Can't afford a night out? You're poor!

MiseryMary · 14-02-2013 04:03PM

TGi666 wrote: »

whats the price of a pint these days?
€4.50? that's 2 pints for €9
or stay at home €10 for a 6pack of your choice
I know what I'd be choosing anyway

I agree Its alot cheaper in buying 6 pack for 10 and staying in the comfort of your house instead of going out to pay something like 4.50 per a glass drink its ridiculous I'm not poor to go out but still people are watching on what they spend. For social I like to meet in town in a coffee place.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 14-02-2013 04:05PM

mark renton wrote: »

Yes, apparently the well to do can put half a kilo of mince into spag bol, the rest of us are on about 125g

I didn't say it was making sense

Orim · 14-02-2013 04:10PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

read the posts - you'll get the gist of what people are saying

its not good - its the typical "I'm alright Jack..f**k you" attitude. I'm quite happy with my mindset - I can see someone who hasn't seen the other side of life from a mile away. It comes with experience. Can't wait for some of these posters to have some life "experiences" - it will soften their cough.

What experience is this? Or what's your great life lesson that none of us are aware of?

I'm not rich, never been rich.
My schoolbooks were wrapped in wallpaper.
Never got the little cartons of milk at lunch.
First holiday I was 9
First foreign holiday I was 14
Never had a car in the family
I've lived in flats that could get cold enough that I could see my breath
Had to crash on a couch in my mams for about 6 months

That's just a small sampling. But I've never considered myself or the family to be poverty stricken. But maybe that's not enough "experiences" to comment.

What is your definition of poverty?

Loosely speaking I would say that poverty is having to put the roof over your head at risk in order to eat after you've given all luxeries. This may be a bit harsh so I would again say that the European material deprivation measure posted earlier is perhaps a fairer measure.

Fighting Irish · 14-02-2013 04:10PM

TGi666 wrote: »

whats the price of a pint these days?
€4.50? that's 2 pints for €9
or stay at home €10 for a 6pack of your choice
I know what I'd be choosing anyway

some people don't drink for the alcohol

juan.kerr · 14-02-2013 04:16PM

Fighting Irish wrote: »

some people don't drink for the alcohol

Indeed. And some people drink too much alcohol.

the_syco · 14-02-2013 04:31PM

G Power wrote: »

we are social creatures so yes not being able to socialise without sacrificing some other essential for a week or two is certainly being poor in my mind

Football = €2

Playing football on a green area = free

You don't have to pay stupid money to socialise.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 04:32PM

Aiyana Microscopic Sergeant wrote: »

No idea what you're on about.

i know. One day you will.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 04:38PM

Orim wrote: »

What experience is this? Or what's your great life lesson that none of us are aware of?

I'm not rich, never been rich. check
My schoolbooks were wrapped in wallpaper. check
Never got the little cartons of milk at lunch. check
First holiday I was 9 - lucky you
First foreign holiday I was 14 really lucky you
Never had a car in the family - check
I've lived in flats that could get cold enough that I could see my breath - and hot enough to burn - yes, I know
Had to crash on a couch in my mams for about 6 months - how about the floor

That's just a small sampling. But I've never considered myself or the family to be poverty stricken. But maybe that's not enough "experiences" to comment.

What is your definition of poverty?

Loosely speaking I would say that poverty is having to put the roof over your head at risk in order to eat after you've given all luxeries. This may be a bit harsh so I would again say that the European material deprivation measure posted earlier is perhaps a fairer measure.

what do you mean by luxuries? You do know there are people struggling to survive and keep a roof over their head in this country - you do know that people are going crazy here at the thought of somebody wanting to go for an odd pint for their social sanity - you do know that not one person has mentioned all the money being paid off to bondholders but instead they want to attack the little guy as usual.

You seem from your post that you come from the 70's / 80's era - a completely different era to what we have now. You should count yourself luck you had both holidays in ireland and holidays abroad. I hope you didn't rent that flat you lived in - the people here would be up in arms - they are already up in arms about a roast dinner / a pint. Imagine if they thought you were going on foreign holidays while living in a flat. :P:P

j8wk2feszrnpao · 14-02-2013 04:40PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

i know. One day you will.

I doubt it, and I don't want to.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 04:42PM

Aiyana Microscopic Sergeant wrote: »

I doubt it, and I don't want to.

i know that too - that's the problem with this country - no one wants to know anything - they all just want to biatch about what others do/don't have. usually they are way off the mark but hey - thats beside the point. the sooner we start watching out for each other the better - otherwise the only ones affording the luxury will be the bondholders and government. Time to wake up.

lazygal · 14-02-2013 04:45PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

i know that too - that's the problem with this country - no one wants to know anything - they all just want to biatch about what others do/don't have. usually they are way off the mark but hey - thats beside the point. the sooner we start watching out for each other the better - otherwise the only ones affording the luxury will be the bondholders and government. Time to wake up.

I was wondering when someone would blame the bondholders for the lack of budgeting skills in many people.

Orim · 14-02-2013 04:46PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

what do you mean by luxuries? You do know there are people struggling to survive and keep a roof over their head in this country - you do know that people are going crazy here at the thought of somebody wanting to go for an odd pint for their social sanity - you do know that not one person has mentioned all the money being paid off to bondholders but instead they want to attack the little guy as usual.

You seem from your post that you come from the 70's / 80's era - a completely different era to what we have now. You should count yourself luck you had both holidays in ireland and holidays abroad. I hope you didn't rent that flat you lived in - the people here would be up in arms - they are already up in arms about a roast dinner / a pint. Imagine if they thought you were going on foreign holidays while living in a flat. :P:P

I havn't seen anyone attack the little guy, or give out about someone wanting to go out for the odd pint. What I have seen is people questioning the definition of poverty and how it is being applied based on the article originally posted.

I honestly feel like we've been reading different threads so with that I think I will bow out of the conversation.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 04:47PM

lazygal wrote: »

I was wondering when someone would blame the bondholders for the lack of budgeting skills jobs, money in many people the country.

FYP.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 04:47PM

Orim wrote: »

I havn't seen anyone attack the little guy, or give out about someone wanting to go out for the odd pint. What I have seen is people questioning the definition of poverty and how it is being applied based on the article originally posted.

I honestly feel like we've been reading different threads so with that I think I will bow out of the conversation.

you need to go back and read the posts then orim.

Herb Powell · 14-02-2013 04:55PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's bad enough that the middle class/coping class have to financially carry all the unemployed, without having to pick up their bar tab as well.

What the fucck?

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Did anyone put a gun to your head and told you: you have to have kids, huge stupid mortgage which makes no sence? NO! You wanted kids? Then think in advance how you will pay for that pleasure. You took stupid mortgage? Well your own foult for being idiot. I live here 8 years and I was here when boom went off. I did had money to buy the house. Did I? Nope, because it was fecking madness.

20k eu per year is a fantastic wage.

€20,000 is not "Fantastic" for most people, you are talking out your ass.

I absolutely hate this attitude of "Oh you should have thought about that before you had children!". Fucck off.

strandroad · 14-02-2013 04:58PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

i know that too - that's the problem with this country - no one wants to know anything - they all just want to biatch about what others do/don't have. usually they are way off the mark but hey - thats beside the point. the sooner we start watching out for each other the better - otherwise the only ones affording the luxury will be the bondholders and government. Time to wake up.

No need to be so condescending. Perhaps people who disagree with you have experienced all sorts of misfortunes in life already and that's exactly how they know that not being able to go to the pub or have a Sunday roast is not poverty. I for one have and during that time to have all basics bar lifestyle choices paid for would be an opportunity to snap someone's hand off for.

Try presenting your point of view in front of someone in genuine poverty and deprivation. It won't hold.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 14-02-2013 04:59PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

i know that too - that's the problem with this country - no one wants to know anything - they all just want to biatch about what others do/don't have. usually they are way off the mark but hey - thats beside the point. the sooner we start watching out for each other the better - otherwise the only ones affording the luxury will be the bondholders and government. Time to wake up.

You're the one doing the biatching.

I said I'd no idea what the hell you were on about when you said:

fishy fishy wrote: »

I can see it from a mile off. the high-horse riders. ah, they'll fall off their horses one of these days.

And that was after challenging your 'gist' of people's comments that they were giving the impression that only the rich are entitled to have any sort of life; which isn't true.

That's isn't "no one wants to know anything".
That's just not wanting to try decipher gibberish.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-02-2013 05:07PM

I'd love to know your background fishy fishy, and that's in a genuine way, not a smart arse way.

I'm not sure are you in the "very poor" (posssibly un-employed) category for a while (a few years) or have you had a good lifestyle back in the boom days but since the recession have taken a tumble (was a pretty high earner, then suffered pay cuts or job loss).

Might make it easier to understand your point of view.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 05:11PM

Kamryn Loud Navel wrote: »

I'd love to know your background fishy fishy, and that's in a genuine way, not a smart arse way.

I'm not sure are you in the "very poor" (posssibly un-employed) category for a while (a few years) or have you had a good lifestyle back in the boom days but since the recession have taken a tumble (was a pretty high earner, then suffered pay cuts or job loss).

Might make it easier to understand your point of view.

i don't give out personal information here, but needless to say I think I would try to see all points of view - this country is full of people who love putting people less fortunate down - there are vibes on this thread that people on the breadline are not entitled to have an odd pint - they should go for a walk, they should eat offal, they should refrain from having children, they should count themselves lucky - try mention a bondholder (yes a bondholder and the govt who will NEVER have to worry about going for an odd pint) and people rear up.

I hope it keeps fine for all you people - life has a funny way of leveling things out - do not judge those less fortunate - it could be you someday.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 05:14PM

Kamryn Loud Navel wrote: »

I'd love to know your background fishy fishy, and that's in a genuine way, not a smart arse way.

I'm not sure are you in the "very poor" (posssibly un-employed) category for a while (a few years) or have you had a good lifestyle back in the boom days but since the recession have taken a tumble (was a pretty high earner, then suffered pay cuts or job loss).

Might make it easier to understand your point of view.

wrong on all counts supersonic.
the more life you live, the more experience you have. Thats all.

Some of the posts on here sounds like they come from 18 - 25 year olds who don't know they're born yet.

lazygal · 14-02-2013 05:23PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

wrong on all counts supersonic.
the more life you live, the more experience you have. Thats all.

Some of the posts on here sounds like they come from 18 - 25 year olds who don't know they're born yet.

I'm 31 and I've been working since I was 16, have been to college (I bet you see that as some sort of disadvantage to knowing the 'real world'), bought my own home, and have a family. In between I've lived and worked abroad, dealt with cancer in the family, and got married. What real life experience am I missing to qualify for your definition of knowing about life?

um7y1h83ge06nx · 14-02-2013 05:25PM

Yeah I am wrong, I honestly thought you were quite young.

In my experience (again MY experience) older people tend to be quite "battle hardened" to the point of almost being desensitized.

My mother for instance saw her mother hemorrhage and die from blood loss after labour when she was 11. Her father then fell into a downward spiral of depression, and contracted Polio. He was then out of action so a bunch of kids and teenagers ran the farm and household, my mother was essentially the housewife and mother at 14-15. How they didn't get taken into care was a miracle (being friendly with the local Gardaí probably helped keep people away). Really rough stuff.

Now she's pretty desensitized to this recession, nothing short of the apocalypse would faze her. Me, I'm 29 and haven't had such a difficult upbringing I'll concede. Although because of that I feel a bit more 'shaken' the recession than her.

kupus · 14-02-2013 05:42PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

i don't give out personal information here, but needless to say I think I would try to see all points of view - this country is full of people who love putting people less fortunate down - there are vibes on this thread that people on the breadline are not entitled to have an odd pint - they should go for a walk, they should eat offal, they should refrain from having children, they should count themselves lucky - try mention a bondholder (yes a bondholder and the govt who will NEVER have to worry about going for an odd pint) and people rear up.

I hope it keeps fine for all you people - life has a funny way of leveling things out - do not judge those less fortunate - it could be you someday.

Welcome to boards, but it does seem a lot of posts are made by people born with silver spoons in their mouths. and the champagne socialists life that goes with it. Makes it a bit more interesting in one way.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 05:52PM

lazygal wrote: »

I'm 31 and I've been working since I was 16, have been to college (I bet you see that as some sort of disadvantage to knowing the 'real world'), bought my own home, and have a family. In between I've lived and worked abroad, dealt with cancer in the family, and got married. What real life experience am I missing to qualify for your definition of knowing about life?

isn't that very nice for you.

does not give people the right to put people down that could not afford to do this.

pickarooney · 14-02-2013 05:52PM

How often do you need to buy a coat? Once every five years at most, surely?

lazygal · 14-02-2013 05:54PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

isn't that very nice for you.

does not give people the right to put people down that could not afford to do this.

Can you quote my posts where I put anyone down? Is my life experience not valid in terms of my response to things?

orestes · 14-02-2013 05:55PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

i don't give out personal information here, but needless to say I think I would try to see all points of view - this country is full of people who love putting people less fortunate down - there are vibes on this thread that people on the breadline are not entitled to have an odd pint - they should go for a walk, they should eat offal, they should refrain from having children, they should count themselves lucky - try mention a bondholder (yes a bondholder and the govt who will NEVER have to worry about going for an odd pint) and people rear up.

I hope it keeps fine for all you people - life has a funny way of leveling things out - do not judge those less fortunate - it could be you someday.

Doesn't matter a hell if someone is entitled to go for a pint or not, if they can afford to, they ain't living in poverty. Poverty isn't not being able to go out for a drink or not being able to afford a roast dinner, it's having your dinner donated by St Vincent de Paul and eating it in the cold cos you can't afford to turn on the heating.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 06:00PM

lazygal wrote: »

Can you quote my posts where I put anyone down? Is my life experience not valid in terms of my response to things?

really lazy gal. I am posting generally. I even say in my posts 'SOME POSTERS". you keep coming back as if I am posting about you personally - Im not. Why so defensive. its not all about you.

fishy fishy · 14-02-2013 06:01PM

orestes wrote: »

Doesn't matter a hell if someone is entitled to go for a pint or not, if they can afford to, they ain't living in poverty. Poverty isn't not being able to go out for a drink or not being able to afford a roast dinner, it's having your dinner donated by St Vincent de Paul and eating it in the cold cos you can't afford to turn on the heating.

ahem, this thread is about people NOT being able to afford it. :rolleyes:

Electric Sheep · 14-02-2013 06:02PM

kupus wrote: »

The Pub is dead

Long live YOUR life.

Only in Ireland would NOT going to a bar be seen as a bad thing.

Can't afford a night out? You're poor!

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