Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

Almaviva · 08-02-2013 10:00PM

Folks, following yesterday's deal, whats the interest in changing the march into one of support and approval for the governement, and a celebration of the improvement in Ireland's prospects ?

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2013 10:09PM

G Power wrote: »

if we all hit the streets regularly we could force those in government that actually want to work for us to tell the troika to stick their repayments up their h0les cos they created every step that led us into this mess in the first place. you are correct in sayin the money is already poured into the failed banks but it's never too late to say we're not paying it back, therefore no debt. Simples

I'm sure you understand that the present government won't do that. But the next election is in 2016 at the latest when only a small enough amount of the money will have been handed over. All that needs to happen is for enough people to vote for Sinn Fein and their new government will repudiate the deal and save us all the rest of the money. Simples.

rambutman · 08-02-2013 10:10PM

I personally would be totally cool if the thousands that show up tomorrow would do it again real soon, and keep doing it until everyone of the crazies that can end this enslavement of the future generations here in Ireland were left with no other choice but to save us all and let the banks and their debts go to hell!!

I 100% totally agree with this but its too little too late. We should have been out protesting late 2009 and early 2010 before the cash was handed back to the banks.

I used to go to myself WTF about the graffiti/socialist marches that were going on late 2010/2011 along the lines of "SMASH NAMA"..............WTF? smash away - they were about 4 tranches of repayments in at that stage.

G Power · 08-02-2013 10:14PM

rambutman wrote: »

I 100% totally agree with this but its too little too late. We should have been out protesting late 2009 and early 2010 before the cash was handed back to the banks.

I used to go to myself WTF about the graffiti/socialist marches that were going on late 2010/2011 along the lines of "SMASH NAMA"..............WTF? smash away - they were about 4 tranches of repayments in at that stage.

never say never my friend, sure we've got people now telling us that it's illegal for the ECB to write down the debts now it's been changed but what i'm talking about is where the law won't even come into it if we brought things to the point where they just had to write it down or this country just stops participating in their system

dxhound2005 · 08-02-2013 10:31PM

G Power wrote: »

never say never my friend, sure we've got people now telling us that it's illegal for the ECB to write down the debts now it's been changed but what i'm talking about is where the law won't even come into it if we brought things to the point where they just had to write it down or this country just stops participating in their system

Any future government can walk away from this deal. And take us out of the Euro zone or even out of the EU altogether. There are plenty of people looking to get elected who are proposing such policies (stop participating in their system). Let's see if they can get elected and make it all happen.

woodoo · 08-02-2013 10:53PM

Almaviva wrote: »

Folks, following yesterday's deal, whats the interest in changing the march into one of support and approval for the governement, and a celebration of the improvement in Ireland's prospects ?

Is this Enda's wife?

rambutman · 08-02-2013 11:09PM

Any future government can walk away from this deal. And take us out of the Euro zone or even out of the EU altogether. There are plenty of people looking to get elected who are proposing such policies (stop participating in their system). Let's see if they can get elected and make it all happen.

I am 100% against the re-capitalisation of the banks...................but this sort of thing to me really stinks of agreeing to something and down the line actually thinking about it and deciding you're not up for it.

Forgive the analogy but its like buying a bag of weed on tick and deciding after you've smoked it that you don't like it.

And i stress once again i am 100% against recapitalising the banks..............BUT the banks have already been recapitalised

Nonoperational · 09-02-2013 12:33AM

I know it's hard for people in certain circumstances, but I don't see the alternatives. It's all well and good to say to burn the bondholders and slash the pay of people earning 100k per year, but that's much easier say from a position where you can't possibly implement it.

We were in an awful place and we are slowly digging ourselves out of it. Our social welfare rates are still decent and hopefully in another few years we will be back to some sort of normality.

People are so quick to blame everyone else for this. The fact of the matter is that for a long time the country was living beyond it's means. There was a free for all in social welfare, a free for all in public service pay, people took on ridiculous personal debt, bought houses they could never afford... Bankers went mental trying to match Anglo and the whole thing went tits up. Fianna Fail were elected time and time again because people never had so much money.

I won't be joining this protest.

K-9 · 09-02-2013 12:39AM

20Cent wrote: »

He didn't suggest the bank guarantee.

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2011/11/15/recent-inaccuracies-re-the-bank-guarantee

20Cent wrote: »

Here's something he wrote two weeks after that:
http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2008/10/19/bank-guarantee-will-mean-survival-of-the-weakest

It would have been far better to have followed the Swedish or Swiss approach, by sticking to the three-phased programme, weeding out the guilty while recapitalising the system using government preference shares.

Now we potentially have the worst of all worlds. The moral of the story is that, when you try to satisfy the left- and the right-wing, you end up with a dog’s dinner. This is hardly the best platform for recovery.

Anyway I guess the point being made is why believe someone who was wrong before in the past. This is pretty absurd since everyone has been wrong in the past. We all read and evaluate what we think of things and decide ourselves.

Look I could go back and dig out quotes from the Business Post that said he thought we'd have a booming IFSC sector and all the big finance multi-nationals all over Europe coming to us, with us all enjoying the fruits of their toils, us all opening bottles of champagne now. That wasn't going to happen either, even if we got it right. The guy is a self publicist and good luck to him, he hasn't even produced economic studies in years unlike Gurdgiev, Whelan, Coffey, guys like that. We tried the quick fix route, it doesn't work and just because McWilliams proposes another quick fix doesn't mean we should do that.

I don't think his idea was a platform for recovery either. A guy who loves the sound of his own voice combined with a naive Minister for Finance who swallowed it and ignored Department of Finance advice, bankers looking to save their bacon and here we are.

If we'd ignored McWilliams from the start and listened the the DoF, Anglo wouldn't even be an issue now.

G Power · 09-02-2013 12:41AM

Nonoperational wrote: »

I know it's hard for people in certain circumstances, but I don't see the alternatives. It's all well and good to say to burn the bondholders and slash the pay of people earning 100k per year, but that's much easier say from a position where you can't possibly implement it.

We were in an awful place and we are slowly digging ourselves out of it. Our social welfare rates are still decent and hopefully in another few years we will be back to some sort of normality.

People are so quick to blame everyone else for this. The fact of the matter is that for a long time the country was living beyond it's means. There was a free for all in social welfare, a free for all in public service pay, people took on ridiculous personal debt, bought houses they could never afford... Bankers went mental trying to match Anglo and the whole thing went tits up. Fianna Fail were elected time and time again because people never had so much money.

I won't be joining this protest.

if you're worried about the bondholders then you don't really know how hard it is for over 1,600,000 of us and growing day by day!!

jesus wept for the lack of any pride in this flipping country!!

AudreyHepburn · 09-02-2013 12:57AM

samsemtex wrote: »

And following ludicous policies that just kill what little domestic economy we have left will magic jobs out of thin air?

FFS, whinging and moaning is exactly what those people who are accepting the governments decisions all the while saying "tis terrible but sure what choice have they" are doing. Moaning with no action is just that. Being disgusted with what is happening and going out and doing something about it is another matter completely. People like you genuinely dont deserve democracy. You just dont understand it. When an elected government is not doing what it was mandated to do then it is the peoples duty to do something about it. Not to just be a lazy sod and say stop whinging. They are very clearly doing nothing they said in their election manifesto and people like you who let them get away with that are the ones who are the cause of this nonsense repeating itself over and over. If you dont hold politicians to account then why bother voting?

As for saying protesting achieves nothing what happened with the cuts to the old age pension again a few years ago? Oh yeah, they rallied, kicked up a massive fuss and got the decision reversed. But yeah, sure they were only whinging.

I swear to god, a hell of a lot of people in this country do not deserve a vote.

Argh....i know its utterly pointless talking to you though.

Yes it is utterly pointless trying to make your point to me if all you are really doing is insulting me and jumping to conclusions about what I think and do.

Of course I hold corrupt politicians/developers/bankers to account. But I also have the common sense to understand supply and demand and know they weren't in it alone.

But it's probably just as pointless talking to you. You seem to be spoiling for a fight. Or do you merely get a kick out of childish insults?

AudreyHepburn · 09-02-2013 01:02AM

KyussBishop wrote: »

Where does this boneheaded idea come from, that if you just go out there and put in the effort, you can get a job or create one for yourself; that you can pull yourself up by your own bootstraps?

Why on earth would we have such high unemployment if it were that obvious and simple; there are only enough jobs for 1 out of 26 people, and how on earth are you going to setup a viable business, when consumer demand is so low, and actually getting money to start a business in the first place is difficult.

It's total fairyland "blame the victim for not putting in effort" territory; protest is about the only thing that can be done for a lot of people, because how else do you propose the necessary political change be brought about?

It's very strange really, the derision people put out towards protesting and protestors; I don't understand that (apart perhaps, from those who object for half-witted ideological reasons), it's almost like they are offended, that other people can be arsed to go out and make the effort to promote change, when they themselves can't be bothered.

As I said way back in this thread, discouraging protest with the argument "it won't change anything", is ironically self-defeating, because it's exactly that attitude which leads to nothing changing; these people are also fond of the "well what are the alternatives" line of argument on economic issues, so then what is your alternative, to protesting? What are you going to do, that's going to have any modicum of political difference, if you don't get out and protest? (because it is political change that is needed; people won't just pull themselves up by their bootstraps)

It's like these people don't have any concept of the history of political activism, and can't think of any instance where protest has had any meaningful change; it reduces into just a cynical advocacy to shut up, sit down, and stick with the status quo.

Don't trot out the same tired nonsense either, of demanding solutions and alternatives from me; I've gone through that already in the thread here and in other threads, giving out detailed solutions that would resolve the crisis; lets hear a solution from the naysayers, that doesn't involve our country self-destructing in slow motion, by sitting through widescale unemployment and social/economic destruction for a decade.

Since when is suggesting people get proactive and actually get out there and try to change their lives instead of standing around whinging about their situation, boneheaded?

Don't patronize or lecture to me please either. It only makes you look full of it.

frankosw · 09-02-2013 01:08AM

G Power wrote: »

if we all hit the streets regularly

people wont hit the streets as long as they have the dole,alcohol and the internet....the only time some people hit the streets is when they're going to the offy in thier pajamas.

G Power · 09-02-2013 01:32AM

frankosw wrote: »

people wont hit the streets as long as they have the dole,alcohol and the internet....the only time some people hit the streets is when they're going to the offy in thier pajamas.

this is true enough nut doesn't allow for a tipping point pushing the majority over the edge and that can happen any day now, there's over 1,600,000 on less than 50 at the end of the month after bills like. that and the mortgage **** about to hit the fan is tipping point material right there imo

Nonoperational · 09-02-2013 01:57AM

G Power wrote: »

if you're worried about the bondholders then you don't really know how hard it is for over 1,600,000 of us and growing day by day!!

jesus wept for the lack of any pride in this flipping country!!

So you honestly think it would be better if we defaulted on our debt?

Don't Jesus Wept me, I put in 60+ hours a week trying to get where I am trying to go. I never said it was easy, but the fanciful notion we can ignore paying whatever we want and everything will be great, well I don't think that would work.

I've plenty pride. I love this country and it seeing it like it is now isn't pleasant. But I've yet to hear a genuine alternative that doesn't belong in a fairytale.
How exactly do you know there are 1.6 million people with €50 disposable income per week by the way?

7 7 12 · 09-02-2013 02:00AM

What time is this little protest starting in Dublin , I'm bored and have nothing to do tomorrow

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 02:21AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes it is utterly pointless trying to make your point to me if all you are really doing is insulting me and jumping to conclusions about what I think and do.

Of course I hold corrupt politicians/developers/bankers to account. But I also have the common sense to understand supply and demand and know they weren't in it alone.

But it's probably just as pointless talking to you. You seem to be spoiling for a fight. Or do you merely get a kick out of childish insults?

Right here is a logical question. Fine Gael said in their election manifesto that the Banks would not get one single red cent from them if they got into power. Within 12 months they had given the banks another 20 billion euro. Yesterday they gave them another 31 billion euro.

I don't understand how you think I need to justify protesting on the streets anymore than reading that above.

How big does the lie to the public have to be? It doesnt get any bigger than that lie. There is not way to justify a lie of that magnitude.

They have to be forced out.

edit: they had to be forced out, it doesnt matter now. Since FF or FG are now guaranteed to be in the next government it's not going to change.

Nonoperational wrote: »

So you honestly think it would be better if we defaulted on our debt?

Don't Jesus Wept me, I put in 60+ hours a week trying to get where I am trying to go. I never said it was easy, but the fanciful notion we can ignore paying whatever we want and everything will be great, well I don't think that would work.

I've plenty pride. I love this country and it seeing it like it is now isn't pleasant. But I've yet to hear a genuine alternative that doesn't belong in a fairytale.
How exactly do you know there are 1.6 million people with €50 disposable income per week by the way?

Pride and Irish people together in the same sentence? Are you having a laugh? No country with any sense of self respect or pride would let what has happened here happen. This was not an Irish banking crisis. It was a European banking crisis. We have accepted paying 11,000 euro per person to save the bacon of European banks while the average person across all other member states has lost 192 euro. So what you are saying is the average Irish person was 100 times more reckless with their money than the rest of europe? Seems logical.

What kind of people with pride or self respect allows that to be forced on them with not a peep of rebellion or protest?

What kind of people with pride allow their country to reach levels of emmigration not seen since the famine? And still not a peep. What kind of proud people allow their government tell them one of the biggest pre election lies that has ever been told and takes no action whatsoever to make them answer to what they have done?

You're only idea of pride is based around how much money you have. The concept of a country should go much much further than that. Where are out basic principals. Ideals that we would never lose sight of in the pursuit of money? What are they? Drinking? I suppose thats the only thing that brings us together now.

Oh yeah and did you see Fianna Fail, the party who supposedly caused all this are now the most popular party in the country again? Oh yeah, real pride there lads. That thought them a lesson. 5 years out of power, they'll never mess with us again.

In the space of 3 days this countriy's people have shown their true colours. I suppose the reaction of the public to the 1916 rebels said it all about the people of this country and not much has changed since. They were fighting for freedom of the Irish people and all that they got in return was heckled and jeered by the Dublin public on their final trip to execution. None of the cretins deriding them could see the bigger picture. Once the people were getting along with their lives and keeping the head down and out of trouble they didnt want to hear of anybody wanting something better.
They had no vision of a brighter future for their children. It's the same now, a people who are spineless, short sighted and have nothing but self interest at heart.

The Irish mantra: Keep the head down and it'll all work out. Whatever you do don't draw attention to yourself or try to make things better.

What does this country stand for? Nothing. Nothing at all.

Cue cynical non responses suggesting that i am comparing the protesters to the 1916 rebels.

20Cent · 09-02-2013 02:55AM

K-9 wrote: »

Look I could go back and dig out quotes from the Business Post that said he thought we'd have a booming IFSC sector and all the big finance multi-nationals all over Europe coming to us, with us all enjoying the fruits of their toils, us all opening bottles of champagne now. That wasn't going to happen either, even if we got it right. The guy is a self publicist and good luck to him, he hasn't even produced economic studies in years unlike Gurdgiev, Whelan, Coffey, guys like that. We tried the quick fix route, it doesn't work and just because McWilliams proposes another quick fix doesn't mean we should do that.

I don't think his idea was a platform for recovery either. A guy who loves the sound of his own voice combined with a naive Minister for Finance who swallowed it and ignored Department of Finance advice, bankers looking to save their bacon and here we are.

If we'd ignored McWilliams from the start and listened the the DoF, Anglo wouldn't even be an issue now.

McWilliams had no power the dept of finance did they decided what to do noting to do with him. I don't claim he's a sage or a genius or whatever but just judge people for what they say. It only came up in the thread because it was claimed he was behind the bank guarantee therefore whatever he says for the rest of his life is invalid. A silly assumption on every level and also untrue. If one has a problem with the article quoted then say whats wrong with it and discuss it but setting up a strawman is boring and not even true.

Your last line makes no sense btw.

20Cent · 09-02-2013 02:56AM

7 7 12 wrote: »

What time is this little protest starting in Dublin , I'm bored and have nothing to do tomorrow

Be in the Christchurch area about 1.

KyussBishop · 09-02-2013 03:27AM

starlings wrote: »

Turning to cooperative trade and networks at local level IS political change. It's already happening. It will take some time for it to be supported -even understood- from the top down, but we have to start somewhere instead of demanding that the hands-tied government sort it all out for us.

I'm not against protests, as I've already said on this thread- just that I think this one is far far too many angry voices, many of them angry with each other, shouting into the wind. No doubt it will be cathartic for some to express their anger, and good for them, but it's not for me.

Fair enough; co-ops are pretty interesting alright, and definitely something I'd like to see more of (and they can be pretty powerful locally, if supplemented with local micro-currencies too, sidestepping the shortage of available money in the general economy).

I'd say they'll be taking a much bigger role in business/society through the future (the game company Valve, is a particularly interesting setup for that; Yanis Varoufakis has a great read on that here, make sure to check the two starting links as well).

Sparks43 · 09-02-2013 10:58AM

Cloudy skies clearing from 1 onwards

Strange route for the protest hope we get a good turnout and all goes safely

Nonoperational · 09-02-2013 11:23AM

samsemtex wrote: »

You're only idea of pride is based around how much money you have. The concept of a country should go much much further than that. Where are out basic principals. Ideals that we would never lose sight of in the pursuit of money? What are they? Drinking? I suppose thats the only thing that brings us together now.

Oh yeah and did you see Fianna Fail, the party who supposedly caused all this are now the most popular party in the country again? Oh yeah, real pride there lads. That thought them a lesson. 5 years out of power, they'll never mess with us again.

In the space of 3 days this countriy's people have shown their true colours. I suppose the reaction of the public to the 1916 rebels said it all about the people of this country and not much has changed since. They were fighting for freedom of the Irish people and all that they got in return was heckled and jeered by the Dublin public on their final trip to execution. None of the cretins deriding them could see the bigger picture. Once the people were getting along with their lives and keeping the head down and out of trouble they didnt want to hear of anybody wanting something better.
They had no vision of a brighter future for their children. It's the same now, a people who are spineless, short sighted and have nothing but self interest at heart.

The Irish mantra: Keep the head down and it'll all work out. Whatever you do don't draw attention to yourself or try to make things better.

What does this country stand for? Nothing. Nothing at all.

Cue cynical non responses suggesting that i am comparing the protesters to the 1916 rebels.

Not at all. My idea of pride is to be able to get up in the morning, decide I'm going to work damn hard and know that there's is the potential to achieve something and be appropriately rewarded.

You are obviously superior to most of the posters on this forum, so I won't interfere with your soapbox any longer. Be sure not to give any plausible alternatives by the way. They would only interfere with your berating of Ireland and her people from your high horse. I hope you find more happiness in Canada.

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 11:35AM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Not at all. My idea of pride is to be able to get up in the morning, decide I'm going to work damn hard and know that there's is the potential to achieve something and be appropriately rewarded.

You are obviously superior to most of the posters on this forum, so I won't interfere with your soapbox any longer. Be sure not to give any plausible alternatives by the way. They would only interfere with your berating of Ireland and her people from your high horse. I hope you find more happiness in Canada.

Pardon me for having ideals buddy. When a country sells itself out completely for money its pretty hard not to be enraged. Glad you think you can work hard and be properly rewarded for it. As for being able to work hard and be rewarded, you really do have to be joking.
It is now very close to impossible to run a successful business in this country. You can work as hard as you want but the government policies have ensured that everything possible will be done to make things hard for you. The cost of employing people is ridiculous, empolyers liability is huge, council rates are driving companies under every day, adding taxes to fuel when the price of oil has sky rocketed, etc, etc.

I have never seen a country that has done more to stop people achieving success through starting their own business than here. And of course there is no protection for self employed people when they do lose their businesses. Not to even begin mentioning the fact that 250,000 of your protential customers have just left the country and the majority of the remainder dont have the disposeable income to purchase from you. A huge number of people have worked incredibly hard and done all the right moves and there is nothing more they could do. How on earth can you say this is still a country that promotes being rewarded for hard work. They try to take everything off you after your hard work.

So you tell me then, what does modern Ireland stand for?

dxhound2005 · 09-02-2013 12:10PM

samsemtex wrote: »

Pardon me for having ideals buddy. When a country sells itself out completely for money its pretty hard not to be enraged. Glad you think you can work hard and be properly rewarded for it. As for being able to work hard and be rewarded, you really do have to be joking. It is now very close to impossible to run a successful business in this country. You can work as hard as you want but the government policies have ensured that everything possible will be done to make things hard for you. The cost of employing people is ridiculous, empolyers liability is huge, council rates are driving companies under every day, adding taxes to fuel when the price of oil has sky rocketed, etc, etc. I have never seen a country that has done more to stop people achieving success through starting their own business than here. And of course there is no protection for self employed people when they do lose their businesses. A huge number of people have worked incredibly hard and done all the right moves and there is nothing more they could do. How on earth can you say this is still a country that promotes being rewarded for hard work. They try to take everything off you after your hard work.

So you tell me then, what does modern Ireland stand for?[/QIUOTE]

Not all areas of private enterprise are suffering. For example even in a recession the gambling companies are able to separate vast amounts of money from the populace and in the process pay fabulous salaries to their executives (think many multiples of what any politician gets). Similarly with pay TV services which in the new age of Saorview and Freesat are still getting around one million people to pay for TV. And our favourite airline is doing OK. Maybe we need the people who are so succesful in private business to go into politics and show us how it should be done. But would they take a 80% cut in wages?

jaffacakesyum · 09-02-2013 12:10PM

I think it boils down to this; two types of people:

The people who don't support the governments actions in the past that have got us into this mess, but don't stand around moaning and whinging. They prefer to get up in the morning, work their hardest and go home in the evening and try to work through this mess.

The people who are outraged at what has happened (understandably) but decide to spend their efforts rebelling instead of working towards a solution or getting on with their lives.

Ultimately you land in one of these categories. I don't fall into the latter myself, but I don't think I'm superior to them either. I think this is the difference here. People who fall into the latter group are talking to us like we're children just because we don't agree with spending our afternoon p1ssing and moaning. I have work to do*

*bit of irony there as I'm procrastinating on boards.ie at the moment

Nonoperational · 09-02-2013 12:14PM

samsemtex wrote: »

Pardon me for having ideals buddy. When a country sells itself out completely for money its pretty hard not to be enraged. Glad you think you can work hard and be properly rewarded for it. As for being able to work hard and be rewarded, you really do have to be joking. It is now very close to impossible to run a successful business in this country. You can work as hard as you want but the government policies have ensured that everything possible will be done to make things hard for you. The cost of employing people is ridiculous, empolyers liability is huge, council rates are driving companies under every day, adding taxes to fuel when the price of oil has sky rocketed, etc, etc. I have never seen a country that has done more to stop people achieving success through starting their own business than here. And of course there is no protection for self employed people when they do lose their businesses. A huge number of people have worked incredibly hard and done all the right moves and there is nothing more they could do. How on earth can you say this is still a country that promotes being rewarded for hard work. They try to take everything off you after your hard work.

So you tell me then, what does modern Ireland stand for?

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I haven't given up hope.

starlings · 09-02-2013 12:26PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I think it boils down to this; two types of people:

The people who don't support the governments actions in the past that have got us into this mess, but don't stand around moaning and whinging. They prefer to get up in the morning, work their hardest and go home in the evening and try to work through this mess.

The people who are outraged at what has happened (understandably) but decide to spend their efforts rebelling instead of working towards a solution or getting on with their lives.

Ultimately you land in one of these categories. I don't fall into the latter myself, but I don't think I'm superior to them either. I think this is the difference here. People who fall into the latter group are talking to us like we're children just because we don't agree with spending our afternoon p1ssing and moaning. I have work to do*

*bit of irony there as I'm procrastinating on boards.ie at the moment

I'd march to your house to thank you for this!

samsemtex · 09-02-2013 12:27PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I think it boils down to this; two types of people:

The people who don't support the governments actions in the past that have got us into this mess, but don't stand around moaning and whinging. They prefer to get up in the morning, work their hardest and go home in the evening and try to work through this mess.

The people who are outraged at what has happened (understandably) but decide to spend their efforts rebelling instead of working towards a solution or getting on with their lives.

Ultimately you land in one of these categories. I don't fall into the latter myself, but I don't think I'm superior to them either. I think this is the difference here. People who fall into the latter group are talking to us like we're children just because we don't agree with spending our afternoon p1ssing and moaning. I have work to do*

*bit of irony there as I'm procrastinating on boards.ie at the moment

Again what a load of horse ****. I and all my family work very hard and are all working but are still outraged at what is happening. And a huge number of the other people who will be marching are also still in employment.

You're train of thought makes no sense. People are marching (most of whom are also working) to show the government that their solution is not the right one. How is sitting at home sitting at home, going to work and sucking it up working towards a solution.

Of course you are so busy at work you only have time to do one or the other . God knows you must be tired after all the solutions you offer up on a day by day basis. :rolleyes: Laziness at its finest.

The Waltzing Consumer · 09-02-2013 01:31PM

samsemtex wrote: »

Right here is a logical question. Fine Gael said in their election manifesto that the Banks would not get one single red cent from them if they got into power. Within 12 months they had given the banks another 20 billion euro. Yesterday they gave them another 31 billion euro.

I don't understand how you think I need to justify protesting on the streets anymore than reading that above.

How big does the lie to the public have to be? It doesnt get any bigger than that lie. There is not way to justify a lie of that magnitude.

They have to be forced out.

Here is the FG manifesto
http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Fine%20Gael%20Manifesto%20low-res.pdf
Can you show us this is all stated, I can't find it

jaffacakesyum · 09-02-2013 01:51PM

samsemtex wrote: »

Again what a load of horse ****. I and all my family work very hard and are all working but are still outraged at what is happening. And a huge number of the other people who will be marching are also still in employment.

You're train of thought makes no sense. People are marching (most of whom are also working) to show the government that their solution is not the right one. How is sitting at home sitting at home, going to work and sucking it up working towards a solution.

Of course you are so busy at work you only have time to do one or the other . God knows you must be tired after all the solutions you offer up on a day by day basis. :rolleyes: Laziness at its finest.

Nope, not laziness. I don't like to waste my time p1ssing and moaning about something that is not going to change.

I prefer to get on with my life.

People who spend their efforts looking for work or looking for business opportunities or services that are missing or volunteering with charities or educating themselves or setting a new goal or task for themselves are spending their time much more wisely than marching on the streets yelling meaningless slogans "JOBS NOT DEBT JOBS NOT DEBT" Oh, gee never thought about that :rolleyes:

Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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