't mind, but I would put money they too are/were like that with their children.
    Madam_X wrote: »
    Fair play to you - that's what I would view as the ideal, but I wouldn't blame a parent for giving their child a treat in public to get them to quieten down, in order to ward off hostility from onlookers who don't understand that small children sometimes have tantrums no matter how competent their parents are.

    I do the ultimate faux-pas, go straight to the sweeties, let him choose one and put it in the basket, if he misbehaves it goes back, so I get a good boy the whole way around the shop usually. But again, it is for after he helps with chores or if he eats his dinner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    It's wasn't his place to buy sweets for a child he doesn't know.

    One reason is it undermines the parent's authority.

    It may only be a sweet, but some parents take the stance that if you keep giving into the little things when they are young, one day you will have a 12 year old demanding really big expensive things and you will end up with a very disappointed child because you have set a precedent that is very hard to undo.

    Secondly, many many children have it drilled into their heads very young not to accept sweets from strangers, not to talk to strangers, so then the child is put into a double bind situation. In fact it would have been an opportunity for the parent to coach the child to say no to the stranger offering the sweets. People watching may have thought he was a rude child for this, but parents would think he is a safe child.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Bet lots of people who say "You shouldn't give a child everything they whinge for" are the same people with unbridled venom towards small children screaming in public.


    I couldn't care less MX about other people's children screaming in public, I understand that's what children do to manipulate a situation- try and embarrass their parents.

    When my child does it, I remove them from the situation, by force if necessary. This has meant that once in Dunnes Stores when he kicked off for babybels, I left down my basket, flipped him up over my shoulder and carried him out of the shop bawling and screaming. I had a word with him outside the shop, then went back in and finished our shopping.

    Another day when he kicked off I took him by the collar of his jacket and marched him out of the shop. On the way out he whined "You can't do this to me, I'm a child!" :D

    It was all I could do not to burst out laughing and keep a serious face so I could give him a stern talking to outside the shop.

    He's a well behaved child now when we go shopping and actually does all the shopping by himself while I just follow around beside him, pays at the checkout and all while I pack the bags.

    If I'd given him the babybel back then, I would've taught him that he gets a treat for nothing other than his ability to play on my fear of public embarrassment.

    I've taken that ability away from him by turning it on him and showing him I don't have any fear of being embarrassed in public so he's wasting his time trying that tactic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    I can see what you mean - I'm sure he didn't actively decide to undermine the mother. However I don't think that the lack of visible anger from the mother means she was ok with it. The likelihood of the mother being a sadist purposely denying her child what it wanted in order to get her kicks is negligible compared to the likelihood of her saying no in order to discipline and instill a sense of patience/"can't always get whatever you want" in her child. I think it's a valuable lesson that a lot of parents don't bother to teach their child because it's easier to buy a creme egg than put up with crying.

    I'm a bit biased to be honest because I work at a shop counter a day or two a week and the difference between the kids that take "no" and the kids that don't is huge. As is the difference between the parents of those two types of kids. And I don't say that purely from a judgmental standpoint. They do frequently cause havok at the tills.

    Maybe im wrong but i would hope he went away thinking he did something nice and hopefully the mother thought so too.

    I agree with all the teaching yes and no with children but we all give in to them sometimes against our better judgement.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭Boofle


    Seen something similar my self in a supermarket recently. There was a little girl aged about 4 with her mother ahead of me in the queue. She took a Kinder egg from the sweet stand and quietly asked her mother if she could get it. Her mam said no. The little girl just asked once more and was told "no" again. Her mam took the egg from her and put it back on the stand. The child looked so sad. She didn't kick up a fuss or have a tantrum or anything. I think the mother probably just couldn't afford to buy the treat for her daughter; they looked very poor :(

    Guess you just don't know anybody's circumstances; maybe the elderly man who bought the creme egg for the little boy just reckoned he was doing a good deed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    HondaSami wrote: »

    Or the child might remember the kind man who bought him a cream egg and the child might grow up to respect people and to be nice.


    Sam with all due respect but it takes a bit more than a stranger with a creme egg to teach a child to respect people and be nice. It only takes seconds for them to learn that there are ways to get around their parents, usually by deferring to someone else, usurping their parents authority and thereby learning that they don't have to respect same when they can just get what they want from somebody else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Sam with all due respect but it takes a bit more than a stranger with a creme egg to teach a child to respect people and be nice. It only takes seconds for them to learn that there are ways to get around their parents, usually by deferring to someone else, usurping their parents authority and thereby learning that they don't have to respect same when they can just get what they want from somebody else.


    I know but can people not see it as a kind gesture rather than seeing it as the gentleman undermining the mother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    HondaSami wrote: »
    I know but can people not see it as a kind gesture rather than seeing it as the gentleman undermining the mother.

    It is a very kind gesture, but as a parent, no, you can only see it as undermining when you have to try and raise a child. There is nothing most parents would love more than to give their child every and any thing they would like, but no means no and people should respect a parents prerogative to say it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    It is a very kind gesture, but as a parent, no, you can only see it as undermining when you have to try and raise a child. There is nothing most parents would love more than to give their child every and any thing they would like, but no means no and people should respect a parents prerogative to say it.

    As a parent i see it as a kind gesture. No often starts out as NO but ends up as yes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    HondaSami wrote: »


    I know but can people not see it as a kind gesture rather than seeing it as the gentleman undermining the mother.


    I can see of course the intention was genuine on the part of the gentleman Sam yes, but it's a bit like the earphone puller- there are some things you just don't do because some genuine gestures of kindness or empathy can be misconstrued and considered unwelcome and you're better in some cases to err on the side of caution.

    If the child's mother said no, one would take that as an obvious signal that you don't have the right to usurp her authority just because it'll make you feel better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭MrTsSnickers


    strobe wrote: »
    I mentioned nothing of rudeness, in fact I emphasized politeness. Read my posts a little more carefully if you're intent on addressing them, it'll save us both time.

    Embarrassing people? Come off it, saying "sorry I told him no" is hardly pulling his trousers round his ankles now is it? Is this man the most sensitive soul who has ever graced our fine and noble land, or what, in your imagination?

    If I bought a kid in a cue behind me a treat (I wouldn't but that's not really the point), handed it to the parent/child and they said "sorry I told him no", I would be embarrassed, and I'm quite young, simply because, I'd tried to do a nice thing and it's declined in front of a cue of people (I also know many (especially older) people that think buying something for a small child/giving them money is a sign of luck).

    We hear so much about the decline of the sense of community, but yet when it's offered, even if it is in kind of a weird way, it's refused. Although, I do draw the line at people trying to touch pregnant lady's bumps or babies in prams etc...ugh (anyone from Galway, Nora tried to touch my child in his pram when he was a few weeks old - bleugh!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    HondaSami wrote: »
    As a parent i see it as a kind gesture. No often starts out as NO but ends up as yes.

    As parents, of course we all say no sometimes and after a few minutes, no can become yes, but that is for us to decide, not anyone else, be they other family members or very nice random strangers, IMO anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    How do you eat yours?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,713 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Creme eggs are horrible. A messy lump of gloop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Scruffles


    toddlers have communication,expression and emotional regulation difficulties so although woud not have automaticaly bought the child chocolate-because do not know her and any issues it woud cause,have also got a lot of understanding of kids and the difficulty they have learning to cope with feelings and being able to express themselves.
    it isnt fair for people to assume theyre spoilt little shts when they tantrum in a public place over things such as a chocolate egg,both emotional regulation and expression are big minefields to kids to learn [many of us never get past that or are acutely impaired due to issues like ASDs and intelectual disability] ,they shoud be redirected in what theyre doing; perhaps offer them something non acidic and healthy when get home-no giving in but no punishing them for the way they operate either,they do not have the mental capacity to think like regular older kids or adults woud when it comes to manipulating parents into buying stuff for them.

    yep their screaming is like shooting acid covered nails through the brain am saying that as someone with profound hearing sensitivity but having two nieces who are almost two and the other close by,it is so much easier to live with it by understanding them instead of
    seeing them as noisy inconveniences.

    the sis hates any of us giving the oldest one anything sweet including a drink of ribena, it has to be so diluted that even the niece feels insulted let alone us by watching it,will only give her treats if her ma says yes and a bit more than that when ma isnt here.
    -the old guy who is being refered to in the OP is probably a grandad and is well used to sneaking his grandkids stuff as dad does the same to sisters kids.

    its funny as people like the sis think healthy eating is unbeateable,she got told by the dentist the little ones teeth were being eroded by the acid from eating fruit and had to cut back on the amount.
    and washing kids teeth often to combat sugar/acid isnt a definite sign they wil be good teeth either,mine have been totaly screwed since childhood due to severe dental flurorosis [caused by the fluoride from obsessive tooth paste eating,but thats another issue].


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭Dwork


    I'm still wondering how you insulate a mother. Going with pipe-lag right now, but a warm blanket might be better. Sounds sexy, either way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭Duck Soup


    I'd say that was one for the photo albumen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I was in a shop this morning there was about 5 people there including a woman with a toddler of about 3 in his buggy...he asked for a cream egg with were at his eye line his mother said no...he started to cry.. not scream or have a temper tantrum just a pityful cry of please mama please mama which quietened down to a sob....I just knew all of us in the Que were thinking I'll buy it for him! but of course his mother had said no and you can interfered with her disision...but an elderly man in the Que purchased two of them and gave the child one the motherer graciously accepted it and did not tell yer man to get lost.

    So would you have cracked particularity as the child was not bold or screaming I was just too afraid of insulating the mother by interfering.

    How did you insulate the mother, did u get a grant from electric Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    I would have brought one and ate it in front of the child. I am a bad person


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