Free Legal Aid - John O'Mahoney

ScumLord · 21-02-2013 08:32PM

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

My stance is if a crime merits a prison sentence then either the perp. goes to prison or the crime is designated as not a jail-able offence.

It's just plain stupid.

But it's not, you can have that ideal but putting it into practice is much more difficult, in the real world you just have to make compromises.

There's also the fact sending someone to jail does nothing to benefit anyone. If anything it has been shown to just make the problem worse.

Bloody*Mary · 21-02-2013 08:36PM

ScumLord wrote: »

But it's not, you can have that ideal but putting it into practice is much more difficult, in the real world you just have to make compromises.

There's also the fact sending someone to jail does nothing to benefit anyone. If anything it has been shown to just make the problem worse.

Regrettably this has nothing to do with John O'Mahoney or the issue being discussed.

Apologies if i don't wish to get involved in any further off-topic stuff.

Rgds.

mikom · 21-02-2013 08:39PM

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

Regrettably this has nothing to do with John O'Mahoney or the issue being discussed.

Apologies if i don't wish to get involved in any further off-topic stuff.

Rgds.

O' Mahoney would want to have a read of this thread to be fair.
A few fact to leaven his bluster.

Bloody*Mary · 21-02-2013 08:41PM

mikom wrote: »

O' Mahoney would want to have a read of this thread to be fair.
A few fact to leaven his bluster.

I take it you don't agree with his views on the free legal aid issue then?.

I would certainly feel that the system needs to be examined with a view to lessening the burden on the taxpayer.

Do you not share that view?

mikom · 21-02-2013 08:47PM

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

I take it you don't agree with his views on the free legal aid issue then?.

I would certainly feel that the system needs to be examined with a view to lessening the burden on the taxpayer.

Do you not share that view?

Legal aid needs to be re-examined...... yes.
O' Mahoney is still full of bluster though.
You'd get better facts and figures to back the free legal aid issue thrown at you from the pages of boards.ie.
That tells me that Td's and their advisers pay should be examined, and also how fit for office an ex-Gaa manager and property seller during the boom is.

Bloody*Mary · 21-02-2013 08:52PM

mikom wrote: »

Legal aid needs to be re-examined...... yes.
O' Mahoney is still full of bluster though.
You'd get better facts and figures to back the free legal aid issue thrown at you from the pages of boards.ie.
That tells me that Td's and their advisers pay should be examined and also how fit an ex-Gaa manager and property seller during the boom is fit for office.

OK that's fair enough.

O'mahoney should have been better prepared this morning that's for sure.

Now you obviously don't like O'Mahoney and I am not in a position to counter your points, so cannot comment on that.

I do agree that TDs pay and expenses needs to be examined too, not on this thread though.

You make some very good points.

mikom · 21-02-2013 08:55PM

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

You make some very good points.

Imagine what I'd be like if I had an adviser.....

Are you up for it?

Royal Legend · 21-02-2013 09:16PM

Bloody*Mary wrote: »

OK that's fair enough.

O'mahoney should have been better prepared this morning that's for sure.

Now you obviously don't like O'Mahoney and I am not in a position to counter your points, so cannot comment on that.

I do agree that TDs pay and expenses needs to be examined too, not on this thread though.

You make some very good points.

Do you think he is just pandering to the masses, keeping his name in the news? Or do you think he was genuine?

Personally, I like the man, good manager as well. But I really think that he has either been sold a pup and won a seat in Mayo based on his GAA reputation or else, he just went for the handy life of a well paid back bench politician.

catallus · 21-02-2013 09:30PM

Isn't pandering to the masses what politicians do anyway? If he is even slightly serious about what he's saying someone should have a word in his ear and tell him to back off, in the interest of self-preservation. He's playing with serious fire and those with an interest in keeping the carousel rolling have it stitched up so tight that you can't even shake a stick at it!

Bloody*Mary · 22-02-2013 10:50AM

Royal Legend wrote: »

Do you think he is just pandering to the masses, keeping his name in the news? Or do you think he was genuine?

Personally, I like the man, good manager as well. But I really think that he has either been sold a pup and won a seat in Mayo based on his GAA reputation or else, he just went for the handy life of a well paid back bench politician.

Not sure, I'll cut him some slack and say genuine.

This farce definitely needs 'looking at'...among other things.

Wouldn't be too easy though as a lot of snouts in the trough.

the culture of deference · 22-02-2013 12:57PM

When I worked in the DC there was a girl from ballymun who had earned her solicitor over 60,000 euro over a 5 year period in FLA.

AlekSmart · 22-02-2013 01:34PM

the culture of deference wrote: »

When I worked in the DC there was a girl from ballymun who had earned her solicitor over 60,000 euro over a 5 year period in FLA.

Such occurences would not be unusual in the current system at all.

There would also be quite a bit of "strategic financial management"practiced within the various elements of the representatives to ensure that no one person/practice flies too close to the sun,thereby attracting the withering gaze of those paying for the thing.

Some of the sharpest legal minds can be found in and around the DC's and CC's of this land,with most of them never having gotten within an asses roar of the Law Library....:)

Bloody*Mary · 22-02-2013 07:05PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Such occurences would not be unusual in the current system at all.

There would also be quite a bit of "strategic financial management"practiced within the various elements of the representatives to ensure that no one person/practice flies too close to the sun,thereby attracting the withering gaze of those paying for the thing.

Some of the sharpest legal minds can be found in and around the DC's and CC's of this land,with most of them never having gotten within an asses roar of the Law Library....:)

That last paragraph is not wrong.

kraggy · 22-02-2013 07:45PM

100200 shih wrote: »

At the time of the Swiss girls murder , he was out on bail for raping another girl:mad:

He was on bail for attacking his girlfriend, not raping the French girl, but it's irrelevant.

He shouldn't have been out on the streets due to his previous, including the death of Colm Phelan in 1999.

What's equally as sickening as having killed Manuela while on bail for assaulting his girlfriend, is that when Colm Phelan died, he had just been released early from an 18 month sentence for damage to property.

More infuriating still is that, shortly after he was sent to prison for the murder of Manuela, he was sentenced to 2 life terms for the rape of the French girl.

But these are to run CONCURRENTLY with his sentence for the Manuela case. So, even though responsible for:

A. The death of Colm Phelan
B. The rape of the French girl
C. The rape and murder of Manuela

..he could be out in 10 years, having served 4 thus far.

And for 2 of those of those cases, he shouldn't have even been on the streets.

kupus · 22-02-2013 08:15PM

Law and order should be the focal point of every (so called) developed country, and just like the banking crisis how is that possible when you have vested interests lobbying successive governments day in day out.

Repeat offenders make for repeat business, without repeat offenders that creates a cashflow problem for these vested interests, the lawyers. Thats the lawyers problem not mine.
Like any other business create more streams of income, one that doesnt put the lives of the countries citizens at stake.

Because I dont like saying this, but someday in the future it will be your daughters or your sons life thats at stake.

space_man · 24-02-2013 01:57AM

mikom wrote: »

You go building mega prisons on the cheap due to tight economic times, and you will be going down the road of the "prison business".
A money racket, where prisoners are raw material............ and ya know businesses gotta keep getting their raw materials.

America has got it right unlike us.
If you commit a serious crime (eg serious assault/attempted murder) in America and are convicted you can look forward to a 20 or 30 year stretch. Over here you'll get a slap on the wrist and be out again after 3 or 4 years.
As a law abiding citizen, I know which system I prefer.

If such a system means more prisons to house the scum, then so be it.

Bloody*Mary · 24-02-2013 10:22AM

space_man wrote: »

America has got it right unlike us.
If you commit a serious crime (eg serious assault/attempted murder) in America and are convicted you can look forward to a 20 or 30 year stretch. Over here you'll get a slap on the wrist and be out again after 3 or 4 years.
As a law abiding citizen, I know which system I prefer.

If such a system means more prisons to house the scum, then so be it.

Absolutely, the one thing that gives the justice system a bad name is the 'blind eye' syndrome,which we are so fond of in this country.

Small example, go to most beaches in this country and you will probably see numerous signs about penalties for dogs fouling the area and the very hefty fines the owners will have to pay if convicted.

Have you ever heard of prosecutions in that area ,yet I see piles of dog-doo

on the grass surrounding the signs.

WTF!! either enforce the thing better or take them down.

Worse of all is owners abandoning the poo-bags when near the car, thus ensuring the matter remains in situ for weeks.

Not the most serious crime I admit, but there has to be more consistency if people have to respect the law.

Not the same group of offenders turnining up month after month wasting taxpayers money.

Hit them where it hurts, and that's not prison, it's in the pocket.

space_man · 24-02-2013 11:52PM

i was watching CBS Reality on TV last night. some guy shot, stabbed and raped a woman who somehow survived. (she was blinded as the bullet took out both her eyes)
he was given 106 years in prison. here he would probably get 15 years and be out after 10, whereas in America he will serve all of his sentence ie that scumbag will die in prison.

i personally would love to see such sentences handed down in our system. given what that poor lady went through, that is what i call justice!

Royal Legend · 25-02-2013 10:21AM

The debate has gone a bit off topic,

What I will say is that imo there has been more discussion on this thead about this sublect then there ever will be by Jonno or his mates. Which is exactly what these people want, start a debate that deflects from what is really going on.

25-02-2013 11:18AM

Royal Legend wrote: »

The debate has gone a bit off topic,

What I will say is that imo there has been more discussion on this thead about this sublect then there ever will be by Jonno or his mates. Which is exactly what these people want, start a debate that deflects from what is really going on.

Agreed.
On the 'Morning Ireland' interview I heard, John O'Mahony sounded like he had something really important to say, unfortunately he couldn't quite remember what it was.

homerjay2005 · 25-02-2013 11:30AM

kupus wrote: »

Free legal aid is a money spinner for lawyers and judges, its a sham.

this is a huge part of it, this country is rotten to the core. first thing is why on earth dont the government hire young, newly qualified solicitors as direct employees on a fixed salary and get rid of contract solicitors for cases like these?

ill tell you why, cos we have one of the most propaganda driven legal set ups in europe, where the people involved are the most highely paid in the world.

there is a very simple solution to all of this - everybody gets a chance to be proven innocent and if your found giulty the first time, your getting free legal aid. however, if you come in as a repeat offender and are found guilty, then the money is taken from your social welfare payments until its paid off.

the problem is, that the country doesnt have the balls or intellegence to be able to implement it.

Royal Legend · 27-02-2013 11:08PM

An example of another one of them is Brendan Griffin

"A Fine Gael TD for Kerry is urging the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs to extend a formal invitation to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to visit Ireland.

Brendan Griffin told Eamon Gilmore that believes a visit by the Royal couple could help boost the number of tourists visiting Ireland from the UK.

He says he reckons a trip would build on the strong relations that exist between this island and Britain.

"William and Kate are a hugely popular couple across the world, and I have no doubt that they would receive a very warm welcome if they came to Irish shores" Mr. Griffin said.

'Positive response' from the Tánaiste

"The United Kingdom is our closest international neighbour and remains our most important tourism market; people from the UK made more than 2.7 million visits to Ireland last year".

"A visit from William and Kate could help to encourage more British visitors to come here and experience all that Ireland has to offer".

"The Gathering provides the perfect opportunity to issue a formal State invitation to the couple, and I hope it could be issued sooner rather than later" he added.

He says he was also encouraged by the positive response he received from the Tánaiste, who said the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge would be very welcome to visit Ireland in the context of the close ties that exist between Britain and Ireland.

On the day the Croke park 2 deal is announced, we have this fool speaking complete bollix about why we should invite William and Kate to Ireland. ??????????????? why ????????????????????? Even better he wants them to come to Kerry. Where do these fools come from.

Yet again, to stress my original post, smokescreen politics from Fine Gael

Free Legal Aid - John O'Mahoney

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