"Irish fecking Mammies!"

summerskin · 13-02-2013 01:06PM

crockholm wrote: »

Could you not just let us have this one, you know,after all the negative stereotypes about us,can we not just have something like this. You do seem to be very unhappy in Ireland.

Not at all, just curious about why everything has to be uniquely irish.

hoodwinked · 13-02-2013 01:15PM

Gambas wrote: »

There's a mad need in Ireland to set ourselves apart. Exceptionalism.

We're the best fans in the world and the most suicidal country in the world. Biggest banking collapse ever, fastest growing economy in the world, best educated, heaviest drinkers, the most craic, have the greatest sports in the world, the worst roads in europe, most scenic country in the world, most oppressed people ever, highest emigration levels. All made up nonsense. All made up and peddled by ourselves.

Is it any wonder then that our mammies need to be made out to be exceptional too? Imagine if we faced up to the fact that we are unremarkable?

You have a point there,

there is a lot of keeping up with then beating the joneses going on here....

MugMugs · 13-02-2013 01:26PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

From the age of 15 I was cooking the dinner after school so it would be ready for my parents when they got home from work.

If I wanted my clothes washed and ironed I'd to do it myself.

any 'Mammy' who does everything for hers sons is doing them no good at all.

Loads of my mates have left home not having a clue how to look after themselves.

One in particular still eats out every day and has to get his flatmate to iron a shirt for him any time he's going out.

All the fault of the mothers.

Any mother who does everything for their children isn't raising them properly

I resent this.

I was one of those sons, I moved out and learnt how to do what I needed to do and motivated myself to do it. It's sink or swim in this world.

Just because there are a lot of lazy people in the country doesn't mean MY mother didn't do a good job by looking after me.

Henlars67 · 13-02-2013 01:31PM

MugMugs wrote: »

I resent this.

I was one of those sons, I moved out and learnt how to do what I needed to do and motivated myself to do it. It's sink or swim in this world.

Just because there are a lot of lazy people in the country doesn't mean MY mother didn't do a good job by looking after me.

resent all you like. Over-mothering is bad parenting in my opinion

13-02-2013 01:50PM

LordSutch wrote: »

No idea what all this 'Irish Mammy' thing is about, and I say that as somebody who grew up in South Dublin.

Ok, 'Irish Mum' then. JOKE!!!

BraziliaNZ · 13-02-2013 02:19PM

My mother mothers the bejesus out of my 36 year old older brother because he was always so retarded when it came to cooking or cleaning and anything domestic growing up. I was the opposite in that I loved cooking and used to follow my mam around watching her cook and eventually telling her how to do it my way etc.
Now when I'm home he always gets offered food and coffee and all sorts but I just seem to be invisible.
So it's as much the son's fault as the mother, but it's not just an Irish thing. Maybe it's more evident because we all live at home until we're 40.

MugMugs · 13-02-2013 02:21PM

Henlars67 wrote: »

resent all you like. Over-mothering is bad parenting in my opinion

How is it over mothering?

Henlars67 · 13-02-2013 02:24PM

MugMugs wrote: »

How is it over mothering?

Doing all the cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing etc for a son well into his teens or even 20's is over mothering. don't see how it isn't.

XxMCRxBabyxX · 13-02-2013 02:26PM

Gambas wrote: »

There's a mad need in Ireland to set ourselves apart. Exceptionalism.

Except that that's not an Irish thing either. Pretty much every nationality has the same mindset about their country.

Rasheed · 13-02-2013 07:31PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Why didn't you just get outta there. Sounds like you would have been better off in a Magdelene laundry.

Ah go way will ya, it wasn't that bad. I'm guessing you're not from a farming background and a big family are you? The lads worked hard outside and me inside and my parents twice as hard as us all. I loved it, wouldn't change it for the world.

And if I'm blessed with a family the cycle will probably continue with with the lads outside and the girls inside.

poeticseraphim · 13-02-2013 07:52PM

Mum's and Dad's rule worldwide they're awesome / thread

hames · 13-02-2013 08:03PM

summerskin wrote: »

One thing I hear ad nauseum in this country is this bizarre notion of the "irish mammy". They seem to be treated as some magical creature that cannot be found in any other nation. As though they are the only ones who go to mass, do the cooking etc and spoil their sons rotten by not having them do any housework or learn to cook etc, therefore having them grow up to be useless mammy's boys.

Isn't that what a selection of mothers do pretty much every where in the world? I grew up in England, and some of my friends had mothers like that, some didn't. in Italy it's rife, Portugal too, among others.

Personally I think they are appalling, the sons in particular don't learn anywhere near enough life lessons, and often the daughters are treated as second class citizens.

So come on, why are they held in such regard, as "irish mammies", instead of just being mothers, like everywhere else?

Not really.

Ireland is reasonably unique in Western Europe in terms of motherhood.

What other western European country gives mothers so little say in their own reproductive health?
There are women who are still of working age, who were forced to retire from their jobs, by law, when they got married; that was happening up until the 1970s.

It's no wonder that the Irish view of motherhood is particularly quaint and domestic one relative to other European states where that image might have existed, but not have been so widely applicable.

Rasheed · 13-02-2013 08:12PM

poeticseraphim wrote: »

Mum's and Dad's rule worldwide they're awesome / thread

When you're lucky. I feel blessed every day with the parents I had.

Some people haven't our luck of having good parents.

iguana · 13-02-2013 11:27PM

summerskin wrote: »

So come on, why are they held in such regard, as "irish mammies", instead of just being mothers, like everywhere else?

They aren't held in high regard in anyway that I've ever experienced. The term is at best one of exasperated affection or often just plain annoyance. It's not a term that's used to describe any Irish woman who is a mother but a particular type of mother who has a very smothering style of parenting, worships her sons and holds her daughters to higher standards. She also usually has a 'sensible' short haircut that I always feel is a (subconscious) signal that she is no longer interested in being sexually attractive.

pragmatic1 · 13-02-2013 11:42PM

What you say bout my mamma?

daithi1970 · 13-02-2013 11:46PM

I can remember living in a house share and coming downstairs mid morning on a day off to find one of my housemates mother polishing the doors..when I asked why she was doing that she replied that ,,"sure Im only looking for something to clean.." Here's a thought, maybe we should put Irish mammies in charge of the cleaning in the hospitals.....

oh and by the way, Jesus was obviously Mexican. Or possibly Puerto Rican. The clue is in the name..

daithi

parc · 14-02-2013 12:48AM

summerskin wrote: »

One thing I hear ad nauseum in this country is this bizarre notion of the "irish mammy". They seem to be treated as some magical creature that cannot be found in any other nation. As though they are the only ones who go to mass, do the cooking etc and spoil their sons rotten by not having them do any housework or learn to cook etc, therefore having them grow up to be useless mammy's boys.

Isn't that what a selection of mothers do pretty much every where in the world? I grew up in England, and some of my friends had mothers like that, some didn't. in Italy it's rife, Portugal too, among others.

Personally I think they are appalling, the sons in particular don't learn anywhere near enough life lessons, and often the daughters are treated as second class citizens.

So come on, why are they held in such regard, as "irish mammies", instead of just being mothers, like everywhere else?

chillax man. it's not our or our mammy's fault that they are sound and we had a good upbringing

PaganKing · 14-02-2013 12:56AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Whenever my ma was down at mine, she'd route around for recycling or do a quick clean over some things.

A flatmates ma was somewhat similar as well.

Did you see this kind of stuff in England too?

The place wasn't even a mess like... just not very organised...

Oh and as she keeps telling me, Vinegar with some Lemon, good for the ole cleaning.

Talking About Me Ma?!

"Irish fecking Mammies!"

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