Is multiculturalism wanted??

Nodin · 23-02-2013 03:02PM

long range shooter wrote: »

ok you got me know,please tell me the answer:D

Because "race" =/= culture.

long range shooter · 23-02-2013 03:08PM

Nodin wrote: »

Because "race" =/= culture.

yes its all starting to make sense all of a sudden

Lucy and Harry · 23-02-2013 04:56PM

We could have a poll and see what is the outcome.See exactly what amount wants it and who does not then we can use this as our guide.Obviously we do not represent Ireland but Polls the government use would be less reliable

Pherekydes · 23-02-2013 05:07PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

We could have a poll and see what is the outcome.See exactly what amount wants it and who does not then we can use this as our guide.Obviously we do not represent Ireland but Polls the government use would be less reliable

If you're thinking of commissioned polls, they would be far more reliable because the polling companies take care to make their samples representative.

Lucy and Harry · 23-02-2013 05:23PM

I never get asked by them to vote.Have you ? I have never met anybody either who has.I think they just make them up to be honest lol

Dwork · 23-02-2013 11:27PM

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

I never get asked by them to vote.Have you ? I have never met anybody either who has.I think they just make them up to be honest lol

Who's this now? The immigrants? Or the pollsters? Never, ever, once, not never, been polled as to my opinion on anything. I think they select 1000 pensioners in Ballsbridge and ask them.

Dyr · 24-02-2013 03:43PM

hooradiation wrote: »

Wrong.
I'm saying that the process of change is a constant

ehh wrong this is your direct quote.

"Given that change is a constant process"

You've been asked to back that up in this instance and you're back pedalling, like every other point you've wriggled on.

Johro · 24-02-2013 05:38PM

Bambi wrote: »

I'm trying to think of a western country ruled by religious fanatics where religious doctrine dictates civil law. Nope I can't think of any. So no, they are not the same, my pedigree chum.

Really? I'm your 'chum'? I don't think so. I f#ckin hate condescension.

Dyr · 24-02-2013 06:07PM

Johro wrote: »

Really? I'm your 'chum'? I don't think so. I f#ckin hate condescension.

I hate trite comparisons but I struggle on

Grand Moff Tarkin · 24-02-2013 06:55PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nothing to do with this thread.

So you are refusing to answer his question..... Interesting.

Johro · 24-02-2013 07:06PM

Bambi wrote: »

I hate trite comparisons but I struggle on

There's a lot to hate in this thread alone then. Never mind, you'll struggle on. Just don't be patronising while you're at it. I'll argue facts alright.

Nodin · 24-02-2013 07:39PM

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

So you are refusing to answer his question..... Interesting.

I'm not a teacher, nor do I intend indulging some thread derailing nonsense. There's a number of pages on the internet that detail the reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Irish_language

Would you care to explain what he couldn't? What has the Irish language to do with "multiculturalism"?

Grand Moff Tarkin · 24-02-2013 07:46PM

Nodin wrote: »

I'm not a teacher, nor do I intend indulging some thread derailing nonsense. There's a number of pages on the internet that detail the reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Irish_language

Would you care to explain what he couldn't? What has the Irish language to do with "multiculturalism"?

Just for myself absolutely nothing. I am out of school twenty plus years now and i have never needed to speak Irish in any of my dealings and business opportunities around the globe. Also thanks for posting up the link.

old hippy · 26-02-2013 01:39PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Culture changes all the time, I dont know how you define "our Culture" to begin with.

Indeed. Culture is in a constant state of flux, as is human migration. The Ireland of a hundred years time will be a far, far different place than today. I hope by then, our childrens children will be able to access threads like these and have a good giggle at the lunacy of some of the comments here. Because that's sometimes the only response you can give to some of the usual suspects here.

Dyr · 26-02-2013 03:21PM

old hippy wrote: »

Indeed. Culture is in a constant state of flux, as is human migration. The Ireland of a hundred years time will be a far, far different place than today. I hope by then, our childrens children will be able to access threads like these and have a good giggle at the lunacy of some of the comments here. Because that's sometimes the only response you can give to some of the usual suspects here.

Really? Take a look at the migration patterns in Ireland over say the last 200 hundred years. See if you can spot anything odd.

LincolnsBeard · 26-02-2013 03:42PM

Nobody wants it, but you're still going to get it.

Death and Taxes · 26-02-2013 03:45PM

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Nobody wants it, but you're still going to get it.

Nobody, really? mmm not sure about that.

Death and Taxes · 26-02-2013 03:51PM

Bambi wrote: »

Really? Take a look at the migration patterns in Ireland over say the last 200 hundred years. See if you can spot anything odd.

Take a look at Ireland over the last 200 years, see if you can spot something odd!
We now have the horseless carraige, telephone,interweb,motorways,industry,electricity.
We no longer jail people because of their sexuality, are no longer dominated by the superstition that is the church,we no longer lock away women in laundries, we can buy johnnies almost anywhere, and few books are banned.
And thankfully, largely down to immigration and the influences it has brought we are less insular and myopic society.
Thats called progress,it is largely a good thing you should look it up sometime!

Get Real · 26-02-2013 04:01PM

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Nobody wants it, but you're still going to get it.

nobody wants it? care to explain why? I mean is that to say you'd prefer a mono-cultural ireland?

LincolnsBeard · 26-02-2013 04:06PM

Get Real wrote: »

nobody wants it? care to explain why? I mean is that to say you'd prefer a mono-cultural ireland?

Multiculturalism is not the mere existence of other cultural influences existing in a nation. It's where the predominant culture is undermined and belittled in the interest of fairness and tolerance of all cultures.

It fragments the community at large. From my personal experience, nobody benefits from it.

Death and Taxes · 26-02-2013 04:08PM

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Multiculturalism is not the mere existence of other cultural influences existing in a nation. It's where the predominant culture is undermined and belittled in the interest of fairness and tolerance of all cultures.

It fragments the community at large. From my personal experience, nobody benefits from it.

No it isn't, and piss poor progaganda attempt by you there!
Reads like something one would read on a BNP webpage!

Sarky · 26-02-2013 04:17PM

I like Japanese food. Am I undermining Ireland's integrity?

Get Real · 26-02-2013 04:24PM

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

It's where the predominant culture is undermined and belittled in the interest of fairness and tolerance of all cultures.

It fragments the community at large. From my personal experience, nobody benefits from it.

I disagree. Taking the Irish culture to be the predominant one, how are other cultures belittling ours?

I don't believe it fragments the community. What fragments the community is a fear of the unknown, a fear of other cultures with which we are not familiar.

For example, during the 1960s in the United States a white child may have been brought up to not associate with African Americans. The child is too innocent to understand why, he/she just does as their parents do, and that child grows up to seperate themselves from certain cultures.

The same can be said for Catholics/Protestants in NI and "Peace Walls" that were subsequently built, the Aryan movement and Jews(as well as other cultures) in Nazi Germany, the Berlin Wall which seperated families for years, the Apartheid regime up until the 1990s.

All of these are examples where a failure to embrace other cultures has resulted in a fragmented community.

Multiculturalism allows us to be closer as a community. We try new foods, learn about customs, learn to respect other peoples beliefs or values even though we might not necessarily believe them.

Without multiculturalism, barriers could not be broken, we would not see GAA being played in New York or Britain or Australia. We would not see exotic foods being sold in Ireland. We would miss out on an awful lot in the world. We would be closed off, inefficient and ignorant. Blind to the progression of the world around us.

old hippy · 26-02-2013 04:47PM

Sarky wrote: »

I like Japanese food. Am I undermining Ireland's integrity?

I met my Japanese wife in Ireland. God only knows how I've contributed to the nation's downfall :rolleyes:

old hippy · 26-02-2013 04:53PM

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Multiculturalism is not the mere existence of other cultural influences existing in a nation. It's where the predominant culture is undermined and belittled in the interest of fairness and tolerance of all cultures.

It fragments the community at large. From my personal experience, nobody benefits from it.

How is Irish culture being undermined, specifically? Multiculturalism is not about one culture taking precedence over another. You have a very negative spin on it. Hardly fair or tolerant of you.

bootybouncer · 26-02-2013 04:55PM

Drive into at tryrellstown in dublin 15 when the schools are getting off...............................the plains of africa

old hippy · 26-02-2013 05:00PM

bootybouncer wrote: »

Drive into at tryrellstown in dublin 15 when the schools are getting off...............................the plains of africa

No, it's not. It's a mixed community. I have family there.

bootybouncer · 26-02-2013 05:03PM

old hippy wrote: »

No, it's not. It's a mixed community. I have family there.

Very mixed....would you say its a harmonious environment ???? No way no how.......................this will be a major ghetto in about 5 years

Dyr · 26-02-2013 05:28PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Take a look at Ireland over the last 200 years, see if you can spot something odd!
We now have the horseless carraige, telephone,interweb,motorways,industry,electricity.
We no longer jail people because of their sexuality, are no longer dominated by the superstition that is the church,we no longer lock away women in laundries, we can buy johnnies almost anywhere, and few books are banned.
And thankfully, largely down to immigration and the influences it has brought we are less insular and myopic society.
Thats called progress,it is largely a good thing you should look it up sometime!

So we now have jonnies thanks to the polish or is the chinese?

Comparing apples to oranges is one thing but then claiming that apples now taste nicer due to the importation of oranges? Get off the stage man

Our current levels of immigration do not have a precedent in our modern history other than the plantations perhaps, and we've seen how well that worked out :P

Whether its a bad or good thing is not the issue, the issue is the dishonesty of people who claim that drastic demographic shifts have been the norm throughout our history.

old hippy · 26-02-2013 05:28PM

bootybouncer wrote: »

Very mixed....would you say its a harmonious environment ???? No way no how.......................this will be a major ghetto in about 5 years

Lies and scaremongering. Apart from the racist murder of Toyosi a few years back it's pretty harmonious. My niece and nephew have friends with and school with people from all over. The local church is completely mixed and most people rub along just fine. The only negativity comes from people such as yourself.

Here in London. I live on a street with people from all over the world, many different colours and creeds. It's not a ghetto and neither is Tyrellstown back home.

Is multiculturalism wanted??

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