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Is it ever right to cheer a death?

  • 15-02-2013 2:24pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭


    This monster Subhan Anwar wa held hostage in prison in England and has been murdered. I can only hope it was a miserable end he met. He is a child murderer and tortured a 2 year old. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/15/killer-subhan-anwar-prison-cell

    I went through the responses on twitter and couldn't find a single one that was not glad he has been killed.

    Are you ever fine with hearing someone has been killed.. any other examples?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Saddam Hussein

    Osama Bin Laden

    Twink in the future


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,157 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No

    A death is a death and is never something I will cheer on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Hamiltonion


    Jade Goody.

    Lord did that whole saga irk me, just because you have cancer does not make you a hero


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭SpiceWeasel


    No

    A death is a death and is never something I will cheer on

    Except Twink


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭leonidas83


    No, unless you believe in good & evil & all that bullsh**


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Personally no I would never "cheer" a death

    however I will not mourn for this man- as it is hard to empathise with someone who acts with such cruelty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    No

    A death is a death and is never something I will cheer on

    I dunno there's times where the world is a better place when someone isn't in it anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    woodoo wrote: »
    I went through the responses on twitter and couldn't find a single one that was not glad he has been killed.
    It's not really surprising that no one wanted to catch the attention of the angry mob.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    You know your life as been a complete train-wreak when so many people are glad to see the back of you. He sounds like such an evil brute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    Jade Goody.

    Lord did that whole saga irk me, just because you have cancer does not make you a hero

    You cheered her death?
    Yes it was a bit of a circus, but come on- the girl didn't deserve that :confused:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16 Even When I Lie


    Jade Goody.

    Lord did that whole saga irk me, just because you have cancer does not make you a hero

    It was one Oxo cube, get over it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    bit pointless cheering a death, woodoo - the object of your gloating can't hear you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Ahern

    Fingleton

    Fitzpatrick

    its party time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Yes. What's the point in crushing your enemies if you can't cheer their death?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭howamidifferent


    Reading the terrible cruelty he inflicted on that poor two year old little baby girl, I hope he died screaming. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Trafalgar Square, the first Saturday after Thatcher dies. I'd say there'll be a few cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Absoluvely


    I know these weirdos who celebrate some magician's death every April.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    I wouldnt cheer a death in the same way I wouldnt cheer a cricket match. Imo, neither of them are spectator sports!

    Would I be of the opinion that the world would be far better off if certain people were dead, of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,645 ✭✭✭✭The Princess Bride


    Jade Goody was mother to 2 young boys,Twink is a mother too.
    You may dislike someone's celebrity status,but cheering because of their death,or wishing them dead?

    Seriously?

    Just switch channels or buy a different newspaper.
    Simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭McNulty737


    Paedophiles, murderers, rapists, violent criminals.....yes I think it's ok to cheer death sometimes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    msthe80s wrote: »
    Jade Goody was mother to 2 young boys,Twink is a mother too.
    You may dislike someone's celebrity status,but cheering because of their death,or wishing them dead?

    Seriously?

    Just switch channels or buy a different newspaper.
    Simple.

    you know Twink is a actually a giant lizard right? that's why she's in showbusiness, otherwise people would think it's odd to have a team of makeup people, its all to keep her human mask intact until the time comes to reveal her true form and fulfill her destiny to rule the earth.

    all hail Twink, the destructor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 233 ✭✭MarkHitide


    I certainly wouldn't cheer a death that could be seen as a cheer for a murderer(s), as may be the case in the OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭McNulty737


    And by the way, as for that evil bastard child killer who was murdered, I say congratulations to his killers and I hope they had a chance to torture him before killing him just as he tortured a 2 year old girl. Nice to see real justice administered from time to time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    I found schadenfreude in Myra Hindley dying a long, lingering, painful, miserable and lonely death. I still do with Ian Brady being forcefed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    McNulty737 wrote: »
    Paedophiles, murderers, rapists, violent criminals.....yes I think it's ok to cheer death sometimes.

    Did you cheer Jimmy Saville's death when you heard the accusations against him? Or Milosevic's in custody? Surely the satisfaction should be in seeing them being held to account, as this child-murderer was, rather than their deaths?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,644 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I prefer quiet satisfaction to cheering.

    I think it depends on circumstance, really. Not so much in this case as the guy was already doing the punishment for his crime, but in circumstances where the guy needed killing, such as Chris Dorner or OBL, I'm quite OK with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    good riddance scum.

    Apparently his alleged killers were arrested not trying to make their escape...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    McNulty737 wrote: »
    And by the way, as for that evil bastard child killer who was murdered, I say congratulations to his killers and I hope they had a chance to torture him before killing him just as he tortured a 2 year old girl. Nice to see real justice administered from time to time.
    That's not real justice, I'm afraid. It is revenge. Where does that get us?

    So the brother of the guy who was killed, surely he's entitled to his revenge? So he kills the two guys who killed him. What about the fathers of those two guys?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Can see myself cheering for someone if they were on my Dead Pool.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭westies4ever


    cant say i'll shed too many tears when maggie thatcher finally pops her clogs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Ask me when Thatcher dies, in fact ask anyone in old Industrial towns in Britain and anyone with the faintest whiff of Republicanism in them.

    Oh, and though I did not cheer his death, I wasn't all too gutted for Brian Lenihan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭McNulty737


    starlings wrote: »
    Did you cheer Jimmy Saville's death when you heard the accusations against him? Or Milosevic's in custody? Surely the satisfaction should be in seeing them being held to account, as this child-murderer was, rather than their deaths?

    No, Jimmy Saville died an old, free man. I would have cheered if he had died a slow, painful death however. In my opinion, living out your life in a cushy jail cell with regular meals, conjugal visits and sky tv is not justice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    I prefer quiet satisfaction to cheering.

    I think it depends on circumstance, really. Not so much in this case as the guy was already doing the punishment for his crime, but in circumstances where the guy needed killing, such as Chris Dorner or OBL, I'm quite OK with it.

    You may want to see someone killed, but that does not mean they "needed killing". I'd say their real need was to stay alive.

    It's not just a grammatical quibble - if you wish for someone's death, at least be honest about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭McNulty737


    Hoop66 wrote: »
    That's not real justice, I'm afraid. It is revenge. Where does that get us?

    So the brother of the guy who was killed, surely he's entitled to his revenge? So he kills the two guys who killed him. What about the fathers of those two guys?

    In my opinion it is justice, see my above post about living out your life in a cushy jail cell.

    As for the hypothetical brother scenario, no he's not entitled to his revenge - the only true crime committed here was the murder of a child, it was the killers own actions which ultimately led to his own death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Burky126


    I remember hearing around the time of Bin Laden's death,that even the Dalai Lama himself said that it's fine sometimes to have a "lack of compassion" when someone dies.Take that as you will...

    Just don't be a complete asshat when dancing your little heart out on someones grave.You know,decorum and all that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    As another poster mentioned, there's a big difference between cheering on and not mourning someone. There's plenty of people that I didn't feel sad about or feel the world would miss them.

    Charlie Haughey for one- felt the world was a better place to be rid of him. That said, I didn't laugh or rub my hands together in glee either.

    Wishing someone dead just seems so ghoulish :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Yes sometimes it's ok to cheer a death. Plenty of people deserve to die and this sick fúcker was one of them - i for one am happy he's dead - good fúcking riddance you steaming pile of shít.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    I was at a gig in the Olympia when they announced Kurt Cobain's death. Some people cheered. Morons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Brien


    OP the question you asked was in "after hours", where a quick read will show people genuinely looking forward to some celebrity deaths (ricky gervais and des bishop were the last two I can remember reading).

    Yes, some people will have no problem cheering the death of a rapist/ murderer (im not upset myself fwiw), but are you surprised by the responses you have so far gotten??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    "Here's a toast to the dead, for my enemies that are gone; I'm not a coward so celebrating not would be wrong."
    - Immortal Technique

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUUVhmJYuSM


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭RainMaker


    Up until quite recently (it's less than 60 years since the last execution in this country!) was still quite common to have public executions - hangings, guillotine, crucifixion, stoning, etc. Still goes on in other parts of the world.

    In this case, I wouldn't have any problem if somebody cheered his death.

    If President Assad was killed, I am sure you would have thousands of people on the streets rejoicing - see Gaddafi, Saddam, etc Previous to them I am sure people cheered Hitler and Stalin's deaths.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭DipStick McSwindler


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Wattle wrote: »
    I was at a gig in the Olympia when they announced Kurt Cobain's death. Some people cheered. Morons.

    You see that I cannot understand, what did Kurt Cobain ever do to anyone. War Lords, Rapists, Paedophiles, Murderers, Heartless Politicians, I understand, but not a rock star. I mean, seriously, there were those who celebrated Michael Jackson death too, why, he never went out and butchered innocent people, quite the opposite, he was for tolerance and acceptance. I know there was the controversy but in all fairness, sounds like money grabbers to me. I know as a mother, if anyone went at my child, no out of court settlement would ever be enough to get me to call off a case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭DipStick McSwindler


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭whitewave


    Did anyone else read "West Murcia" in that article as West 'Murica? Was thinking this happened in LA or something...

    Anyway, back to the topic. No, I don't think it's right to cheer someone's death. Yes, this guy was a scumbag, but I don't think anyone has the right to take another person's life (which I'm aware he did himself, doesn't mean two wrongs make a right).

    That said, he didn't deserve to be on the streets either. He should have spent the rest of his miserable life in prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Thud


    Hypothetical question, if they put this guy into an arena with say tigers would you cheer his dead then?

    ....i'm off to contact TV3 about a new idea for a reality tv show


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Oh, and though I did not cheer his death, I wasn't all too gutted for Brian Lenihan.

    While I wasn't gutted when he died, I certainly wasn't remotely happy about it, nor did I feel any level of schadenfreude about it. It was an awful way to go.

    When Maggie Thatcher kicks it, it'll most likely be the closest I ever feel to happy about a death. Although she has Alzheimer's now, which is one of the worst things that could happen a person, and I'm not overly sad for her to be honest. Maybe a little sorry for her family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    While I wasn't gutted when he died, I certainly wasn't remotely happy about it, nor did I feel any level of schadenfreude about it. It was an awful way to go.

    When Maggie Thatcher kicks it, it'll most likely be the closest I ever feel to happy about a death. Although she has Alzheimer's now, which is one of the worst things that could happen a person, and I'm not overly sad for her to be honest. Maybe a little sorry for her family.

    No matter how evil, self centred or just plain horrible a person is, I feel sorry for their families when they die. I did not get the sudden pang that many Irish get when a person dies for Brian Lenihan, you know they, "Ah but sure you can't say that now, he's dead" He aided in the downfall of our country and I will not forget that. But he had two young girls if I am not mistaken, and for them I feel the world of sympathy, same with the Thatcher family as a whole, just not for her.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    I'm waiting for the death of Polio.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




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