UK teen commits suicide after being brought to court over 50p of cannabis

Chuck Stone · 23-02-2013 11:19PM

Corkbah wrote: »

you see it as a plant,

Em.. it is a plant. It doesn't need to be refined like more potent drugs. You smoke the plant itself.

some see it as a gateway drug

Prove it.

as I have said...if you feel strongly for the legalisation ... run for election - change the law.

A number of US states are moving toward legalisation of weed - hopefully this is a bellwether of things to come. The problem with your delightfully naive 'change the law' solution is that powerful forces can come together to retain their privileges (alcohol, pharma, law enforcement) and subvert the democratic process.

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:20PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

If marijuana was truly legalized and produced at a commercial scale it would cost around $30-40USD for a pound of high quality marijuana. You can only tax something so much before you create a black market like there is with cigarettes. There is only a lot of tax money to made from marijuana as long as it is not fully legalized like the grey area in the US where it is now legal in some states but illegal under federal law.

Even if legalized you would still be arresting people for things like driving under the influence or public use. It would still be illegal for people to possess while underage. People would still be violating probation by using marijuana while on probation.

What are you on about 30-40 USDollars? where did you get them stas from

It would cost the same as any other plant to grow maybe a tiny bit more due to heating/ventalation but the quantity/demand would cut that back so thats wrong FACT
As for probation drug driving and all that - thats all dealt with through normal Garda duties

Corkbah · 23-02-2013 11:22PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Em.. it is a plant. It doesn't need to be refined like more potent drugs. You smoke the plant itself.

Prove it.

A number of US states are moving toward legalisation of weed - hopefully this is a bellwether of things to come. The problem with your delightfully naive 'change the law' solution is that powerful forces can come together to retain their privileges (alcohol, pharma, law enforcement) and subvert the democratic process.

I dont need to prove anything - I made a statement that you see it as a plant because you referred to it as a plant, I said that others see it as a gateway drug (its a commonly referred to opinion)

As I have said earlier in the thread I would see no problem with personal usage for weed - but then again ... I dont make the laws or enforce them ...so I'll happily live out my life within the law.

E.S.T. · 23-02-2013 11:23PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

What ate you on about 30-40 USDollars? where did you get them stas from
It would cost the same as any other plant to grow maybe a tiny bit more due to heating/ventalation but the quantity/demand would cut that back so thats wrong FACT
As for probation drug driving and all that - thats all dealt with through normal Garda duties

Book published by researchers from RAND Corporation a few months ago

Marijuana Legalization - Caulkins, Hawken, Kilmer, and Kleiman (2012)

juice1304 · 23-02-2013 11:23PM

Corkbah wrote: »

1988 + 5 = 1994 ?? maths not a strong point

I do take your point, In Ireland it was once considered illegal to be gay. (I didn't know it but nonetheless ...it doesn't deter from the fact ...kid killed himself - and people are blaming the police and not saying the kid is at fault.

in the 1992–1994 Fianna Fáil—Labour coalition government included decriminalisation with an equal age of consent (an equal age of consent was not required by the ECHR ruling) in a Bill to deal with various sexual offences.

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:27PM

Corkbah wrote: »

others see it as a gateway drug (its a commonly referred to opinion) .

Because you have to buy it from a drug dealer in a dark ally and if he has no weed but "I have dese tabs dats just like the weed buzz" - is how it leads to other drugs
Legalize weed/hash and cut out the drug dealer and its no longer a gateway drug

E.S.T. · 23-02-2013 11:30PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Because you have to buy it from a drug dealer in a dark ally and if he has no weed but "I have dese tabs dats just like the weed buzz" - is how it leads to other drugs
Legalize weed/hash and cut out the drug dealer and its no longer a gateway drug

But kids are still going to have to get marijuana from these type of sources even if it was legalized unless they have adults to purchase it for them.

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:31PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

Book published by researchers from RAND Corporation a few months ago

Marijuana Legalization - Caulkins, Hawken, Kilmer, and Kleiman (2012)

Yeah but sounds like thats the USA to me were in Ireland stats costs and surveys aren't the same as the US

juice1304 · 23-02-2013 11:34PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

But kids are still going to have to get marijuana from these type of sources even if it was legalized unless they have adults to purchase it for them.

Do kids go down allies to the beer dealer? And when he has no beer he says hey why don't you try this bottle of whiskey I have it'll get you drunk like beer.
No they don't, you can't prevent them from purchase it if it is unregulated.
When i was younger it was easier to buy drugs than it was beer.

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:34PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

But kids are still going to have to get marijuana from these type of sources even if it was legalized unless they have adults to purchase it for them.

If you could buy weed or hash legally within 1 month there would be no street dealers of hash or weed - why would there be?

It would be like going to Amsterdam tomorrow and buying weed on the streets???

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2013 11:35PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

Book published by researchers from RAND Corporation a few months ago

In conjunction with the Reverse Vampires I take it?

E.S.T. · 23-02-2013 11:37PM

juice1304 wrote: »

Do kids go down allies to the beer dealer? And when he has no beer he says hey why don't you try this bottle of whiskey I have it'll get you drunk like beer.
No they don't, you can't prevent them from purchase it if it is unregulated.
When i was younger it was easier to buy drugs than it was beer.

dickwod1 wrote: »

If you could buy weed or hash legally within 1 month there would be no street dealers of hash or weed - why would there be?

It would be like going to Amsterdam and buying weed on the streets

Kids will take what they can get their hands on. If it is easier to get hard drugs instead of weed or beer then that is what they will get.

23-02-2013 11:37PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Because you have to buy it from a drug dealer in a dark ally and if he has no weed but "I have dese tabs dats just like the weed buzz" - is how it leads to other drugs
Legalize weed/hash and cut out the drug dealer and its no longer a gateway drug

How many films are you basing these ideas on?

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:39PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

Kids will take what they can get their hands on. If it is easier to get hard drugs instead of weed or beer then that is what they will get.

OMG - dont legalize weed it will lead to kids taking heroin because they cant get weed any more PMSL

E.S.T. · 23-02-2013 11:40PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

OMG - dont legalize weed it will lead to kids taking heroin because they cant get weed any more PMSL

Yea because that is what I said....

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:43PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

Kids will take what they can get their hands on. If it is easier to get hard drugs instead of weed or beer then that is what they will get.
Yea because that is what I said....

I know

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How many films are you basing these ideas on?

Just 1 troll film about a troll who likes to be fed - but I refuse to feed him - the end

juice1304 · 23-02-2013 11:52PM

carrig2 wrote: »

How much is ok to steal from someone before it is serious?
How much can someone hit someone else before it crosses the line between ok and not ok?

Both of your examples involve doing something to another person. Smoking a joint affects no one other than the person smoking it. So your point is mute.

E.S.T. · 23-02-2013 11:53PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

I know

I was answering your claim that legalizing marijuana would take kids out of the grip of drug dealers in dark allies. Kids would not be able to legally buy marijuana even if legalized and unless they had an adult willing to buy for them then it would still be easier to buy drugs from a drug dealer.

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:55PM

The mad thing is you can smoke a cigarette drink a drink and then jump out of an aeroplane and thats ok - smoke a joint while watching a movie and your a criminal

E.S.T. · 23-02-2013 11:56PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

The mad thing is you can smoke a cigarette drink a drink and then jump out of an aeroplane and thats ok - smoke a joint while watching a movie and your a criminal

How are you going to get arrested smoking a joint while watching a movie if you are inside your home?

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:56PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

I was answering your claim that legalizing marijuana would take kids out of the grip of drug dealers in dark allies.

I never mentioned kids you did and I answered

E.S.T. · 23-02-2013 11:58PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

I never mentioned kids you did and I answered

What adult buys weed in an alleyway?

23-02-2013 11:58PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Just 1 troll film about a troll who likes to be fed - but I refuse to feed him - the end

Preferred Troll 2 myself, the lack of trolls really made it.

dickwod1 · 23-02-2013 11:59PM

E.S.T. wrote: »

How are you going to get arrested smoking a joint while watching a movie if you are inside your home?

Because you have to buy it ilegally and bring it home chance to get arrested - but i never said arrested it said im a criminal ie. commiting a criminal offence

Big Bottom · 24-02-2013 12:02AM

Weed turns people into paranoid losers who think they are cool.
Its also very dangerous for mental health, especially young kids.
It should stay banned.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:04AM

E.S.T. wrote: »

What adult buys weed in an alleyway?

Why where do you buy your weed in front of your kids in the middle of the road?

I was highlighting the fact of the underground illegal nature of it not the "actual spot" its sold

juice1304 · 24-02-2013 12:05AM

catallus wrote: »

With all of the well publicised pain and misery that is brought about by the main legal drug, alcohol, I can't understand why so many are eager for cannabis to be legalised. If one figures that legalised hash won't bring more untold chaos and destruction to society then all I can say is that they have truly lost any perspective on the potential of people to harm themselves. The reason certain substances are illegal is to protect people from themselves; it is a hard-learned lesson over hundreds of years that people will drink and smoke themselves to death given half a chance and I for one am glad that we live in a society which has the decency to try to protect the young and the idiots among us who are so emotionally and intellectually incontinent that they would dope themselves up with the nearest drug given half a chance.

It is their choice what they do with their lives tell me this and i would ask that you research your answer before coming back with some nonsence answer. How many peoples deaths can be attributed to smoking cannabis?
And tell me how putting someone into prison where it is easy to get drugs is a good idea. How do they benefit from this?

So you think people should have their decisions made for them? What about morbidly obese people they know the health risks as a result of their diet, they know they are going to probably die of diabetes, stroke, heart attack etc.. Should they be banned from eating fast food?
Their life choices will be more of a burden on the health care system more than any drug, they are more likely to die young because of it too. Maybe we should just imprison them to save them from themselves.

E.S.T. · 24-02-2013 12:08AM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Because you have to buy it ilegally and bring it home chance to get arrested - but i never said arrested it said im a criminal ie. commiting a criminal offence

You could of getting it for free from a friend who brought it to your house.

dickwod1 wrote: »

Why where do you buy your weed in front of your kids in the middle of the road?

I was highlighting the fact of the underground illegal nature of it not the "actual spot" its sold

Adults typically have cars, apartments, etc. They don't have to hang around alleyways.

dickwod1 · 24-02-2013 12:09AM

Like I wonder how many people are actually drinking alcohol right now while reading this
It's ok for one drug that killls, costs billions in policing, a&e and long term illness and addiction - but are still anti weed

UK teen commits suicide after being brought to court over 50p of cannabis

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