Can science replace god?

Ruudi_Mentari · 18-02-2013 01:59AM

also, like religion trolls will infiltrate it and take the parochial mickey

But you, you are an organization nobody can infiltrate... each unto his own occurance?!! That'd be nice.

GlenT · 18-02-2013 02:21AM

Lapin wrote: »

Science doesn't need to replace anything.

Science exists already. Science is fact.

God never did. God is fiction.

Does science as we know it not break down once you get beyond the big bang?
yesteryears 'god' may be todays voices, as in the dawning of newer levels of consciousness in the brain at first seem fantastic or supernatural but once the brain settles it is natural.

The King of Moo · 18-02-2013 02:22AM

Henlars67 wrote: »

Replace religion as what, one of the world's largest sources of evil?

People are the only source of evil in this world. Religion is just an abstraction used by some of those people as a justification for their evil deeds, just as political ideologies, race and money have been excuses for probably a great deal more evil.

To say religion is one of the world's largest sources of evil is mistaken and probably just bandwagon-jumping.

Piliger · 18-02-2013 02:23AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm an agnostic as I can't know if there's a god and I dont agree with the bullying tactics of some of the athiests.

Oh for the love of Dawkins ! What kind of BS is this ?

To answer your question - your question is an non sequitur. Science is not a 'belief' based system. religion is a belief based system.

Science cannot therefore replace ANY religion :rolleyes:

Insect Overlord · 18-02-2013 02:28AM

Manach wrote: »

They replaced God with science post Bolshevik revolution. That turned out so well. Same broken promises, same empty slogans. Welcome to the new age, yeah right.

Why not just say Hitler and properly Godwin this thread? You'd have made the exact same ridiculous, inaccurate, clichéd point, and all the casual readers would have picked up on it sooner too.

Feck sake...

The King of Moo · 18-02-2013 02:31AM

Piliger wrote: »

Oh for the love of Dawkins ! What kind of BS is this ?

To answer your question - your question is an non sequitur. Science is not a 'belief' based system. religion is a belief based system.

Science cannot therefore replace ANY religion :rolleyes:

You have to look beyond the simple structural differences between the two, which anyone can identify, and look at what function they serve for people. In that sense, religion, as the once-primary system for applying order to and seeking explanations for the apparent randomness of the universe, has been replaced for a great number of people by science.

Insect Overlord · 18-02-2013 02:31AM

catallus wrote: »

Anybody who has read a bit of history or philosophy knows, without a doubt, that religion is the epitome of culture. Without it there would be no science or thought or writing or family or civilization. It is as much a part of being a human being as having opposing thumbs.

Thought, writing, family and civilisation are not reliant on religion.

Religion is an element of culture. It is by no means the "epitome" of it.

Sonics2k · 18-02-2013 02:35AM

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
-Neil deGrasse Tyson

catallus · 18-02-2013 02:40AM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Thought, writing, family and civilisation are not reliant on religion.

Religion is an element of culture. It is by no means the "epitome" of it.

In an ideal world maybe. But in the real world religion is the necessary basis for all development from cave drawings to Newton.

hames · 18-02-2013 02:45AM

Sonics2k wrote: »

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
-Neil deGrasse Tyson

I'm a fan of Neil de Grasse Tyson and surprised he said something like that.
'Science', or those who publish specific theories - do err; in fact they often expect to.

Much of the greatness of science is derived from its mistakes.

When people lose their critical eye for specific scientific pronouncements, it's time to worry.

Insect Overlord · 18-02-2013 02:47AM

catallus wrote: »

In an ideal world maybe. But in the real world religion is the necessary basis for all development from cave drawings to Newton.

Thought had to develop first. After that? Some people had some some useful thoughts. Some people put them together as religion. Not the other way around.

catallus · 18-02-2013 02:50AM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Thought had to develop first. After that? Some people had some some useful thoughts. Some people put them together as religion. Not the other way around.

Agreed. But that doesn't invalidate the idea of god, or even religion. It is the epitome of culture.

Insect Overlord · 18-02-2013 02:52AM

catallus wrote: »

Agreed. But that doesn't invalidate the idea of god, or even religion. It is the epitome of culture.

You've said that already. I've already said it is just one of the many elements that can make up a culture. What makes you so sure it epitomises anything other than itself?

OneArt · 18-02-2013 02:56AM

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

In the near future the awakening will occur.
An event when Atheism, education, science, logic and rationality reaches a critical mass of the humanoid population and the cults collapse rapidly into a morbid dying heap.

The new movement of environmental scientific atheism will became the belief system of the earth humanoid population.

That sounds like something I'd spout to my own followers when I want them to give me money.

*writes down idea*

catallus · 18-02-2013 03:01AM

I know what I have said, thanks. If I need to repeat myself in the forlorn hope that you will realise that I am serious in what I am saying then that's your problem. You might think about not taking a bullying tone when responding.

If anyone chooses to ignore or castigate the import of religious belief in any form throughout the written history of the world then I have to question their motives and/or knowledge.

Insect Overlord · 18-02-2013 03:04AM

catallus wrote: »

I know what I have said, thanks. If I need to repeat myself in the forlorn hope that you will realise that I am serious in what I am saying then that's your problem. You might think about not taking a bullying tone when responding.

If anyone chooses to ignore or castigate the import of religious belief in any form throughout the written history of the world then I have to question their motives and/or knowledge.

Keep dodging the question there so. I'll keep asking it until you at least make an effort to answer it. I can play this game all week.

GlenT · 18-02-2013 03:07AM

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Keep dodging the question there so. I'll keep asking it until you at least make an effort to answer it. I can play this game all week.

What is the question?

catallus · 18-02-2013 03:10AM

Fair enough, I'm dodging nothing.

Religion is the basis of all civilization and culture in the history of the world. From the proto-indo culture and all that came before it is the only thing that inspired any sense in human beings that there was a sense of purpose or needful enterprise.

If a person's hatred of power and influence causes them to throw the baby out with the bath water then so be it.

1ZRed · 18-02-2013 03:12AM

If South Park has taught me anything is that this will only lead to war, and super intelligent otters. Science, help us!

DesperateDan · 18-02-2013 03:14AM

catallus wrote: »

Fair enough, I'm dodging nothing.

Religion is the basis of all civilization and culture in the history of the world. From the proto-indo culture and all that came before it is the only thing that inspired any sense in human beings that there was a sense of purpose or needful enterprise.

If a person's hatred of power and influence causes them to throw the baby out with the bath water then so be it.

Yeah but 'civilizations and cultures' were mental back then, they fell back to religion to explain what science is capable of doing today.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-02-2013 03:15AM

I have to believe in a God, I mean after the big bang, only God could make Sheldon so funny.

1ZRed · 18-02-2013 03:17AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I have to believe in a God, I mean after the big bang, only God could make Sheldon so funny.

Poor lad, lost your perception of humour

catallus · 18-02-2013 03:19AM

DesperateDan wrote: »

Yeah but 'civilizations and cultures' were mental back then, they fell back to religion to explain what science is capable of doing today.

And hopefully in a thousand years time they'll be asking the same thing.

What kills me is we have going on 10 thousand years of knowledge and culture and these guys come out of the blue and say "No: There is no God and nothing above us" and they ask us to base our lives on the idea that all the universe was just a speck in nothingness the size of an atom and it exploded and now here we are and speak not of heaven.

Knex* · 18-02-2013 03:21AM

TheBegotten wrote: »

You can't claim to be a man of science and then tell someone they're wrong without proof.

I can transform into a dragon. Just not when anybody is looking.

hatrickpatrick · 18-02-2013 03:23AM

Odd question tbh. To someone like myself who believes in God, how can one "replace" him? That phrasing suggests that he was a fictional element to begin with, which is only true if you're already an atheist or agnostic.

Badly phrased question at the very least. Hard to answer logically depending on your beliefs.

Sir Gallagher · 18-02-2013 03:25AM

I dont want to live in a world dominated by the likes of the mongos on reddit/r/atheism.

Knex* · 18-02-2013 03:30AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Odd question tbh. To someone like myself who believes in God, how can one "replace" him? That phrasing suggests that he was a fictional element to begin with, which is only true if you're already an atheist or agnostic.

Badly phrased question at the very least. Hard to answer logically depending on your beliefs.

"God" has been replaced nearly 3000 times already.

In fact, to rob a quote off Ricky Gervais, I don’t believe in 2,870 gods, and you don’t believe in 2,869.

hatrickpatrick · 18-02-2013 03:30AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I dont want to live in a world dominated by the likes of the mongos on reddit/r/atheism.

That's the problem. Most atheists on the internet are extremely irritating trolls. If they're so secure in their beliefs why do they feel the need to attack and harass anyone who doesn't share them?
Sure, there are Christians and other religious factions which do this as well, but on internet forums and communities which are arguably dominated by younger generations, Christians tend to be live-and-let-live types whereas atheists tend to be the "anyone who isn't an atheist is a retard and should be argued with constantly until they go away" type.

Just my observation anyway.

Knex* · 18-02-2013 03:32AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's the problem. Most atheists on the internet are extremely irritating trolls.

I would argue the majority of Atheists on the internet just live and let be. Voicing opinions similar to the way I and a few others are doing on this thread.

Its the minority that get noticed however, obviously.

To call most atheists on the internet trolls is fairly insulting, but I presume you were more referencing said minority.

GlenT · 18-02-2013 03:36AM

catallus wrote: »

And hopefully in a thousand years time they'll be asking the same thing.

What kills me is we have going on 10 thousand years of knowledge and culture and these guys come out of the blue and say "No: There is no God and nothing above us" and they ask us to base our lives on the idea that all the universe was just a speck in nothingness the size of an atom and it exploded and now here we are and speak not of heaven.

Well most religions are just a lot of people following a middle man who preaches about a God. And they believe him, even after he has died.

I think a problem when discussing about God is what people picture god to be. If I think of him as someone sitting on a cloud judging everyone and you start to tell me he is real, I will have a hard time believing you.

I think it is important for you not to dismiss what scientists tell us, as in you referring to the big bang. If you have a belief in the supernatural, take some comfort from the fact that even the greatest minds in science can't really explain what happened before. Don't let the fact that it was 14 or so billion years ago put you off contemplating its place in whatever religion you follow, as it seems time began then so what difference would 14 billion or 2 million years make to whatever was before. To now it may seem like an instant to whatever was before.

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