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My sister (also bridesmaid) decides she cant afford to come to our wedding.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    Believe me I understand the cost factor. I mean my BIL to be and his wife and child are coming from Canada! But there are 3 brothers and they have all paid their own travel expenses to attend each others wedding, so they dont mind paying to come to ours.

    Id love to offer to subsidise her travel costs but I cant just magic the money from nowhere. We have already cut corners, like not having a professional photographer. No professional make up and hair etc.
    We also tried to go with a venue that has good value accommodation.

    On top of all of that I really dont think money is the actual issue.

    Hopefully my dad will be able to dig a little deeper and see what the issue really is. If they simply dont want to come then fine. I wouldnt really understand that but I cant force them to come.

    Surely if you are that close you can ask her yourself? It seems really strange to me that you wouldn't just come right out and ask your sister what's the story. You are close enough to be upset that she is not coming, but not close enough to ask why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    ...........................
    It would seem, after speaking to her again last night, they are now considering coming to the civil ceremony a few days before the wedding. .....................

    The civil ceremony is the actual wedding and the important part where you actually get married. The Handfast is not legally binding and is only a party. If your sister is willing to travel over for the civil ceremony she is attending your wedding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    I already posted a couple of pages back that I asked her specifically if there were any other reasons why she wouldn't come, if there was an issue with not inviting my mum, and she said no not at all.

    Boombastic, as far as we are concerned the civil ceremony is an administrative task.
    For us, our handfasting ceremony is the time when we "declare our love" for each other infront of family and friends and celebrate together. That is more important to us than fulfilling the legal requirements. I want to share that day with my family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭Karen23


    I have 4 sisters and would be devastated if one of them couldn't make my wedding. If it was one of their weddings I would beg , borrow or steal (not literally steal ) to be there for them especially if I knew a year in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Beruthiel wrote: »

    So, if she cannot come, ask her to confirm that as you will need to find another bridesmaid.
    Don't loose any sleep over it.
    It's really no big deal.

    Her one and only sister can't come to her wedding and "it's no big deal". Seriously?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 OKvintage


    I'm so surprised that people think its no big deal if your sister cant make it to your wedding (when she's been involved in planning all along and has had dresses bought for her) The poor OP - I think its very sad - not that I have any advise to give either - just to say I agree with you that declaring your love in front of family and friends is what a wedding is all about (thats what I think anyway) - Ive never thought of a wedding invitation as a summons and have absolutely loved every wedding Ive been to (civil or church) but maybe Im lucky to have been invited to weddings of people I really love!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 OKvintage


    I mean I understand that sometimes wedding plans dont suit all siblings - a very good friend of mine is in a difficult situation as her brother's fiance is planning a wedding abroad which there's no way she and her family can afford and she's very sad that she mightn't see him get married, but she's straight up let that be known - Im surprised that a sister & bridesmaid who has been involved in plans and dress shopping etc cant go now - I can understand why OP would feel disappointed by that!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    I presume you are paying for her dress and the flower girls/page boys clothes?
    it is also traditional for you to pay for the bridesmaids room so maybe stretch to a family room or if their are holiday homes onsite one of them for the family?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    Moonbeam wrote: »
    I presume you are paying for her dress and the flower girls/page boys clothes?
    it is also traditional for you to pay for the bridesmaids room so maybe stretch to a family room or if their are holiday homes onsite one of them for the family?

    Yes I've paid for her dress and have already paid for and received felt and button flower bouquets for bridesmaids and the 2 flower girls.
    I have not yet offered to pay for their rooms. I know people are saying its traditional but I was bridesmaid at a couple of wedding in England and I had to pay my own accomodation. When I was bridesmaid for my friend who is also going to be my bridesmaid, she bought my dress and that was it. I thought that was fine though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭Gatica


    yes it is fine and perfectly acceptable not to pay for rooms. I think people are making these suggestions in case it would help your sister's situation (if it's true) and thus help her attend your wedding.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭pooch90


    Any joy in find out what's wrong with her really?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    I'd say it could well be the money - perhaps she thought she could afford it, but now can't? I'd say she's waiting for you to offer to pay for the accommodation. I know you don't want to set a precedent of paying for people's rooms but honestly, she's your bridesmaid and already going to some expense to come over for the wedding.


  • Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Alice Chubby Granule


    I think some people need to realise that not everyone has their family on their doorstep. I'm half Irish and half English, so wherever I decide to get married, half my family and friends are going to have to travel if they want to come to the wedding. I won't be able to afford to fly anyone anywhere, unless I win the lottery between now and then. I'd be very sad if my grandparents or aunts/uncles I like or even my brother or sister couldn't make it, but that's the way it is. This situation is different from someone deciding to have the wedding in Martinique and then moaning that nobody can afford to go. The sister is the one who moved away, after all. I accepted when I moved to England that I'd end up out of pocket for attending family weddings/funerals/gatherings in Ireland (my Irish family is much bigger). It's just the way things are this days - people move, people emigrate, people have family in different countries or even continents. You can't expect the bride and groom to pay for travel, IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭Merkin


    I'm Irish but live in the UK and your sister can choose to make this as inexpensive or as expensive as she chooses really. I do think as her sister then you are obliged to pay for her accommodation for the night of the wedding. When we got married I paid for dress, hair, makeup, shoes, hotelroom and for a meal out the night before etc. This is what you do for your bridesemaid so that's one cost that is alleviated for her. Only the night of the wedding though or the night before.

    I would then personally (you) do up a rough budget of what it would cost for a. her to come to the wedding on her own for a night or two and b. the cost of the whole family to come for a few days. The ferry companies offer next-to-nothing deals in September as the kids have gone back to school so they should be able to get a good deal. (EDIT: I've just done a search and the cost of 2 adults and 4 children PLUS a large motorhome costs stg£400 all in from 19th to 23rd Sept).....I'm such a nerd :cool:

    I think you then go to your sister and show her you have done the maths and how much it will cost then it will quickly become apparent if money is the real issue at hand here. You said her usual lady for dogsitting won't be available. That to me sounds like an excuse. Kennels doesn't have to be the option, the Brits bloody love their dogs, she'd have no end of people willing to help so that seems a bit of to me.

    I think what she is doing is incredibly hurtful and you do deserve to know what her reasons are. If she can't genuinely afford it (although I think she should come on her own if that's the case) then you have to respect that. Her financial woes are not your problem and you wouldn't want to put her in a position where they end up in debt for your wedding and any reasonable person would feel the same. She should have planned for it though.

    If on the other hand you present the sums and the next weekend they are off to Claridges for lunch while still pleading poverty then it goes deeper than that unfortunately. That's a whole different kettle of fish and one far more complex than any conjecture on a wedding forum can even poke a stick at.

    I do think that you need to have this out with her in as calm and as reasonable a fashion as possible and then respect her decision. If she decides then not to go however I wouldn't really be involving her in the wedding at all, and that goes for the hens etc too. She should be there for you and if for any other reason than financial that she can't be given carte blanche to let you down and then get involved in all the festivities without getting up of her arse to attend.

    On a final note I feel very sorry for you. I'm really close to my siblings and if one of them did this I'd be absolutely heartbroken and desperately hurt. :( I suggest a Skype chat asap so you can have a face-to-face (or next best thing) honest discussion about this as soon as possible. If you are that close then it may be her husband who is raising the objections so try and have that chat when the kids are at school/bed and he's not around.

    Really hope it works out for you xx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    No news yet. My dad is going to pop round to hers anyway and he said he would bring it up with her while the kids and husband are not there.

    I did speak to her in the meantime about something else and she didnt mention anything else about what they were doing.

    Offering to pay for the room may be the next step. I honestly dont think it will make a difference to them though, look at it like this -

    She says attending the Saturday wedding will cost them at least £1250 (her exact words) but that attending just the civil ceremony and flying back the same day will only cost them a third of what the Saturday would cost. I really dont see how me offering to pay for the accommodation, which is €115 will really make a difference.

    And if I offer to pay for their room, then I would feel like I have to offer to pay for the other bridesmaids room. That means I've to spend another €200 in total. It wouldnt be fair that the other bridesmaid has to pay, just because she didnt threaten to not come because of the cost.

    Edit - Just for context, the £1250 apparently includes flights, accommodation, food, car hire, passports for the kdis (they are about to expire) and outfits for my nephew and BIL. Oh and kennels for the dogs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    No news yet. My dad is going to pop round to hers anyway and he said he would bring it up with her while the kids and husband are not there.

    I did speak to her in the meantime about something else and she didnt mention anything else about what they were doing.

    Offering to pay for the room may be the next step. I honestly dont think it will make a difference to them though, look at it like this -

    She says attending the Saturday wedding will cost them at least £1250 (her exact words) but that attending just the civil ceremony and flying back the same day will only cost them a third of what the Saturday would cost. I really dont see how me offering to pay for the accommodation, which is €115 will really make a difference.

    And if I offer to pay for their room, then I would feel like I have to offer to pay for the other bridesmaids room. That means I've to spend another €200 in total. It wouldnt be fair that the other bridesmaid has to pay, just because she didnt threaten to not come because of the cost.

    Edit - Just for context, the £1250 apparently includes flights, accommodation, food, car hire, passports for the kdis (they are about to expire) and outfits for my nephew and BIL. Oh and kennels for the dogs.


    So you are heartbroken that your sister won't attend, but not heartbroken enough to pay 115 Euros?

    I suspect there is a lot more to this story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭chasmcb


    So you are heartbroken that your sister won't attend, but not heartbroken enough to pay 115 Euros?

    I suspect there is a lot more to this story.

    That isn't what she said ES. Loveisdivine's point is that the 115 for accommodation accounts for only a small fraction of the overall cost involved in her sister coming over for the wedding and that even if she (Loveisdivine) did offer to pay it that still wouldn't persuade the sister to attend the wedding.

    Hope it all gets sorted for you Loveisdivine and best wishes for the day itself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    At no point did I say I was heartbroken. I said I was disappointed.

    There is no more to the story than what I've posted.
    I am reluctant to offer to pay because I would feel I would have to pay for others too, increasing the cost again. Also, as I believe money is not entirely the real reason behind her not coming, I don't feel I should try and bribe her into coming. That would make it even harder for her to say no, if the real reason is because they just don't want to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Cailleachdubh


    This thread is stressing me out :)

    Good luck OP!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    Think Dad's popping over there tomorrow. So I will update then if he finds anything out.

    In the meantime I'm just gonna try and make peace with the idea that they may not come.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭pooch90



    Edit - Just for context, the £1250 apparently includes flights, accommodation, food, car hire, passports for the kdis (they are about to expire) and outfits for my nephew and BIL. Oh and kennels for the dogs.

    Right-kids will need passports anyway so that's BS
    Car hire-could they not be collected? Or have one of your family put them on their insurance for a few days?
    Surely your BIL owns a suit??
    They must have friends who could keep an eye on the dogs for a few days? I ADORE our dogs but wouldn't use them as an excuse not to attend.
    Food??? Because they don't eat at home and they won't get a free meal at the wedding?

    She's blowing smoke up your ass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    pooch90 wrote: »
    Car hire-could they not be collected? Or have one of your family put them on their insurance for a few days?

    She's blowing smoke up your ass.

    We had already told them that we would make sure that people in the bridal party that are coming from abroad will have transport to and from the airport (we are only 10 mins away) and the venue. I'm able to borrow cars from my job at no cost so its not an issue.
    They initially wanted to rent because they wanted to spend a few days here so would have needed one to get around.

    Yes I feel she's doing exactly that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭Merkin


    pooch90 wrote: »
    She's blowing smoke up your ass.

    Agreed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Chocoholic84


    Merkin wrote: »
    When we got married I paid for dress, hair, makeup, shoes, hotelroom and for a meal out the night before etc. This is what you do for your bridesemaid so that's one cost that is alleviated for her.

    Agree dress, hair and make up should be paid for, and shoes if you're making them get a certain pair, but hotel room? Don't agree with that. ..one of my BM's actually had the cheek to say "Oh my family think it's bit strange the way you aren't paying for our rooms...." Yeah, GTFO!

    I think what she is doing is incredibly hurtful and you do deserve to know what her reasons are

    Indeed incrediby hurtful, I'm flabbergasted at the number of people here who are telling the OP to "deal with it" - I would be raging if my sister couldn't make my wedding after agreeing to be my BM! Bloody hell!

    On a final note I feel very sorry for you. I'm really close to my siblings and if one of them did this I'd be absolutely heartbroken and desperately hurt. :(

    + 1. This would be a problem I would never even had envisaged, purely because I know my family would be there for me. Your sister is being a complete cow tbh and piling unneeded stress on you. If she can't be honest in her reasons for pulling out, I would find a new bridesmaid now and cut her loose. God, I am so angry on your behalf!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I really dont understand why she cannot come on her own??

    You mentioned that she doesnt like leaving her husband alone with the kids I think
    but surely this is the obvious compromise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭deelite


    ronjo wrote: »
    I really dont understand why she cannot come on her own??

    You mentioned that she doesnt like leaving her husband alone with the kids I think
    but surely this is the obvious compromise.

    Totally agree the sister should come over on her own and enjoy herself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Bubblefett


    Is it possible she may be having trouble at home with her husband or something else personal? If that was the case I could imagine how a family holiday and a wedding could add a lot of pressure. Money could just be an excuse to hide a bigger problem she doesn't want to discuss. Just a possibility of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    To be honest the likelihood of her coming alone is slim to none. Theres been a couple of times in the past when ive asked her to do overnight stuff with me and she has always said she wouldnt leave her husband to have the 3 kids as its not fair on him. I imagine she would say the same now.

    Update - My dad spoke to her yesterday and she said the same to him, that its a money issue. He reiterated that if they can only afford to come for 1 day then it should be the wedding on the Saturday, so she can still be a bridesmaid and the kids can still be flower girls.

    However, I received a message from her this morning, telling me that my dad had basically said come to the Saturday or dont bother at all.
    Then she said would give me the money back that I had spent on the dress.

    I would take from that, thats they still plan on not coming.

    All I can do now is leave it up to her and see if they make any kind of actual decision. After her message this morning I told her again that despite what my dad thinks, I would rather them come to the civil than nothing. I said the Saturday wouldnt be the same without her but that I understand if they cant for financial reasons. I also said we would pay for the accommodation for the night, but I understand if its still too much even with that.

    I dont really know what else I can say or do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭ronjo


    she has always said she wouldnt leave her husband to have the 3 kids as its not fair on him. .

    I am sorry for dwelling on this but what on earth does this mean??
    Does he have some handicap (and I am not being smart) that means he cant look after his children on his own for one night?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭Merkin


    ronjo wrote: »

    I am sorry for dwelling on this but what on earth does this mean??
    Does he have some handicap (and I am not being smart) that means he cant look after his children on his own for one night?

    It absolutely reeks, what a rubbish excuse :(


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