Is multiculturalism wanted??

Dyr · 21-02-2013 03:02PM

hooradiation wrote: »

Cultures are not static.
Complaining that a culture is changing (or being eroded, if you'd like to be dramatic) is complaining that life is carrying on as it always has.

When was british/english culture last changed on such a large scale by non british cultures then? Norman era? Post cromwell?

Invasion has always been a part of human culture but you used to have to do it over the dead bodies of the indigenous population

AlekSmart · 21-02-2013 03:02PM

Clareboy wrote: »

The only people who seem to be in favour of multiculturalism are your typical middle class, middle of the road, middle aged, bleeding heart do-gooders, who are typically in a nice comfortable public service or semi-state job. Multiculturalism - what good is it? Who needs it? You tell me!

Although,Clareboy,you have been suitably reprimanded and corrected by another learned poster,I do actually see the thrust of your post.

I would however delete the "Bleeding Heart Do-Gooders" as this is a stereotype which really does'nt exist.

The rest however is an accurate enough representation on Social Class grounds,with an important (Though Whispered) proviso that Multiculturalism is fantabulous and delightful....just as long as it's beneficiaries actually decide to live someplace else rather than on MY road/street/village...etc...(Estate is ok,coz of its erm....self-descriptive nature

).

Like so much in modern Irish Society,this issue will initially be decided by PROPERTY.

Once the MultiC's start viewing and putting in offers in any of the relevant areas the curtains REALKLY start twitching and the hushed comments outside the Local Spar become a wee bit louder and more strident.

It's already well in train in many of our Cities and I would predict a fairly rapid increase in stridency,as soon as the Banks get the nod to start sellin out from under folks in arrears.

Many people view the entire process as a bit of Socially desirable correction to right the wrongs of our formerly "small minded, ignorant, intolerant types with limited mentality and probably well founded inferiority complexes",they see it if you will,as an overdue bit of ethnic upgrading.

Change is good,yea ?...but only if it's not quite impacting upon your own half-acre of Irishness,which for all it's obvious defects is our own form of deviancy.

So,to answer the question posed back at post #1.....NO!...well maybe kinda ...Yes..ish...as long as it can be observed/appreciated from a distance.

Thats as much as my Inferiority Complex will allow for now floks ....;)

Yamanoto · 21-02-2013 03:04PM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

I think I might know a bit more about Muslims in Britain than the average Irish person, in fairness.

Why then are you habitually mentioning Arabic?

Urdu/Hindi, Bengali, Somali and Turkish would be the by far the more predominant languages spoken among the immigrant population

21-02-2013 03:04PM

Blisterman wrote: »

You were complaining about how people who've immigrated to London speak their native tongue to each other. My point was that you can't exactly blame them for that. I'd be very surprised if you never spoke English to anyone when you're in Spain.

And as for traditional English culture, such as jellied eels and pies. Sure there's less of them around in London then there were in the past, but I guarantee that's the case even in places without immigration. People's tastes change.

I wasn't complaining about it at all. I was stating a fact. You're missing the point that I don't have an issue with immigration and other cultures except when they're being forced on me. I am interested in Muslim culture. I go to shisha places all the time, my next holidays will be Istanbul and Amman. I've gone to plenty of 'breaking the fast' dinners at friends' houses during Ramadan in London. Nothing against Muslims at all. I'm still not going to pretend that some areas are not so Islamified, for want of a better word, that it doesn't feel like England.

I'm just stating the fact that the people who say that British culture is being eroded DO have a point and it's not really fair to write them off as bigots.

21-02-2013 03:07PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

Why then are you habitually mentioning Arabic?

Urdu/Hindi, Bengali, Somali and Turkish would be the by far the more predominant languages spoken among the immigrant population

Because most of the Muslims I've known have been Arabic speaking. It depends on the area. Go to an upscale, middle class area of London and you'll find a lot of Saudis, not many Bengali speakers. The last place I lived in London was mostly Turkish. It depends on the area.

Yamanoto · 21-02-2013 03:08PM

twinQuins wrote: »

So? Are people not free to speak what language they want to?

Not sure where you think I said they weren't free to do so.

Arabic is not the predominant tongue in Whitechapel, that alone was my point.

P_1 · 21-02-2013 03:10PM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

I'm just stating the fact that the people who say that British culture is being eroded DO have a point and it's not really fair to write them off as bigots.

Exactly, pointing out that there is an issue does not automatically make you a bigot and some people would do well to remember that.

hooradiation · 21-02-2013 03:14PM

Bambi wrote: »

When was british/english culture last changed on such a large scale by non british cultures then? Norman era? Post cromwell?

Cultures change constantly and slowly, the myth that this is some kind of seismic upheaval in a brief period is just that.

Wibbs · 21-02-2013 03:15PM

Hmm Multiculturalism is or can be a murky subject, never mind in practice. It seems as clear as day that cultural diversity has to be part and parcel of a modern, progressive and equal society. And it is for the most part.

However I think what many of the more hard line "right on" multiculturists miss is that some cultures that become part of a modern, progressive and equal society may not believe in or share the same views of modern, progressive and equal as the main society they find themselves in. Take more traditional cultures as examples. EG Many see sexual equality in very different ways. Ditto for social, religious and political equality. How can this be resolved in the philosophy that says modern, equal and progressive is the yardstick by which we judge our society, if we encourage by cultural relativism another culture who doesn't believe in this in the quest for diversity? It's at cross purposes philosophically and culturally.

It can be interesting to see some try to square that circle. Accepting, even encouraging of practices in the service of cultural relativism, diversity and equality, practices that would have the same people gathering up placards and marches if the host society suggested them. And they'd be right to in that case.

Personally I think that equality of human beings is a carved in stone given, but that the equality of cultures is a far greyer area, but in the admirable drive for a modern liberal society we wrongly conflate the two. Cultures can't be equal. To say they are also says cultures can't develop and progress, which is a nonsense. Take Ireland for example. As far as equality is concerned the Ireland of 2013 is streets ahead of the Ireland of 1953(with some way to go). We have progressed. The cultures are equally valid philosophy would argue that they were equally valid. Or would it be OK if Ireland 53 was a "foreign" culture?

twinQuins · 21-02-2013 03:19PM

P_1 wrote: »

Well that's the question. Personally I would find it rude (for lack of a better term) not to try to assimilate to your new culture.

For example, would you move to Paris and expect to speak English every day? Non you would at least have the courtesy to attempt to at least string a couple of phrases together en Francais.

If I met other people that spoke English and were amenable to doing it I'd see no problem. If others want to butt into our private affairs that's their problem.

Similarly, is it racist to expect a French person who moved to Dublin to attempt to speak to you in English?

To me? I wouldn't care too much what language they spoke to me in. It's more practical to use a language we're both capable of speaking but if they want to speak French among themselves what's the problem?

Yamanoto wrote: »

Not sure where you think I said they weren't free to do so.

Arabic is not the predominant tongue in Whitechapel, that alone was my point.

Okay... Then what is your point?

FTA69 · 21-02-2013 03:24PM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

I've better things to be doing, but I recall streets around Whitechapel where almost everything is in Arabic. And these are main roads.

Funnily enough I'm sitting in an office here in Tower Hamlets and can't help but be amused by what you're saying. First of all there are only a few Arabs living here, the vast majority of Muslims in E1/E3 are Bangladeshis as well as a few Pakistanis. The most sizeable Arab community in London lives in Finsbury Park in north London.

There are no churches in the neighbourhood, only mosques.

That's nonsense, there's a variety of Christian worship places around. Everything from Catholic churches to towering Anglican cathedrals to African Pentecostal churches.

You get woken up by calls to prayer.

One place does it the odd time, the large East London Mosque. Which has been around since 1940 I may add and is universally praised for the educational and youth services it provides. People in East London don't get woken up by mosques believe it or not.

There's nowhere to get the components of a traditional English breakfast.

Nonsense. I'm just out of a cafe there for lunch, the majority of whom are owned by Turkish proprietors who have no problem selling pork etc. The vast majority of greasy spoon gaffs and traditional chippers are owned by Turks, Kurds, Cypriots, Greeks or Arabs anyway. And they have been since the 1970s at least.

All the cafes are halal.

Nope, see above.

Everyone around you is speaking Arabic.

Bengali mostly, all the kids speak English but I suppose they're brown so they couldn't be considered a part of "real" Britain in your eyes. You'll also hear Yoruba, Greek, Chinese, Vietnamese and a million and one other languages to boot.

Basically this whole notion that East London was once 100% British and then it got overran by the Bengalis (you don't even know the group in question) is nonsense. The area once had Huguenot immigration, then it had a massive Jewish population (parts of it still do) who were soon followed by the Irish who came to work on the docks. Blacks and Asians have always had a presence here, in short it has always been multicultural. Such was its multiculturalism that it was the place that Mosley and the British fascists tried to provocatively march through. There's a giant mural on the side of my building that commemorates the reaction of that community.

No one place in London is singularly dominated by the Bangladeshis. Walk down Whitechapel high road and you will see Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Turkish, Nigerian and Ethiopian businesses. There are loads of greasy spoon caffs. Traditional pubs are two a penny with a massive revival taking place there with real ale breweries popping up everywhere. Every culture has a presence in East London, it's always been that way.

Seems to me you just saw a lot of dark faces one day and got the hump.

Blisterman · 21-02-2013 03:28PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Hmm Multiculturalism is or can be a murky subject, never mind in practice. It seems as clear as day that cultural diversity has to be part and parcel of a modern, progressive and equal society. And it is for the most part.

However I think what many of the more hard line "right on" multiculturists miss is that some cultures that become part of a modern, progressive and equal society may not believe in or share the same views of modern, progressive and equal as the main society they find themselves in. Take more traditional cultures as examples. EG Many see sexual equality in very different ways. Ditto for social, religious and political equality. How can this be resolved in the philosophy that says modern, equal and progressive is the yardstick by which we judge our society, if we encourage by cultural relativism another culture who doesn't believe in this in the quest for diversity? It's at cross purposes philosophically and culturally.

It can be interesting to see some try to square that circle. Accepting, even encouraging of practices in the service of cultural relativism, diversity and equality, practices that would have the same people gathering up placards and marches if the host society suggested them. And they'd be right to in that case.

Personally I think that equality of human beings is a carved in stone given, but that the equality of cultures is a far greyer area, but in the admirable drive for a modern liberal society we wrongly conflate the two. Cultures can't be equal. To say they are also says cultures can't develop and progress, which is a nonsense. Take Ireland for example. As far as equality is concerned the Ireland of 2013 is streets ahead of the Ireland of 1953(with some way to go). We have progressed. The cultures are equally valid philosophy would argue that they were equally valid. Or would it be OK if Ireland 53 was a "foreign" culture?

I agree. Intolerance, be that racism, homophobia, xenophobia is wrong whether it happens in Bagdad, Lagos or Whitechapel. And I see eradicating these prejudices far more important than preserving some abstract concept such as culture.

Viewed that way, if someone grows up in a culture where they are taught sexism or homophobia from a young age, and grows up with those beliefs, are they more likely to change their attitudes staying in the country where they are from, or in moving to a more liberal, more open minded society?

Yamanoto · 21-02-2013 03:30PM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

Because most of the Muslims I've known have been Arabic speaking. It depends on the area. Go to an upscale, middle class area of London and you'll find a lot of Saudis, not many Bengali speakers. The last place I lived in London was mostly Turkish. It depends on the area.

The Gulf-state Arabs are a sub-set all of their own & pretty much an irrelevance when discussing the sociological impact Muslim mass-immigration has had on the UK since the early 1950's.

P_1 · 21-02-2013 03:31PM

twinQuins wrote: »

If I met other people that spoke English and were amenable to doing it I'd see no problem. If others want to butt into our private affairs that's their problem.

To me? I wouldn't care too much what language they spoke to me in. It's more practical to use a language we're both capable of speaking but if they want to speak French among themselves what's the problem?

Personally, what language you use in private is no problem and frankly none of my concern. The problem is the language you use in public.

So to use Ireland as an example:
If you work in a shop you speak English to your customers
If you are buying something in a shop you speak English to the staff

The problem is that there are parts of London where that is not happening and is seemingly a bit of an issue to the locals

Nodin · 21-02-2013 03:33PM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

Because most of the Muslims I've known have been Arabic speaking. It depends on the area. Go to an upscale, middle class area of London and you'll find a lot of Saudis, not many Bengali speakers. The last place I lived in London was mostly Turkish. It depends on the area.

Turks speak Turkish......

FTA69 · 21-02-2013 03:34PM

Also, this notion that East London is a no-go area is more rubbish. If people are worried about going to these places it's because they're dodgy as f*ck, not because "the Muslims" are out abusing Christians or secular people. Most dangerous urban areas in Ireland are twenty times as bad as anywhere you'll find in London.

One of the good things about London is that nobody gives a sh*t who you are or what you do. I've often stumbled around Whitechapel full of drink and nobody ever said boo to me. Probably because there's a pub on every street corner.

21-02-2013 03:38PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

Funnily enough I'm sitting in an office here in Tower Hamlets and can't help but be amused by what you're saying. First of all there are only a few Arabs living here, the vast majority of Muslims in E1/E3 are Bangladeshis as well as a few Pakistanis. The most sizeable Arab community in London lives in Finsbury Park in north London.

FFS, I mentioned Whitechapel as ONE example. There are countless Muslim areas elsewhere.

That's nonsense, there's a variety of Christian worship places around. Everything from Catholic churches to towering Anglican cathedrals to African Pentecostal churches.

Perhaps where you are, yes.

One place does it the odd time, the large East London Mosque. Which has been around since 1940 I may add and is universally praised for the educational and youth services it provides. People in East London don't get woken up by mosques believe it or not.

Well, my cousin in Birmingham gets woken up every day. Believe it or not.

Nonsense. I'm just out of a cafe there for lunch, the majority of whom are owned by Turkish proprietors who have no problem selling pork etc. The vast majority of greasy spoon gaffs and traditional chippers are owned by Turks, Kurds, Cypriots, Greeks or Arabs anyway. And they have been since the 1970s at least.

Believe what you want, but hand on heart, none of the local shops in my old area sold any type of pork.

Bengali mostly, all the kids speak English but I suppose they're brown so they couldn't be considered a part of "real" Britain in your eyes. You'll also hear Yoruba, Greek, Chinese, Vietnamese and a million and one other languages to boot.

How condescending of you. I'm also 'brown' so I think I understand that you don't need to be white/look white to be British. I think part of the problem for me is that Muslims think I'm also a Muslim and assume I'm trying to be a rebel by dressing in a British way/not fasting for Ramadan. Still annoying. I shouldn't have to explain myself to anyone.

Basically this whole notion that East London was once 100% British and then it got overran by the Bengalis (you don't even know the group in question) is nonsense. The area once had Huguenot immigration, then it had a massive Jewish population (parts of it still do) who were soon followed by the Irish who came to work on the docks. Blacks and Asians have always had a presence here, in short it has always been multicultural. Such was its multiculturalism that it was the place that Mosley and the British fascists tried to provocatively march through. There's a giant mural on the side of my building that commemorates the reaction of that community.

No one place in London is singularly dominated by the Bangladeshis. Walk down Whitechapel high road and you will see Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Turkish, Nigerian and Ethiopian businesses. There are loads of greasy spoon caffs. Traditional pubs are two a penny with a massive revival taking place there with real ale breweries popping up everywhere. Every culture has a presence in East London, it's always been that way.

Seems to me you just saw a lot of dark faces one day and got the hump.

So you've obviously had different experiences in London than I have. Doesn't mean you should stoop to calling me a racist. Pitiful way to try to win an argument and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I've said time and time again that I have no problem with other cultures. I never said anywhere was overrun by Bengalis. I said large parts of England no longer feel like England. I personally have no problem with other cultures or religions once they're not criticising ME for how I dress but I can understand how other people could not like it much. Do you understand me yet?

21-02-2013 03:38PM

Nodin wrote: »

Turks speak Turkish......

You don't say.

FTA69 · 21-02-2013 03:39PM

Also the only place dominated by Turks is Green Lanes in north London, Finsbury Park has a massive north African Arab population.

Both areas are increasingly popular for young homeowners with the latter being acknowledged as one of the "places to be" in town. Believe it or not nobody's going around spitting in women's faces and trying to burn down the craft butchers for selling chipolatas.

Yamanoto · 21-02-2013 03:39PM

twinQuins wrote: »

Okay... Then what is your point?

You quoted it in your reply ffs

Spoonfeeding over

Originally Posted by Yamanoto

Not sure where you think I said they weren't free to do so.

Arabic is not the predominant tongue in Whitechapel, that alone was my point.

Wibbs · 21-02-2013 03:41PM

Blisterman wrote: »

I agree. Intolerance, be that racism, homophobia, xenophobia is wrong whether it happens in Bagdad, Lagos or Whitechapel. And I see eradicating these prejudices far more important than preserving some abstract concept such as culture.

I agree, but what if this aim butts up against very deeply held views of cultural subset of a population? EG homophobia is very strong in many cultures. Yes it's still too strong in our own, but by comparison others are far more actively and aggressively homophobic. It's even in a fair few religions, particularly the Abrahamic ones.

Viewed that way, if someone grows up in a culture where they are taught sexism or homophobia from a young age, and grows up with those beliefs, are they more likely to change their attitudes staying in the country where they are from, or in moving to a more liberal, more open minded society?

You'd think the latter BM, but it doesn't always go that way. For all sorts of reasons(ghettoisation for one, external discrimination for another). The first wave of immigrant folks tend to try to "fit in" more, it's the following generations that may feel excluded from the larger society, feeling neither fully [insert culture of origin] nor [insert culture they find themselves in] who then become more strident in observing the origin culture. EG young British/French/Dutch Muslims would tend to be far more radicalised than their parents. Too often with culture you can bring a horse to water but getting him(and it's usually a him) to drink...

21-02-2013 03:41PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Also the only place dominated by Turks is Green Lanes in north London, Finsbury Park has a massive north African Arab population.

Both areas are increasingly popular for young homeowners with the latter being acknowledged as one of the "places to be" in town. Believe it or not nobody's going around spitting in women's faces and trying to burn down the craft butchers for selling chipolatas.

Yes, clearly you've lived in every single area of London and know ALL about it. God forbid anyone should have had a different experience to you.

Wibbs · 21-02-2013 03:46PM

Hailee Wailing Microcomputer wrote: »

Doesn't mean you should stoop to calling me a racist. Pitiful way to try to win an argument and you should be ashamed of yourself

In many ways and while I'll often agree with the call, it is often lazy and is often the modern liberal society equivalent of shouting "heretic" in a religious society. Regardless of cultural background scared cows don't like being pointed at, even if only a little.

P_1 · 21-02-2013 03:51PM

Wibbs wrote: »

In many ways and while I'll often agree with the call, it is often lazy and is often the modern liberal society equivalent of shouting "heretic" in a religious society. Regardless of cultural background scared cows don't like being pointed at, even if only a little.

Yeah I find that that is sometimes the 'easy' way of winning an argument like this.*

Somebody makes a logical argument as to why they hold a particular point, the other person can't find a logical counter-argument and automatically shouts 'racist' in a bit to shut the other person up.

* Might be a tad on the over-simplistic side

Death and Taxes · 21-02-2013 03:52PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Although,Clareboy,you have been suitably reprimanded and corrected by another learned poster,I do actually see the thrust of your post.

I would however delete the "Bleeding Heart Do-Gooders" as this is a stereotype which really does'nt exist.

The rest however is an accurate enough representation on Social Class grounds,with an important (Though Whispered) proviso that Multiculturalism is fantabulous and delightful....just as long as it's beneficiaries actually decide to live someplace else rather than on MY road/street/village...etc...(Estate is ok,coz of its erm....self-descriptive nature ).

Like so much in modern Irish Society,this issue will initially be decided by PROPERTY.

Once the MultiC's start viewing and putting in offers in any of the relevant areas the curtains REALKLY start twitching and the hushed comments outside the Local Spar become a wee bit louder and more strident.

It's already well in train in many of our Cities and I would predict a fairly rapid increase in stridency,as soon as the Banks get the nod to start sellin out from under folks in arrears.

Many people view the entire process as a bit of Socially desirable correction to right the wrongs of our formerly "small minded, ignorant, intolerant types with limited mentality and probably well founded inferiority complexes",they see it if you will,as an overdue bit of ethnic upgrading.

Change is good,yea ?...but only if it's not quite impacting upon your own half-acre of Irishness,which for all it's obvious defects is our own form of deviancy.

So,to answer the question posed back at post #1.....NO!...well maybe kinda ...Yes..ish...as long as it can be observed/appreciated from a distance.

Thats as much as my Inferiority Complex will allow for now floks ....;)

Greatest load of bollocks I have read on boards since I joined.
I am a believer in Multiculturalism, I live in Irelands most diverse town, my neighbours include Poles,Nigerians, Ghanians , and a multitute of varying races and nationalities.
My kids go to school and play sport with their friends of these nationalities and races.
My Barber is Iraqi, my accountant is from Pakistan and one of my employees is Lithuanian.
So you can put that small minded, bitter, idiotic and facile theory back in the box where it belongs!

PS. You can get help with what you yourself describe as your "Inferiority Complex", based on the quoted post you clearly need it!

twinQuins · 21-02-2013 03:55PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

You quoted it in your reply ffs

Spoonfeeding over

Sorry about that, somehow got some posts mixed up.

FTA69 · 21-02-2013 03:57PM

Yes, clearly you've lived in every single area of London and know ALL about it. God forbid anyone should have had a different experience to you.

No but I do live here and have been knocking around for a few years and as a trade union officer I'm forever travelling around to different parts of the city continually interacting with the broad spectrum of people you meet in London in every conceivable workplace. I know the city very well to be honest.

FFS, I mentioned Whitechapel as ONE example. There are countless Muslim areas elsewhere.

You mentioned it as one Muslim-dominated area and have said there were no vestiges of British culture. I'm here right now and have pointed out that you were wrong. There are pubs everywhere, caffs everywhere, chippers everywhere, Christian churches everywhere. There are numerous Poles, Romanians, Nigerians and Whateveryou'rehavingyourselves living here along with believe-it-or-not, Cockneys.

In other words your attempts to portray it as an almost exclusively Muslim enclave were incorrect.

Perhaps where you are, yes.

I'm in Cable Street now, in the heart of East London and can find all the things you said didn't exist within ten minutes walk. My own gaff in London is one of the most multicultural places in the city and I can still find whatever I want.

So you've obviously had different experiences in London than I have. Doesn't mean you should stoop to calling me a racist. Pitiful way to try to win an argument and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Not being funny, but when I hear someone erroneously declare that parts of East London are exclusively "Arab" and then proceed to make a load of false and exaggerated statements about how "it's not Britain anymore" then I do start to think of racism, yeah.

No area of London is exclusively anything, sure half of these "Muslim areas" here are half black anyway. Eastern Europeans are a major presence and they all have their own food stores etc. There's nowhere in London you won't find a pub.

they're not criticising ME for how I dress

Well tell them to f*ck off. You'll always have busybodies moaning about something. Sure there's auld ones at home who'd moan about your skirts as well. If you went walking down a village in Surrey dressed to the nines you'd get funny looks as well. What you're on about is an anti-women culture and sexist attitude that unfortunately is present wherever you go. It's not necessarily linked with British culture being eroded.

starlings · 21-02-2013 04:02PM

Wibbs wrote: »

In many ways and while I'll often agree with the call, it is often lazy and is often the modern liberal society equivalent of shouting "heretic" in a religious society. Regardless of cultural background scared cows don't like being pointed at, even if only a little.

if you did that deliberately, it's brilliant. if not, I'm enjoying the idea of quavering moo-cows anyway.

FTA69 · 21-02-2013 04:03PM

Also look, I'm not trying to portray anyone as a bigot. There are plenty of actual seething bigots out there and I doubt you're one of them. All I'm saying it's easy to fall into the trap of writing off places as Muslim-only when the reality of those areas is often quite different. Places like Whitechapel often get negatively exaggerated and it winds me up a bit.

Wibbs · 21-02-2013 04:17PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Greatest load of bollocks I have read on boards since I joined.

You say this quite a bit WC. Must be great to be surprised by outrage on a near weekly basis. Don't worry this will pass. Hopefully.

I am a believer in Multiculturalism, I live in Irelands most diverse town, my neighbours include Poles,Nigerians, Ghanians , and a multitute of varying races and nationalities.
My kids go to school and play sport with their friends of these nationalities and races.
My Barber is Iraqi, my accountant is from Pakistan and one of my employees is Lithuanian.

Not so thinly veiled "I'm right on" speech. The same "I have Black friends you know" vibe only from the opposite end of the spectrum.

So you can put that small minded, bitter, idiotic and facile theory back in the box where it belongs!

PS. You can get help with what you yourself describe as your "Inferiority Complex", based on the quoted post you clearly need it!

Why the nastiness? Why not break down the posters points one by one? Your "I know loads of people from different backgrounds" sounds more like Pokemon collecting, "Gotta catch em all" than an argument, never mind a debate.

BTW lest you suffer a further paroxysm of outrage, I happen to not agree with AlekSmart's overall points, though I have seen some evidence of the xenophobia that might back up some of his points. After all at least some of that is how ghettos and cultural enclaves build up.

Is multiculturalism wanted??

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