Is it ever right to cheer a death?

wolfpawnat · 15-02-2013 04:08PM

Ask me when Thatcher dies, in fact ask anyone in old Industrial towns in Britain and anyone with the faintest whiff of Republicanism in them.

Oh, and though I did not cheer his death, I wasn't all too gutted for Brian Lenihan.

McNulty737 · 15-02-2013 04:09PM

starlings wrote: »

Did you cheer Jimmy Saville's death when you heard the accusations against him? Or Milosevic's in custody? Surely the satisfaction should be in seeing them being held to account, as this child-murderer was, rather than their deaths?

No, Jimmy Saville died an old, free man. I would have cheered if he had died a slow, painful death however. In my opinion, living out your life in a cushy jail cell with regular meals, conjugal visits and sky tv is not justice.

starlings · 15-02-2013 04:10PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I prefer quiet satisfaction to cheering.

I think it depends on circumstance, really. Not so much in this case as the guy was already doing the punishment for his crime, but in circumstances where the guy needed killing, such as Chris Dorner or OBL, I'm quite OK with it.

You may want to see someone killed, but that does not mean they "needed killing". I'd say their real need was to stay alive.

It's not just a grammatical quibble - if you wish for someone's death, at least be honest about it.

McNulty737 · 15-02-2013 04:13PM

Hoop66 wrote: »

That's not real justice, I'm afraid. It is revenge. Where does that get us?

So the brother of the guy who was killed, surely he's entitled to his revenge? So he kills the two guys who killed him. What about the fathers of those two guys?

In my opinion it is justice, see my above post about living out your life in a cushy jail cell.

As for the hypothetical brother scenario, no he's not entitled to his revenge - the only true crime committed here was the murder of a child, it was the killers own actions which ultimately led to his own death.

Burky126 · 15-02-2013 04:19PM

I remember hearing around the time of Bin Laden's death,that even the Dalai Lama himself said that it's fine sometimes to have a "lack of compassion" when someone dies.Take that as you will...

Just don't be a complete asshat when dancing your little heart out on someones grave.You know,decorum and all that.

Lollipops23 · 15-02-2013 04:24PM

As another poster mentioned, there's a big difference between cheering on and not mourning someone. There's plenty of people that I didn't feel sad about or feel the world would miss them.

Charlie Haughey for one- felt the world was a better place to be rid of him. That said, I didn't laugh or rub my hands together in glee either.

Wishing someone dead just seems so ghoulish

sbsquarepants · 15-02-2013 04:24PM

Yes sometimes it's ok to cheer a death. Plenty of people deserve to die and this sick fúcker was one of them - i for one am happy he's dead - good fúcking riddance you steaming pile of shít.

Wattle · 15-02-2013 04:24PM

I was at a gig in the Olympia when they announced Kurt Cobain's death. Some people cheered. Morons.

Brien · 15-02-2013 04:28PM

OP the question you asked was in "after hours", where a quick read will show people genuinely looking forward to some celebrity deaths (ricky gervais and des bishop were the last two I can remember reading).

Yes, some people will have no problem cheering the death of a rapist/ murderer (im not upset myself fwiw), but are you surprised by the responses you have so far gotten??

Prodigious · 15-02-2013 04:28PM

"Here's a toast to the dead, for my enemies that are gone; I'm not a coward so celebrating not would be wrong."
- Immortal Technique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUUVhmJYuSM

RainMaker · 15-02-2013 04:30PM

Up until quite recently (it's less than 60 years since the last execution in this country!) was still quite common to have public executions - hangings, guillotine, crucifixion, stoning, etc. Still goes on in other parts of the world.

In this case, I wouldn't have any problem if somebody cheered his death.

If President Assad was killed, I am sure you would have thousands of people on the streets rejoicing - see Gaddafi, Saddam, etc Previous to them I am sure people cheered Hitler and Stalin's deaths.

DipStick McSwindler · 15-02-2013 04:30PM

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wolfpawnat · 15-02-2013 04:32PM

Wattle wrote: »

I was at a gig in the Olympia when they announced Kurt Cobain's death. Some people cheered. Morons.

You see that I cannot understand, what did Kurt Cobain ever do to anyone. War Lords, Rapists, Paedophiles, Murderers, Heartless Politicians, I understand, but not a rock star. I mean, seriously, there were those who celebrated Michael Jackson death too, why, he never went out and butchered innocent people, quite the opposite, he was for tolerance and acceptance. I know there was the controversy but in all fairness, sounds like money grabbers to me. I know as a mother, if anyone went at my child, no out of court settlement would ever be enough to get me to call off a case.

DipStick McSwindler · 15-02-2013 04:33PM

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whitewave · 15-02-2013 04:35PM

Did anyone else read "West Murcia" in that article as West 'Murica? Was thinking this happened in LA or something...

Anyway, back to the topic. No, I don't think it's right to cheer someone's death. Yes, this guy was a scumbag, but I don't think anyone has the right to take another person's life (which I'm aware he did himself, doesn't mean two wrongs make a right).

That said, he didn't deserve to be on the streets either. He should have spent the rest of his miserable life in prison.

Thud · 15-02-2013 04:36PM

Hypothetical question, if they put this guy into an arena with say tigers would you cheer his dead then?

....i'm off to contact TV3 about a new idea for a reality tv show

Lollipops23 · 15-02-2013 04:37PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Oh, and though I did not cheer his death, I wasn't all too gutted for Brian Lenihan.

While I wasn't gutted when he died, I certainly wasn't remotely happy about it, nor did I feel any level of schadenfreude about it. It was an awful way to go.

When Maggie Thatcher kicks it, it'll most likely be the closest I ever feel to happy about a death. Although she has Alzheimer's now, which is one of the worst things that could happen a person, and I'm not overly sad for her to be honest. Maybe a little sorry for her family.

wolfpawnat · 15-02-2013 04:40PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

While I wasn't gutted when he died, I certainly wasn't remotely happy about it, nor did I feel any level of schadenfreude about it. It was an awful way to go.

When Maggie Thatcher kicks it, it'll most likely be the closest I ever feel to happy about a death. Although she has Alzheimer's now, which is one of the worst things that could happen a person, and I'm not overly sad for her to be honest. Maybe a little sorry for her family.

No matter how evil, self centred or just plain horrible a person is, I feel sorry for their families when they die. I did not get the sudden pang that many Irish get when a person dies for Brian Lenihan, you know they, "Ah but sure you can't say that now, he's dead" He aided in the downfall of our country and I will not forget that. But he had two young girls if I am not mistaken, and for them I feel the world of sympathy, same with the Thatcher family as a whole, just not for her.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-02-2013 04:41PM

I'm waiting for the death of Polio.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-02-2013 04:42PM

AH answer

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk

Rabidlamb · 15-02-2013 04:44PM

Just in case any more lilly hearted liberals want to pipe in

Anwar, 24, was responsible for one of the most horrific child killings of the last 10 years, the torture and murder of his lover's two-year-old child Sanam Navsarka.

Sanam died with 107 injuries on her body after suffering a month of what the court at Anwar's trial heard was "unbelievable" cruelty. A postmortem examination revealed that her arms and legs were broken and there were 36 bruises to her head and neck, 26 to her arms and 10 to her abdomen.

Two bruises on her thigh revealed where she had been battered with metal poles. The girl had also been locked in a cupboard and put in a tumble dryer. She died after fat deposits from her broken bones got into her bloodstream.

Not only would I cheer this f*ckers death I'd make it a national holiday if I could.
I hope the 2 suspects who killed him extracted the maximum amount of pain over the longest period of time.

Irishcrx · 15-02-2013 04:50PM

Absolute scumbag , I wouldn't cheer anybody's death but he deserved it...fully and I hope he went out screaming..

starlings · 15-02-2013 04:50PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Just in case any more lilly hearted liberals want to pipe in

Not only would I cheer this f*ckers death I'd make it a national holiday if I could.
I hope the 2 suspects who killed him extracted the maximum amount of pain over the longest period of time.

well aren't you great with your savage sanctimony.

sincerely,

a lily-livered libertarian

Lingua Franca · 15-02-2013 04:55PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Just in case any more lilly hearted liberals want to pipe in

What is this? Seriously? Why is it that anyone with a gentler, tolerant view of the world is insulted in this forum?

Which "lilly hearted liberals" are you addressing here? I'm what you would call a "lilly hearted liberal" but I admitted to finding schadenfreude in some deaths. Do you really believe that all "lilly hearted liberals" have the exact same views on everything?

Do you also think that the "lilly hearted liberals" didn't read that story? Do you think that only right wingers clicked on the link in the OP? Hey, why not see if you can find the autopsy report or maybe a poorly written Daily Mail article to see if you can find even gorier details of that poor little girls last weeks to really hammer it home to the "lilly hearted liberals" that they're not welcome to "pipe in".

Why even bother to have discussions at all if you think everyone should have the same view of anything. Why bother to have discussions at all if you don't want your percieved sterotype to 'pipe in'?

Wind your goddamn neck in. Give your own opinion and show some respect for other peoples.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-02-2013 04:57PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I hope the 2 suspects who killed him extracted the maximum amount of pain over the longest period of time.

So you are OK with pre-meditated murder ?

Rabidlamb · 15-02-2013 04:57PM

starlings wrote: »

well aren't you great with your savage sanctimony.

sincerely,

a lily-livered libertarian

Shouldn't you be doing something useful like championing Anders Brevik's release after his full rehabilitation.

starlings · 15-02-2013 05:00PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Shouldn't you be doing something useful like championing Anders Brevik's release after his full rehabilitation.

see that's the trouble when you lose your temper, Rabidlamb, you start to jump to daft conclusions and end up looking like an eejit.

Celly Smunt · 15-02-2013 05:00PM

I'll just leave this here,along with party poppers and hats.

Rabidlamb · 15-02-2013 05:05PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

So you are OK with pre-meditated murder ?

That's quite a leap, of course not, I'd normally abhor it.
In this case however, it was completely justified.

Captain Slow IRL · 15-02-2013 05:08PM

I cheered when Makarov died, just thought it would have been better if his head was pulled off when he did eventually croke.

Is it ever right to cheer a death?

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