Broadcasting charge will be levied on every home in the country

Anyone · 26-02-2013 10:33PM

ressem wrote: »

When it's unpaid will it still be a civil case against you (not criminal)?

And will it be levied against every small business in the state that currently have no television on the premises in the same manner? I.e. self employed having to pay twice for a never-viewed product.

Well details of non payment havent been issued, but would imagine it would have the same possibilites as the non payment of the TV licence(fines and/or prison)

Cant see it being aimed at business's, the article states its being levied on every home in the country.

Antar Bolaeisk · 26-02-2013 10:41PM

ressem wrote: »

When it's unpaid will it still be a civil case against you (not criminal)?

And will it be levied against every small business in the state that currently have no television on the premises in the same manner? I.e. self employed having to pay twice for a never-viewed product.

Should it be levied against businesses at all? If everyone is making their own contribution towards a public broadcast tax (which I'm actually slightly in favour of as I do believe public broadcasting is in the interest of the nation) why should a business property then pay as well if the business owner, all the employees and all the patrons already pay their own public broadcast tax.

monkeypants · 26-02-2013 10:47PM

lockon... wrote: »

Broadcasting Authority of Ireland levy – €1.75

BCI Sound and Vision fund – €10.53

What are these two and why is TG4 on the list twice?

wandatowell · 26-02-2013 10:57PM

Pat Rabbite wrote:

content are now available to everyone on an ever-increasing number of platforms and devices, and in fact access is not dependent on the ownership of a device

If you dont own a device how are you meant to access the content?

Will retailers ask for proof of a TV licence when they sell a tv?

Will eircom ask me for proof that I have paid my Broadcast Charge when (or more likely if) I renew my contract?

Will Emobile ask me for proof that I paid my Broadcast Charge when I renew my contract?

Labour, well done! Between Rabitte and Sherlock you have totally alienated me as a long term Labour voter.

ressem · 26-02-2013 10:59PM

Anyone wrote: »

Well details of non payment havent been issued, but would imagine it would have the same possibilites as the non payment of the TV licence(fines and/or prison)

Cant see it being aimed at business's, the article states its being levied on every home in the country.

As it stands I think prison is only for those who defy a court order to repay. If you heed the summons and demonstrate a genuine inability to pay then prison is not on the cards.

Bullseye1 · 26-02-2013 11:05PM

Protectionism of the worst kind. I hope these guys are obliterated in the next general election. They deserve it for lack of imagination and for finishing the job FFail started. These people don't represent the people of this country.

carpejugulum · 26-02-2013 11:32PM

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Protectionism of the worst kind. I hope these guys are obliterated in the next general election. They deserve it for lack of imagination and for finishing the job FFail started. These people don't represent the people of this country.

According to polls, people are replacing them with FF. It seems they represent them too well.

Capt'n Midnight · 26-02-2013 11:53PM

flanders1979 wrote: »

Hopefully its less than the current licence.
It should be considering the amount of people that get away without paying it as it stands

At least 10% evasion and the €12 million An Post get even with that level of evasion.

So should be ~ €26 cheaper

Akrasia · 26-02-2013 11:56PM

Does anyone know if RTE has recently broadcast even a single science and nature programme worth watching? (ear to the ground and would you believe don't count)

I would happily pay the BBC licence fee because of the David Attenborough and horizon series'. BBC regularly devotes prime time slots to local wildlife shows or astronomy and they have lectures and pop science shows. RTE are not a public service broadcaster.

Son Of A Vidic · 27-02-2013 12:05AM

Madam_X wrote: »

Misread as breastfeeding charge.

X amount of free mls allowed before charging? Install meters? Pay As You Suck?

SEPT 23 1989 · 27-02-2013 12:09AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Does anyone know if RTE has recently broadcast even a single science and nature programme worth watching? (ear to the ground and would you believe don't count)

I would happily pay the BBC licence fee because of the David Attenborough and horizon series'. BBC regularly devotes prime time slots to local wildlife shows or astronomy and they have lectures and pop science shows. RTE are not a public service broadcaster.

i would have no problem paying a fee for bbc 1.2,3 and 4 and bbc radio

worth every cent

demanufactured · 27-02-2013 12:15AM

Pat Rabbite can shove his broadcasting tax up his HOLE!

Mint Sauce · 27-02-2013 12:17AM

wandatowell wrote: »

If you dont own a device how are you meant to access the content?

Will retailers ask for proof of a TV licence when they sell a tv?

Will eircom ask me for proof that I have paid my Broadcast Charge when (or more likely if) I renew my contract?

Will Emobile ask me for proof that I paid my Broadcast Charge when I renew my contract?

Labour, well done! Between Rabitte and Sherlock you have totally alienated me as a long term Labour voter.

Your service providers probably already have your address, or will take your address when you sign up. Bill would probably be sent to you for charge, if payment not already received. Same would probably apply when buying a tv.

MadsL · 27-02-2013 12:34AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

i would have no problem paying a fee for bbc 1.2,3 and 4 and bbc radio

worth every cent

You would have to raise the licence fee to €1000 per head of population (man woman and child) to produce the 3.6bn GBP (€4.18bn) that the BBC raises.

Would you support a €4000 a year licence fee?

You want filet for oxtail prices, basically.

OctavarIan · 27-02-2013 12:45AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Just disband rte. Nobody wants it.

Except for the 2000-odd people who work there and the millions of people who tune in every day.

darkhorse · 27-02-2013 12:49AM

seamus wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/rabbitte-broadcasting-charge-will-be-levied-on-every-home-in-the-country-586197.html

I thought AH would love this. In principle, I don't really have any issue with this charge. Public broadcasts and public programming provide an essential civic and cultural function and need to be paid for.

A separate broadcasting charge seems ridiculous though. If everyone is to pay it, then why not just throw it onto the property tax? What is the public service obsession for duplication of effort and having hundreds of little charges instead of one or two big ones that cover everything?

They also need to restructure it massively. TG4 produce great programming on a fraction of RTE's budget. Instead, all broadcasters should be required to apply for access to public funding in return for devoting 30% of their time to home-produced content, another 30% to public service broadcasting, with a limit of 15 minutes of advertising in every hour.

And if RTE can't afford to pay Miriam, Joe, Kenny or Tubbs their ridiculous salaries, then let them feck off to the UK to find work and we'll have a good old laugh at them when they arrive back here with their tails between their legs, begging to be given €80k a year.
We have a massive pool of talented people here, we don't need to be paying some old hacks huge money for doing a mediocre job.

Nothing a government minister of this poxy country says in their endeavour to enslave the people financially surprises me anymore, Seamus. Mind you, there will be posters on this thread who will be delighted at the prospect of the citizens having to pay more taxes.

VinLieger · 27-02-2013 01:08AM

MadsL wrote: »

You would have to raise the licence fee to €1000 per head of population (man woman and child) to produce the 3.6bn GBP (€4.18bn) that the BBC raises.

Would you support a €4000 a year licence fee?

You want filet for oxtail prices, basically.

Pretty sure hes saying he'd rather just pay the BBC license fee instead of giving RTE another wasted cent, and i agree

MadsL · 27-02-2013 01:14AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Pretty sure hes saying he'd rather just pay the BBC license fee instead of giving RTE another wasted cent, and i agree

So do we cut RTE and outsource production to the BBC? Up the contribution level to the current BBC level - which would mean another €56 on top so a €216 licence fee.

darkhorse · 27-02-2013 01:37AM

irish-stew wrote: »

But just to add, the current licence fee is only between €150-160 a year. It unlikely this will be more.

Nothing is unlikely with this government. They are more dangerous now, as they know they have nothing to lose.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-02-2013 01:47AM

ScumLord wrote: »

If the money went into upgrading the broadband infrastructure I'd think it was of some merit

Don't get upset by the green eyed monster

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/24/france_universal_fibre_broadband_fund/

French president Francois Hollande wants to take the cable-cutters to the country’s copper, announcing EU20 billion ($AU25 billion) worth of broadband funding to be spent over the next ten years. His aim is to bring universal fibre-based broadband to the country.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-02-2013 02:25AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why does a national broadcaster need so many orchestras and choirs?

Do you not remember when we were winning Eurovision every second year ?

Carawaystick · 27-02-2013 02:26AM

MadsL wrote: »

To play music and sing stuff.

Some of us actually go and listen to them do that from time to time.

Aren't you the lucky lad that we pay to subsidise your listening.
If a musical group can't operate on a commercial basis, it should break up or carry on as a hobby. The state certainly shouldn't be jailing people for not subsidising your jollies

Capt'n Midnight · 27-02-2013 02:31AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Does anyone know if RTE has recently broadcast even a single science and nature programme worth watching? (ear to the ground and would you believe don't count)

I would happily pay the BBC licence fee because of the David Attenborough and horizon series'. BBC regularly devotes prime time slots to local wildlife shows or astronomy and they have lectures and pop science shows. RTE are not a public service broadcaster.

Attenborough is sold world wide so it doesn't cost anything to make since it pays for itself. RTE show it in HD don't you know.

A lot of the Horizon programs come from the PBS series Nova with a bit of editing and re-dubbing. Clue - see if they are talking to UK scientists

I still miss Equinox on Channel 4

RTE need an RTE Gold channel
To the Waters and the Wild needs to be re-seen

MadsL · 27-02-2013 04:16AM

Carawaystick wrote: »

Aren't you the lucky lad that we pay to subsidise your listening.
If a musical group can't operate on a commercial basis, it should break up or carry on as a hobby. The state certainly shouldn't be jailing people for not subsidising your jollies

This isn't a "musical group" - it is a National Orchestra not some wedding band. Do you think the Irish Soccer International Squad operate at a profit??

So why have an National Orchestra at all?

1. A stage for Irish Composers - new Irish composers would face an impossible struggle to get their works played by other orchestras.
2. A means of providing local employment for Irish musicians who otherwise would be forced out of the country to practice their craft.
3. A means of allowing Irish music students to hear serious music performed live.
4. As a means of welcoming international soloists to perform in this country, impossible without a resident orchestra.
5. As a means of providing orchestral music for State events such as the recent visit of Queen Elizabeth.
6. As a means of having the possibility to bring schoolchildren into an environment to educate about Classical Music in a live environment.
7. The NSO also regularly tour the country to bring live Classical Music to the regions.
8. Regional arts events are made possible such as the orchestra's participation in local composer Brian Irvine's opera "Shelter me from the Rain: an opera for Carlow", a large-scale public art commission by Carlow Local Authority that engaged over 100 people from all walks of life;
9. As a mechanism for recording Irish composers work on CD for release. Lyric FM has it's own record label. This would be impossible but for the NSO.
10. As a mechanism for enabling world premieres to be performed in Dublin of new international composers work. Without the NSO it would be impossible to hear such works live without leaving Ireland.

During 2011 the RTÉ Performing Groups presenting 231 live performances and
events to in excess of 200,000 people. Now you might consider that a small minority, yet is almost exactly the same total attendance number for the Irish Soccer International home attendances including travelling non-Irish fans. I guarantee you that the international ticket does not cover the costs and there is a State subsidy at play. The Irish Sports Council (ie the taxpayer) grant aided €3.4m to the FAI in 2011, even though the FAI is now operating a surplus in 2011 of €6m. The NSO pays no-one, not even the conductor the salary levels of in excess of €430,000 paid to the FAI chief executive.

Unless of course you want to argue that we should not bother with art and culture as a society and just become philistine in our national spending...but at that point I'll bow out of the debate thank you very much.

nice_very · 27-02-2013 04:51AM

register for the household charge they said... be grand they said.

so now we have another tax the database of registered households is being used for..

what will be next? clean air tax? city centre vehicle pollution tax? wear and tear on footpaths tax??

AlmightyCushion · 27-02-2013 04:53AM

MadsL wrote: »

During 2011 the RTÉ Performing Groups presenting 231 live performances and
events to in excess of 200,000 people. Now you might consider that a small minority, yet is almost exactly the same total attendance number for the Irish Soccer International home attendances including travelling non-Irish fans. I guarantee you that the international ticket does not cover the costs and there is a State subsidy at play. The Irish Sports Council (ie the taxpayer) grant aided €3.4m to the FAI in 2011, even though the FAI is now operating a surplus in 2011 of €6m. The NSO pays no-one, not even the conductor the salary levels of in excess of €430,000 paid to the FAI chief executive.

Unless of course you want to argue that we should not bother with art and culture as a society and just become philistine in our national spending...but at that point I'll bow out of the debate thank you very much.

That's a fairly ridiculous comparison. Football is one of the most popular sports in the country yet receives about 1/4 of what the Performance Groups get. There are plenty of people who have never been to an international game but still would watch them on TV. I imagine this would far outweigh the amount who would watch the National Orchestra perform on TV. Also, the FAI do a lot more than just the international squads. Yes plural, I don't know a heck of a lot about football but I know that there are women's teams and various age related squads too. There's the LOI which would have a fairly big following (don't know about any other teams but Sligo Rovers support has grown massively over the past few years but that may only be because they've started doing well).

I imagine there are all other sorts of national leagues and cups for women and different age groups just like the internationals and they'd also do something with schools too.

I'm not even what most would consider a football fan, I don't follow any teams and only really watch the Irish international games and even then I wouldn't even be that pushed on it, yet even I can see that it's a stupid comparison.

MadsL · 27-02-2013 05:13AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That's a fairly ridiculous comparison. Football is one of the most popular sports in the country yet receives about 1/4 of what the Performance Groups get. There are plenty of people who have never been to an international game but still would watch them on TV. I imagine this would far outweigh the amount who would watch the National Orchestra perform on TV. Also, the FAI do a lot more than just the international squads. Yes plural, I don't know a heck of a lot about football but I know that there are women's teams and various age related squads too. There's the LOI which would have a fairly big following (don't know about any other teams but Sligo Rovers support has grown massively over the past few years but that may only be because they've started doing well).

I imagine there are all other sorts of national leagues and cups for women and different age groups just like the internationals and they'd also do something with schools too.

I'm not even what most would consider a football fan, I don't follow any teams and only really watch the Irish international games and even then I wouldn't even be that pushed on it, yet even I can see that it's a stupid comparison.

How is it a stupid comparison? They have the same numbers of live audience. I'm arguing for retaining both. If the performing groups are shut down, then why not the soccer? Seems fair to me. Oh look, not everyone has the same interests. Quelle Suprise.

osarusan · 27-02-2013 05:19AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Also, the FAI do a lot more than just the international squads. Yes plural, I don't know a heck of a lot about football but I know that there are women's teams and various age related squads too. There's the LOI which would have a fairly big following (don't know about any other teams but Sligo Rovers support has grown massively over the past few years but that may only be because they've started doing well).

I imagine there are all other sorts of national leagues and cups for women and different age groups just like the internationals and they'd also do something with schools too.

I'm not even what most would consider a football fan, I don't follow any teams and only really watch the Irish international games and even then I wouldn't even be that pushed on it, yet even I can see that it's a stupid comparison.

In terms of LOI football clubs at least, you'd be hard pushed to find a LOI fan with anything other than hatred for the FAI, who do sweet **** all for the league.

smash · 27-02-2013 06:28AM

MadsL wrote: »

So do we cut RTE and outsource production to the BBC? Up the contribution level to the current BBC level - which would mean another €56 on top so a €216 licence fee.

Am I reading this the wrong way? Because
145.50 GBP = 168.36 EUR so it's only another €8 more.

MadsL · 27-02-2013 06:40AM

smash wrote: »

Am I reading this the wrong way? Because
145.50 GBP = 168.36 EUR so it's only another €8 more.

The contribution level in Ireland per head of population is 65% of the BBC figure.

The current UK licence is €168 but they contribute more per head of population to the BBC than the Irish contribute to RTE.

BBC = €66 per person
RTE = €43 per person

Make sense now?

Broadcasting charge will be levied on every home in the country

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