What is a PC Brigade and how has it stifled you?

H3llR4iser · 19-02-2013 03:25PM

megafan wrote: »

& I don't want to see some ole'dear pissing in the male urinals! :eek:

I have seen plenty of unisex toilets and not even once they had urinals...just the good old stalls with a toilet seat.

Besides, the whole issue would be completely avoided if some women didn't put up the "ahhh, this girl was born with a penis! get her outta here!" attitude when it comes to restrooms.

Lyaiera · 19-02-2013 03:25PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

This doesn't explain why the cause of unisex toilets is so worthy and vital that hundreds of thousands of pounds must be spent on them at a time when so many people are going hungry and without medical treatment due to lack of funds.

Yeah. Sure why should people be able to leave their own home without fear of getting beaten up if they go to the toilet or infections if they don't? If they just stayed locked away at home think of all the money that could be saved!

Jester252 · 19-02-2013 03:26PM

I don't what to share toilets with women. They are dirtier, a few will hold the view that they can jump before guys and the queues! Why do they what to take away the only advantage of being a man? I suggest renaming them c0cks and boxes and you go into the bathroom that matchs you. People with kids go into the one matching them.
Also consoles rule.

Fromthetrees · 19-02-2013 03:27PM

old hippy wrote: »

Has the PC Brigade stifled you lately? Has it had a direct impact on your day to day life? Have you any amusing anecdotes about it going mad, somewhere in your locality?

Answers in red crayon, please.

I think all non EU citizens should be banned from coming to Ireland until we sort out our unemployment problems first.

I don't think same sex couples should be seen as equal to heterosexual couples when it comes to adoption rights.

I don't think the government should pay for anything that a pensioner can afford, like the free travel pass or a medical card.

I think education should be strictly secular, religion should be banned from every single classroom, (not Sunday school and that type of thing).

I think child benefit should be cut after the second child, (if you can't afford it, don't do it).

If it wasn't for the IRA Catholics/Nationalists in the north would be in a worse position than they are today.

PC brigade,

BRING IT ON!!!

CreepingDeath · 19-02-2013 03:28PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

In England, where I live, they are now scrapping seperate-sex toilets

At the expense of increasing the risk of attack on women I imagine, if they're public toilets.

There's sort of unisex toilets in "The Church" pub in Dublin, where the room is divided in two.
But a unisex public on-street toilet just doesn't sound safe, at least not at night time.

I know a man can walk into the ladies in separate toilets, but attacks would be more opportunistic in a unisex loo.

PC gone mad... :rolleyes:

19-02-2013 03:28PM

Fromthetrees wrote: »

BRING IT ON!!!

I just don't have the free time to even get started.:)

Hamiltonion · 19-02-2013 03:28PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

My heart bleeds, what a predicament. A brilliant use of hundreds of thousands of pounds when the NHS is understaffed and starving people are queuing up at food banks.

Ehhhh I can't see how it'd cost anything more than new signs for the door? Just make both bathrooms in premises unisex, most men will still go to the one with the urinal as 95% of toilet visits are just for a piss.

It's a small gesture that makes life easier for a very marginalised section of society. The trans community has been left behind by the gay rights movement and societal attitudes in general. It disgusts me that it's seen as okay to make jokes about trans individuals in this day and age (looking at you Meteor)

tigger123 · 19-02-2013 03:28PM

awec wrote: »

The idea behind it is pretty good but unfortunately the implementation of it sucks.

Terms like homophobe, sexist, racist and xenophobe are used all too often by those arguing for minority groups who don't like seeing their views challenged. As such, the views of these individuals quite often goes unchallenged.

If someone is offended by something, to quote Stephen Fry: "so f**king what". This idea that nobody should ever say anything that offends anyone else is utterly moronic, given that anyone can just declare offense to just about anything.

I'm offended by political correctness, which from now on means anyone discussing it is an intolerant bigot.

Bit of a straw man argument there perhaps? PC isn't about not offending people, its about treating everyone with the same respect, regardless of who they are.

StormWarrior · 19-02-2013 03:30PM

Links234 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMrLXl6VwBU

"The victim believes this was a hate crime."

But yet she admitted at the start that she was attacked because the other girl thought she was coming onto her boyfriend. It sounds like the other girl didn't even know she was transgendered.

kupus · 19-02-2013 03:31PM

The pc brigade is a group of people who have led very sheltered lives with other like minded people who share their views and wish to impose them on the world.

I've have no problem with that if they want to go and try that in the slums of Rio or Johannesburg.

awec · 19-02-2013 03:31PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Bit of a straw man argument there perhaps? PC isn't about not offending people, its about treating everyone with the same respect, regardless of who they are.

Treating everyone with the same respect is the glossed up way of saying you shouldn't offend anyone.

If someone disagrees with gay marriage for example, should they tell that to gay people or should they just outright lie to their face if it comes up in conversation?

I'm just using that as a completely random example.

MaxSteele · 19-02-2013 03:31PM

Nah I just think the PC brigade is a loose definition for a broad spectrum of gimps who cry, bitch and moan when someone says something or holds an opinion which doesn't suit their self titled progressive, world view.

Hamiltonion · 19-02-2013 03:31PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

Gays already have the same rights as anyone else, even marriage soon.

Ya think? Mariage, adoption law, discrimination in the work place, in public places, in the news.

Why are people so preoccupied with who someone else chooses to ****? We're all people, no matter what one identifies as - get over it:p

Gummy Panda · 19-02-2013 03:32PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

And complaining about this toilet issue is hardly frothing at the mouth when gays get rights. Gays already have the same rights as anyone else, even marriage soon.

I thought transgender rights is separate from gay rights as its a gender identity issue and not a sexual orientation issue?

kupus · 19-02-2013 03:33PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Bit of a straw man argument there perhaps? PC isn't about not offending people, its about treating everyone with the same respect, regardless of who they are.

Thats not PC. Thats common courtesy.

megafan · 19-02-2013 03:34PM

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I think all non EU citizens should be banned from coming to Ireland until we sort out our unemployment problems first.

I don't think same sex couples should be seen as equal to heterosexual couples when it comes to adoption rights.

I don't think the government should pay for anything that a pensioner can afford, like the free travel pass or a medical card.

I think education should be strictly secular, religion should be banned from every single classroom, (not Sunday school and that type of thing).

I think child benefit should be cut after the second child, (if you can't afford it, don't do it).

If it wasn't for the IRA Catholics/Nationalists in the north would be in a worse position than they are today.

PC brigade,

BRING IT ON!!!

Jeeeesssess Your Brave!!....... (but I agree with you!)

Lyaiera · 19-02-2013 03:34PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I thought transgender rights is separate from gay rights as its a gender identity issue and not a sexual orientation issue?

It falls under the "rainbow" and has a historic association with the LG(and

movement. But you are correct gender identity and sexual orientation are separate.

old hippy · 19-02-2013 03:35PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

My heart bleeds, what a predicament. A brilliant use of hundreds of thousands of pounds when the NHS is understaffed and starving people are queuing up at food banks.

I guess you don't go to many dinner parties in Kemptown?

We have unisex at work. It's not that bad.

StormWarrior · 19-02-2013 03:35PM

Of course no-one cares about the indigenous population of women not wanting to share toilets with strange men, but as there's such a huge policy of appeasment towards muslims, I'll also be interested to see what happens when Muslim women complain about this, as I'm sure they don't want to share toilets with men either. Muslim rights vs trans rights, the ultimate showdown.

Also, who really wants their 13 year old daughter using a public toilet alone with an old man?

Hamiltonion · 19-02-2013 03:35PM

I'd advise anyone who wants to know more about trans individuals and the trans rights movement to check out http://www.teni.ie/

My friends do brilliant work with them on a volunteer basis as the government recently cut their funding

twinQuins · 19-02-2013 03:36PM

awec wrote: »

Treating everyone with the same respect is the glossed up way of saying you shouldn't offend anyone.

I would've thought it's a more polite way of saying don't be a dick.

If someone disagrees with gay marriage for example, should they tell that to gay people or should they just outright lie to their face if it comes up in conversation?

I'm just using that as a completely random example.

They can tell it but they can also expect an earful in return. Getting the earful is what these people think is PC.

Basically, they should be able to say whatever they want and not have to face any criticism in return.

awec · 19-02-2013 03:38PM

twinQuins wrote: »

I would've thought it's a more polite way of saying don't be a dick.

They can tell it but they can also expect an earful in return. Getting the earful is what these people think is PC.

Basically, they should be able to say whatever they want and not have to face any criticism in return.

See, there we go again. Anyone not conforming to the ideas of these people is a "dick". Where is the tolerance there? Why is it ok for you to call someone who is anti-whatever a dick whereas calling someone who is pro-whatever a dick gets you labelled with some sort of derogatory adjective? What if I found the word "dick" offensive, what would that make you?

You realise the irony in your last sentence? How often have we seen the words racist, xenophobe, homophobe etc thrown about when someone says something that challenges the views of these PC individuals?

Lyaiera · 19-02-2013 03:39PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

Of course no-one cares about the indigenous population of women not wanting to share toilets with strange men,

Is "indigenous" a special title for women who don't want unisex toilets? I've never heard it used that way before.

CreepingDeath · 19-02-2013 03:41PM

twinQuins wrote: »

I would've thought it's a more polite way of saying don't be a dick.

I find the term "dick" offensive to men.

Hunterbiker · 19-02-2013 03:41PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

Of course no-one cares about the indigenous population of women not wanting to share toilets with strange men, but as there's such a huge policy of appeasment towards muslims, I'll also be interested to see what happens when Muslim women complain about this, as I'm sure they don't want to share toilets with men either.

Just checking this is still 4 small toilets in a small cafe in a small place on the coast up from Brighton? I'm sure people who didn't want to use them could 'go' elsewhere...

Also...
Appeasement is not the same as cultural tolerance...

Hamiltonion · 19-02-2013 03:42PM

StormWarrior wrote: »

Of course no-one cares about the indigenous population of women not wanting to share toilets with strange men, but as there's such a huge policy of appeasment towards muslims, I'll also be interested to see what happens when Muslim women complain about this, as I'm sure they don't want to share toilets with men either. Muslim rights vs trans rights, the ultimate showdown.

Also, who really wants their 13 year old daughter using a public toilet alone with an old man?

Religion is a choice, sexuality is not. Church and state should be separate.

I seriously doubt that the old man is going to be in the cubicle with your 13 year old.

Also, why the insinuation that men cannot be trusted around children? Pedophiles are a small % of the population, not every man harbors those instincts. Believe it or not women can be pedophiles too

twinQuins · 19-02-2013 03:44PM

awec wrote: »

See, there we go again. Anyone not conforming to the ideas of these people is a "dick". Where is the tolerance there? Why is it ok for you to call someone who is anti-whatever a dick whereas calling someone who is pro-whatever a dick gets you labelled with some sort of derogatory adjective? What if I found the word "dick" offensive, what would that make you?

Yeah, I think calling a gay person a ****** or using racial epithets would fall under 'being a dick'.

Would you disagree with that?

You realise the irony in your last sentence? How often have we seen the words racist, xenophobe, homophobe etc thrown about when someone says something that challenges the views of these PC individuals?

So? Do those words stitch your lips close or prevent your fingers from typing? Are you unable to respond to being called those things?

B0jangles · 19-02-2013 03:44PM

awec wrote: »

See, there we go again. Anyone not conforming to the ideas of these people is a "dick". Where is the tolerance there?

You realise the irony in your last sentence? How often have we seen the words racist, xenophobe, homophobe etc thrown about when someone says something that challenges the views of these PC individuals?

I don't see any irony?

Consider the following:

Person 1: <makes a "make me a sammich"-type joke>

Person 2: (offended) "that's not funny and I think it's pretty sexist"

Person 1: (offended)"I was just joking, you've no sense of humour, how dare you call me sexist, it's PC gone MAAAAD" etc

Would you defend Person 1's right to say what they want and also their right to not be criticised for it, but dismiss Person 2's right to be offended?

srsly78 · 19-02-2013 03:46PM

I'm a member of the PC brigade. I ****ign hate macs, and don't even get me started on iphones.

old hippy · 19-02-2013 03:46PM

kupus wrote: »

The pc brigade is a group of people who have led very sheltered lives with other like minded people who share their views and wish to impose them on the world.

I've have no problem with that if they want to go and try that in the slums of Rio or Johannesburg.

Yes, I'm sure all those who have been racially abused, beaten, had dog**** posted through their letterboxes or swastikas painted on their windows lead terribly sheltered lives. Damn them for wanting equality and an end to discrimination.

What is a PC Brigade and how has it stifled you?

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