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Ipsos MRBI poll: Fianna Fáil most popular party

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  • #62
    SellingJuan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭SellingJuan


    omahaid wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, FF will be back in power after the next election. We'll have the same cronyism back and we'll have another *ahem* boom. I advise people to buy property now in expectation of the next property bubble.
    Where To wrote: »
    Disappointing but hardly surprising.


    Oh yea, I mean our current leaders are class, ermurrgrrr... An Taoiseach was on Time magazine taking credit for the cuts the previous government did. The budget is amazing, I was soo happy with all the extra charges, to make sure our "highly educated" politicians with "third level degrees" could continue to work.

    Not to forget how well the 5 point plan is working. I think Ireland as it is should be a leader in showing other nations how to take priority in looking after everybody else BUT their own people.


  • #63
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,839 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    the groutch wrote: »
    bear in mind this poll was before promnight, and FF's voting in favour of the rushed bill will probably drag their support down a good bit.

    Also before the governments poor handling of the Magdalene laundries revelations.


  • #64
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    the groutch wrote: »
    bear in mind this poll was before promnight, and FF's voting in favour of the rushed bill will probably drag their support down a good bit.
    Supporting something that was widely seen as a positive thing should be a benefit to them, but the government parties will gain most from the ECB deal.


  • #65
    jupiterjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭jupiterjack


    cant believe i have just seen this, this must be some kind of joke...


  • #66
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    We really never learn do we?

    This poll makes me think we deserve everything we get :mad:


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  • #67
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Why aren't SF showing big progress though? They should, FF are ineffecual and tarnished so SF should be up on 25% or so.

    Another case of Boards and politics.ie not reflecting popular opinion. Those who shout the loudest do not mean louder votes.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #68
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    K-9 wrote: »
    Why aren't SF showing big progress though? They should, FF are ineffecual and tarnished so SF should be up on 25% or so.

    Another case of Boards and politics.ie not reflecting popular opinion. Those who shout the loudest do not mean louder votes.

    Gerry Adams is the one holding back SF, he needs to step aside and let Mary Lou & Pearse take them onwards and upwards.


  • #69
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Our current government and FF are one of the same. There is fcuk all difference between them. Currently with FG in government, they've behaved the same way - it's all about their pockets and full they can fill them without holes developing in them. FG and FF. We might as well call an election tomorrow and vote FF back in. There is no difference.

    FG are in power now two years and they've done nothing meaningful in relation to reform that's badly needed in many areas. Money wastage happening everywhere. Reward themselves and their cronies. I could go on.

    GREED GREED GREED


  • #70
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    K-9 wrote: »
    Another case of Boards and politics.ie not reflecting popular opinion.
    Thank Christ for that.


  • #71
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    Was this every really in any doubt though. The polls will fluctuate until the next general elections but then it will be a case of who will FF go into power with to form a coalition.

    Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, Labour and The conservative Party, Democrats and Republicans etc, etc.

    Taking their turn at running a country safe in the knowledge, that no matter what, they will eventually get a return to power. Act without responsibility while in power and then blame the opposition for everything while their not.

    All these political parties are too ingrained within their respective societies, usually through mindless family tribalism, for anything to ever change. Get the core supporters to vote your way and use short memories to convince enough idiots to put you back in power.

    I think I'm more than entitled to point out the obvious and repetitive nature of our political system as I have a doctorate in misanthropy.


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  • #72
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    As for Labour, they're vegetables. Just like the other vegetables we booted out - Na Glasraí


  • #73
    tim3000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭tim3000


    As long as its not Sinn Fein .... It doesn't matter who we have in power cronyism will always exist in this state one way or the other. Ireland is just too small for it not to.


  • #74
    phoenix999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 581 ✭✭✭phoenix999


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Will we ever learn. Come back FF all is forgiven, they are up to 26% .Also notice that 'Others' are up to 21%. So if we have an election it'll be FF plus Ming and Mick et al in government. Why do we get stupid government? Because we have a stupid electorate.

    People have short memories. Look what happened in Japan. The Democratic Party ( who won their first election since WWII) in 2009 were absolutely annihilated in the 2012 election. And voters gave the Liberal Democrats (who had only been thrown out a few years before) a landslide victory. If the jobs situation doesn't improve here, and with two more austerity budgets to come, Fianna Fáil could easily be back in the driving seat come the next election.


  • #75
    tippspur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭tippspur


    It's enough to make a man sick.


  • #76
    jjbrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭jjbrien


    phoenix999 wrote: »
    If the jobs situation doesn't improve here, and with two more austerity budgets to come, Fianna Fáil could easily be back in the driving seat come the next election.

    Its for that reason that my wife and I are emigrating to the US as soon as possible. Im sick and tired of living in a country that lets these muppets back in.

    As for labor they will if they keep going go the way the PD's did.


  • #77
    Sierra Oscar
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    the groutch wrote: »
    Gerry Adams is the one holding back SF, he needs to step aside and let Mary Lou & Pearse take them onwards and upwards.

    The reason Adams is still leader is because the party would split down the middle if Mary Lou or Doherty took over as leader in the morning.

    The Northern side of the party will not accept them as leaders, especially Mary Lou who is viewed with utmost distrust - particularly due to her former membership of FF. I suspect that the hardcore republicans, who have significant control over the party but are shunned by the wider electorate, also view them somewhat with contempt. They cant really viably chose to have one party leader for the north and one for the south, as that would be partitionist thinking.

    It is the greatest stumbling block that SF faces.


  • #78
    dizzywizlw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 584 ✭✭✭dizzywizlw


    It's simple...we institute a dictatorship...


  • #79
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    the groutch wrote: »
    Gerry Adams is the one holding back SF, he needs to step aside and let Mary Lou & Pearse take them onwards and upwards.

    They speak well. I prefer Ross and Higgins myself. Ross is more to the point.
    jjbrien wrote: »
    Its for that reason that my wife and I are emigrating to the US as soon as possible. Im sick and tired of living in a country that lets these muppets back in.

    As for labor they will if they keep going go the way the PD's did.

    Well FG/FF are more or less the PD's of the 00's. The Dail would be a far better place for having O'Malley's PD's, McSharry FF, Garret FG and Labour of the 80's, with De Rossa WP, instead of having a centrist Dail.

    I don't buy SF, they'll be Labour in a decades time.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #80
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/country-needs-ff-says-fg-minister-26828159.html
    Country needs FF says FG minister Brian Hayes

    Two cheeks of the same..........****


  • #81
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    token101 wrote: »
    So what we should just forget about everything Sinn Fein's done, and continues to do, just to hammer everyone else?

    Nobody is saying we should forget what happened, but it is pathetic bringing up the same irrelevant arguments every single time Sinn Fein is mentioned in any context. It was pathetic when Enda Kenny tried it in the Dail recently to avoid answering a question and it is pathetic here too. It is about on the same level intellectually as someone trying to praise the Germans for their handling of the current economic crisis only to be constantly hit by "Oh yeah? Well remember what they did to the Jews!!!".

    Already in this thread we had mention of SF's dodgy dealings with bank money (perhaps a reference to the unsolved raid on Northern Bank). The funny thing is that we have very prominent members of the current Government who belonged to a party with criminal links to fund-raising robberies and money laundering. Do we continuously rabbitte on about this at every opportunity? No, and rightly not.


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  • #82
    samsemtex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 935 ✭✭✭samsemtex


    jjbrien wrote: »
    Its for that reason that my wife and I are emigrating to the US as soon as possible. Im sick and tired of living in a country that lets these muppets back in.

    As for labor they will if they keep going go the way the PD's did.

    The country has proven beyond all dount that it is incapable of running itself. I'll be returning to Canada next year and it saddens me to say i probably wont miss this place even a little bit. Something is very very rotten in this country. It's so refreshing to live in a place that cares about how they want their society to work. A collective community spirit as opposed to the me, me, me culture that rings through here. This is a most dysfunctional country. God i wish it wasnt true but it is.


  • #83
    TheLastMohican
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    omahaid wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, FF will be back in power after the next election. We'll have the same cronyism back and we'll have another *ahem* boom. I advise people to buy property now in expectation of the next property bubble.

    Are you Brendan O'Connor?


  • #84
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    The reason Adams is still leader is because the party would split down the middle if Mary Lou or Doherty took over as leader in the morning.

    The Northern side of the party will not accept them as leaders, especially Mary Lou who is viewed with utmost distrust - particularly due to her former membership of FF. I suspect that the hardcore republicans, who have significant control over the party but are shunned by the wider electorate, also view them somewhat with contempt. They cant really viably chose to have one party leader for the north and one for the south, as that would be partitionist thinking.

    It is the greatest stumbling block that SF faces.

    That's an extremely misleading argument. Adams taking a seat in the Dail didn't suddenly create a situation where the leader of Sinn Fein in the Dail is the national leader of Sinn Fein. Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin held that position for twelve years and it didn't cause any problems. You need to distinguish between reality and your own analysis.


  • #85
    dowistrepla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭dowistrepla


    SellingJuan wrote: »
    Oh yea, I mean our current leaders are class, ermurrgrrr... An Taoiseach was on Time magazine taking credit for the cuts the previous government did. The budget is amazing, I was soo happy with all the extra charges, to make sure our "highly educated" politicians with "third level degrees" could continue to work.

    Not to forget how well the 5 point plan is working. I think Ireland as it is should be a leader in showing other nations how to take priority in looking after everybody else BUT their own people.

    I'm sorry that I'm picking your post as the starting point for the rant, but the thought of FF returning to power thoroughly depresses me and your post encapsulated part of the mindset which will bring them back into power...

    The focus on optics over tangible decisions and insular short terms over looking at the wider picture is whats disturbing about the Irish electorate. Enda may appear at times like a babbling and stuttering schoolchild whose brought to the front of class to teach the other kids, but personally I dont give a **** if the decisions his government make will alleviate the pressure on us in the long run. And its not that I'm particularly fond of much of the FG/Labour government

    As to the budget, seriously what did you expect? The days where we live in a delusional land of vast overspending are gone, and not soon enough. A basic ability to distinguish causation from correlation would help you discern who really is responsible for all the cutbacks and household charges. Quick hint, you won't find many of them hanging around the Dail these days(bar MM and a few select others). And in terms of helping ourselves, the renegotiation of the promissory not is obviously far from an ideal scenario, but its a damn sight better than any of the alternatives.

    Again sorry for the rant, you probably arn't even pro-FF, I'm just basically outraged at all the moral outrage(insofar as it contains any possibility of FF returning to power):pac:


  • #86
    johnr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭johnr1


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    i agree with you. i was reading the other day that another deep recession is expected for 2024. these come in cycles and are engineered

    what do you think people that own property but are selling (me) should do

    That's interesting. Did it refer to a world recession or just here in Ireland? Our demographics suggest a boom of some sort for about 2035 as the babies of today's baby boom begin earning and consequently spending. We were ripe for the last one as McWilliam's "popes children" matured.
    World events took over though, as this was compounded by the switchover to the euro giving us low interest rates when we needed higher ones leading to cheap credit.

    Tbh, Lehmans and the American property crash did us a favour as our problems would have been ten times worse had the madness continued a few years longer.

    Sorry, totally off topic, but much more interesting imo.:cool:


  • #87
    omahaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    TheLastMohican wrote: »
    Are you Brendan O'Connor?

    Yep


  • #88
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    samsemtex wrote: »
    The country has proven beyond all dount that it is incapable of running itself. I'll be returning to Canada next year and it saddens me to say i probably wont miss this place even a little bit. Something is very very rotten in this country. It's so refreshing to live in a place that cares about how they want their society to work. A collective community spirit as opposed to the me, me, me culture that rings through here. This is a most dysfunctional country. God i wish it wasnt true but it is.

    Is Canada so perfect?

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canada-ranked-worst-of-g7-nations-in-fighting-bribery-corruption/article592312/


  • #89
    NinjaK
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    Just shows the need for a new political party..


  • #90
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    the groutch wrote: »

    Gerry Adams is the one holding back SF, he needs to step aside and let Mary Lou & Pearse take them onwards and upwards.
    The same doesn't seem to be the case for michael martin, who has been a leading member of fianna fail throughout the partys years of cronyism, lies, manipulation, and fraud!


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  • #91
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    I'll walk behind my local ff politicians when there out canvassing, with a big poster of bertie aherns smiling face. And 'remember this lying bastard' written across it if I have to!


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