FF the biggest party in Ireland

Celly Smunt · 17-02-2013 02:06AM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Given we had a deficit of 30B a year what were you expecting when you voted for this government? And what would you expect them to have done.

FG has been far from Gombeen. It's been adult. The Gombeens are whine about necessary cuts. The Gombeens would prefer we didn't increase taxes, kept social welfare the same, and also cleared the deficit. By Gombeen magic. I didn't vote for this government but it is precisely because they have acted like adults that I will vote for them next time.

Although I agree in some aspects.Taxation hasn't a chance of getting Ireland back to recovery.

Napper Hawkins · 17-02-2013 02:12AM

So what? It's not like they ever left anyway.

Get out while you can, folks.

mockingjay · 17-02-2013 02:18AM

robertxxx wrote: »

When are we going back under British rule? The quicker the better.

Shame on you - we've come such a long way for this immature solution.

demanufactured · 17-02-2013 02:22AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yes, when I heard it, I too though I had traveled back to 2006. But I wasn't hearing things, though I wish I was.
Well, what can I say?
I always believed that, contrary to everything I saw and heard in this country over the last 20 years, most of the Irish where intelligent and politically aware. That voting FF was just some kind of freak occurrence like the magic roads, the moving statues, a blind spot for good food or beer, a universal desire to build crappy, cold, drafty houses (that cost E750k to buy and where located in Portlaoise).
I honestly though Ireland had turned a corner when FF where exposed for the liars, thieves, conmen and psychopaths they where.
People voted for another party, doesn't matter that they where not all that different, just as long as they did not vote for that other shower of cnuts.
But now I honestly am lost for an explanation. I simply cannot fathom why.
Is it like an abused spouse that just goes back again and again and again, knowing that they will get abused and beaten?
People who vote FF stand for cute hoor politics, backhanders, corruption, "He fixed the road", hypocrisy, keeping the big boys rich, cronyism, getting jobs by pull, making sure only the rich get by and trying to keep the old boys club as exclusive as possible.
Maybe it's fixed pattern behavior, like migrating birds, trees shedding their leaves, the sun rising, then setting again. Programmed or bate into people's heads, as unchangeable as the seasons and the tides. Default behaviors that will persist despite circumstances or outcome.
If so far there was every reason for hundreds of thousands of people to flee this country, there is now every reason for twice as many to get out. Because Ireland will never learn from the mistakes of the past 100 years, it cannot learn and is unable to change. This country will always be poor, corrupt, a gombeens paradise and it will never, ever change.
I am telling you now that this country will never see unemployment of less than 10% unless someone capable gets voted in.
If that doesn't happen, this country simply deserves what happens to it.

Maybe I'm being too harsh here, though. Maybe there are good reasons to vote FF. Let's examine a few:
1: You where born yesterday and haven't picked up a newspaper, turned on a TV or had a look at the internet.
2: You hit you head on the way into the polling booth and are suffering from amnesia
3: You currently have a gun to your head
4: You are the FF member trying to get elected
After that I'm pretty much drawing a blank.

OK, things are difficult, but bear this comparison in mind:

FF is a mugger that beat this country to a pulp and stole it's wallet.
FG had to act as the paramedic and apply bandages, plasters, amputate and give some pretty horrible medicine.
Now the patient is complaining that things used to be so much better before, I felt much better and it's all the doctor's fault. You want to go back to the mugger who beat you senseless with an iron bar, because, you know, it wasn't all bad.
I usually say "this is not personal", but I am now addressing anyone who is now contemplating putting an X beside any FF candidate. Yes, I am talking to you. You and the party you vote for are everything that is wrong with Ireland.
If FF get back in, I will tell everyone abroad that, yes, everything you have ever heard about this country is true. It is "Begosh and begorrah, top o' the morning, ah shure she'll be grand" inbred thick mickery.
Because in that case, this country does not deserve a better reputation.
And I will write to every European politician to kick Ireland out and never give it another cent again. It won't work, but it's worth a try. Maybe the Troika can dissolve FF, we have rolled over for everything else.

All the political party's are the same.

oppenheimer1 · 17-02-2013 02:39AM

storker wrote: »

I've never voted FF and I'm angry with this government.

The poll results are an indicator of a few things:

1. The stupidity of a large proportion of the Irish electorate that could even consider FF to be electable.

2. The sheer, utter, mind-boggling incompetence of the current government, which was elected with more political goodwill behind it than probably any elected government in the history of the state...and immediately set about giving the two fingers to the people who voted it in. The national appetite for drastic change was never more apparent that in early 2011, and FG promised that change, then got into power and got straight down to business as usual. That this poll indicates such strong support for FF is an indictment of the FG/LAB approach to government. Such is the revulsion of the public for this arrogant, remote, pampered, contemptuous shower, that they kid themselves that FF might really be better, like someone returning to an abusive spouse, "this time it'll be different..."

3. The dire, desperate, urgent need for a new, no make that two new political parties in Ireland. Currently, despite the democratic smoke and mirrors, we have a one-party state - run by the Gombeen Party (GOP). The GOP has two wings, the FG wing and the FF wing, and they swap power every so often to as to maintain the illusion that the electorate has a choice.

Revolution? I doubt Inda could spell it, never mind provide it.

This is ridiculous that anyone could be surprised by this. The nature of political polling is that a fall in support for one party automatically equates to a rise in support for another. The government are currently cutting spending and increasing taxes, so their support is going to fall. This is only natural as the various interest groups line up and say "why don't you go after the other interest group?".

The real reason FF are rising has nothing to do with any new found love the electorate has for them, but that another credible alternative opposition doesn't exist. If Labour had not gone into power, they would be poised to lead a majority government at the next election and FF would have been killed off. This didn't happen of course and as it turns out Labour will probably be the real political losers of the economic collapse.

TheBegotten · 17-02-2013 02:44AM

I've lost faith in our political system without even casting my first vote :pac: Ah well. From what I've seen, FG are similar to FF in most respects: centre-right and conservative, with one key difference - FG are much more realist. They saw the hole we have to climb out of and gave us no illusions. They are, however, still self-serving sh/tes like most of the partied TDs in this country, and flip-flopped BIG TIME recently. If we had proper leftists in this country that weren't just naïve labour or SF, they'd get my vote.

pragmatic1 · 17-02-2013 02:46AM

We are so finished as a nation.

oppenheimer1 · 17-02-2013 03:02AM

TheBegotten wrote: »

I've lost faith in our political system without even casting my first vote :pac: Ah well. From what I've seen, FG are similar to FF in most respects: centre-right and conservative, with one key difference - FG are much more realist. They saw the hole we have to climb out of and gave us no illusions. They are, however, still self-serving sh/tes like most of the partied TDs in this country, and flip-flopped BIG TIME recently. If we had proper leftists in this country that weren't just naïve labour or SF, they'd get my vote.

FG realist?! Do you remember the 5 point plan. Considering the current government are almost 2 years in office, we should look and see how much progress they've made.

1. Jobs - Our unemployment rate is as high as it was when they were elected. This was a promise that they couldn't keep tbh as external factors drive our economy. This promise shouldn't have been made.

2. Fairer Budget - Although what constitutes fair is debatable, I'd say they're doing an OK job on this.

3. Smaller Government - There have been no lay offs in the Civil Service and the policy of reductions through retirement has been continued. Dail numbers have been reduced, but not dramatically, nor has the number of ministries or junior ministries been curtailed. A poor effort on this point imo.

4. Better health - Ha, do I have to go on?

5. New Politics - As the Reilly health centre fiasco trundles on, I'm failing to see how this New politics has been implemented.

A litany of unkept promises that FG knew it wouldn't be able to keep before it took office. They just told the people what they wanted to hear and thought they would deal with the consequences later. Same goes for Labour, turns out it was Frankfurts way after all.

yizorselves · 17-02-2013 03:06AM

Just shows you how stupid a lot of people are in this country when it comes to politics. Cant think for themselves, just going with whats familiar. Lazy attitude is what it is. And an arrogant, dismissive attitude towards the likes of SF. Never give them a chance and still take jabs and slag them off, listening to other peoples opinions and spouting it off. Ooooh terrorists! blah blah blah

Gobsh1tes galore I tell thee

zenno · 17-02-2013 03:07AM

pmcmahon wrote: »

I'm still praying Norway invade us soon.

I'm praying Norwegian women will invade my bedroom soon. FF, Fantastic Fun, if your a fruit and nutcase.

Sometimes you wake up and turn on the pc, and read the news and even though your eye-balls are half open and cannot focus well, you see a headline like this... 'FF The Biggest Party In Ireland' and only then, you feel weak and dizzy and think you where having a bad dream and so slumber back into bed only to realize you are really awake and the worlds people around you are insane.

I'm waiting for the zombie people to come out soon, but there again, are there not zombies around us already ?.

17-02-2013 03:42AM

storker · 17-02-2013 11:57AM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Given we had a deficit of 30B a year what were you expecting when you voted for this government? And what would you expect them to have done.

FG has been far from Gombeen. It's been adult. The Gombeens are whine about necessary cuts. The Gombeens would prefer we didn't increase taxes, kept social welfare the same, and also cleared the deficit. By Gombeen magic. I didn't vote for this government but it is precisely because they have acted like adults that I will vote for them next time.

Well it's interesting to note how well the spin works on some people. Far from gombeen? Let's see...

Increased lottery donations to Mayo?
Hogans grandiose wining and dining?
Government jet as busy as it ever was?
TD perks and pensions untouched?
Reilly's conveniently-placed care centres?
Vulnerable attacked while the well-heeled remain largely untouched?
Quangos, promised to be culled, actually increased?
Etc

Yep, business as usual for the gombeens, but if believing the spin makes you happy, then go for it. In a way I don't blame you - it's easier than facing up to the reality I suppose.

What did I expect when I elected the government? If you're making the (by now way-overused) point that there would still have had to be cuts, I'm well aware of that, thanks. What I did expect though was political reform, leadership, fairness, transparency and a willingness to put the people of the state above other narrower considerations.

Annasopra · 17-02-2013 12:03PM

Dónal wrote: »

The positive to take from this is that the most popular party is the one which has 26-7% of the poll. Ignoring undecided voters, this means that FF won't have the full controls of any government.

So the only possible way for them to govern is coalition with FG or SF

storker · 17-02-2013 12:03PM

yizorselves wrote: »

Just shows you how stupid a lot of people are in this country when it comes to politics. Cant think for themselves, just going with whats familiar. Lazy attitude is what it is. And an arrogant, dismissive attitude towards the likes of SF. Never give them a chance and still take jabs and slag them off, listening to other peoples opinions and spouting it off. Ooooh terrorists! blah blah blah

Gobsh1tes galore I tell thee

I'm surprised that SF rather than FF haven't been the real beneficiaries of FG's blatant contempt for the electorate, but then they do carry the mark of the beast. Getting rid of Adams would help immeasurably in this regard, as well as dumping any with troubles-related baggage, like Dessie Ellis.

storker · 17-02-2013 12:09PM

zenno wrote: »

I'm praying Norwegian women will invade my bedroom soon.

I liked the first suggestion of a Norwegian invasion. I like yours even better though.

zenno wrote: »

I'm waiting for the zombie people to come out soon, but there again, are there not zombies around us already ?.

I'll say one thing for a zombie apocalypse, at least it would put the gombeens out of business...

donegal_road · 17-02-2013 12:09PM

The pollsters gathered their information from Brian Lenihan's old constituency in Dublin West. The results do not reflect the political climate of the rest of the country and they are misleading.

Annasopra · 17-02-2013 12:12PM

demanufactured wrote: »

All the political party's are the same.

That's such an FF mantra

Death and Taxes · 17-02-2013 12:14PM

donegal_road wrote: »

The pollsters gathered their information from Brian Lenihan's old constituency in Dublin West. The results do not reflect the political climate of the rest of the country and they are misleading.

No they didn't it was national poll!
It has however put a smile on my face as I remember those Official IRA posters with "Gilmore for Taoiseach" on them, the one bit of good news in the rcent polls is the rapid demise of the stickkies.

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:17PM

donegal_road wrote: »

The pollsters gathered their information from Brian Lenihan's old constituency in Dublin West. The results do not reflect the political climate of the rest of the country and they are misleading.

I totally agree with this, I have yet to meet somebody that is going to vote FF ever again. This includes everyone I personally know and my work mates.

If the Irish Times had said SF were top of the polls, I would have believed that. I'm not a shinner myself, but even the most level headed people I know are now supporting them.

I'm an undecided voter at the moment, all parties are lying bastards at the minute.

Ghost Buster · 17-02-2013 12:19PM

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut... The thing is. Come the next election who do we vote for?
Once upon a distant time i would be Green Party or Labour followed by FG at a push or maybe a good independent.
Greens dont exist any more. labour soon wont and i wouldnt vote for em now even if i could. FG and FF are identical and i wont vote Sf so long as Adams and his era are involved...so...

??????

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:20PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut... The thing is. Come the next election who do we vote for?
Once upon a distant time i would be Green Party or Labour followed by FG at a push or maybe a good independent.
Greens dont exist any more. labour soon wont and i wouldnt vote for em now even if i could. FG and FF are identical and i wont vote Sf so long as Adams and his era are involved...so...
??????

So you have no confidence in the current line up like myself?

mikemac1 · 17-02-2013 12:25PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

I'm still praying Norway invade us soon.

Well they've done it before! :mad:

Busted Flat. · 17-02-2013 12:25PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut... The thing is. Come the next election who do we vote for?
Once upon a distant time i would be Green Party or Labour followed by FG at a push or maybe a good independent.
Greens dont exist any more. labour soon wont and i wouldnt vote for em now even if i could. FG and FF are identical and i wont vote Sf so long as Adams and his era are involved...so...
??????

You could try these, and set up an Irish Branch.

http://www.omrlp.com/

donegal_road · 17-02-2013 12:32PM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

No they didn't it was national poll!
It has however put a smile on my face as I remember those Official IRA posters with "Gilmore for Taoiseach" on them, the one bit of good news in the rcent polls is the rapid demise of the stickkies.

I have a cousin who worked for one of the poll companies.. not going to say who they are on here

Sierra Oscar · 17-02-2013 12:35PM

donegal_road wrote: »

The pollsters gathered their information from Brian Lenihan's old constituency in Dublin West. The results do not reflect the political climate of the rest of the country and they are misleading.

The fieldwork was done nation wide, which has been clarified by Millward Brown themselves.

Best username ever · 17-02-2013 12:36PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The fieldwork was done nation wide.

I don't believe that.

Kerrigooney · 17-02-2013 12:38PM

I hate waking up in the morning these days.
I read threads like this,listen to the news,read the paper and wish I'd died in my sleep.

R0ot · 17-02-2013 12:40PM

Dónal wrote: »

The positive to take from this is that the most popular party is the one which has 26-7% of the poll. Ignoring undecided voters, this means that FF won't have the full controls of any government.

I fail to see how a split/shared government is a good thing. It means you have two parties compromising more election promises than normal to try and appease the other.

We need to get rid of all the current parties and have them reformed. I don't care at this point which is linked to terrorism and which voted no to the treaty for the state. I want honest and educated leaders willing to spend their time in government fixing the country and damn popularity or re-election. Make it 1 term serving in government every 8 years max that way we rule out their decisions being impacted by re-election prospects.

Death and Taxes · 17-02-2013 12:40PM

donegal_road wrote: »

I have a cousin who worked for one of the poll companies.. not going to say who they are on here

* Smells Bullshít*

mikemac1 · 17-02-2013 12:40PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

5. New Politics - As the Reilly health centre fiasco trundles on, I'm failing to see how this New politics has been implemented.

What does New Politics even mean?

FF the biggest party in Ireland

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