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Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

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    #182
    Doctor Strange
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    dismantling the concept of marriage
    Yes or no: Did allowing interracial marriage dismantle the concept of marriage? Cause I'm sure it was the same right-wing loons arguing such when that was being legalised.


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    #183
    eyescreamcone
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »

    Legitimising abortion, dismantling the concept of marriage and banishing faith education in Irish schools.

    Thats what its like in 'Liberal' Ireland...:(

    In a liberal Ireland nobody would be forced to partake in abortions, gay marriages and would be free to teach their children anything they like.

    However, in your 'traditional' land... ;)


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    #184
    Silvio.Dante
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    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Yes or no: Did allowing interracial marriage dismantle the concept of marriage?.

    Of course not. Silly question...:rolleyes:


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    #185
    Doctor Strange
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Of course not. Silly question...:rolleyes:

    Well then, how is this different? All we're looking for is that two people that love each other can get ****ing married. Seriously, substitute the word "interracial" for "gay/homosexual" in your argument, and tell me that sits okay with you.


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    #186
    NuMarvel
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    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Yes or no: Did allowing interracial marriage dismantle the concept of marriage? Cause I'm sure it was the same right-wing loons arguing such when that was being legalised.

    Let's be fair. These are a completely different set of right-wing loons. But they do all sound the same because they're using the same arguments.

    That said, I think allowing women to be regarded as equals in marriage instead of being the property of the man has done more to dismantle "traditional" marriage than anything else in the history of the institution.

    I miss the days when a woman's value could be measured in livestock... :(


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    #187
    eyescreamcone
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    And as for locking up "fallen women" in concentration camps/laundries...
    That's a good tradition that we should continue ;)


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    #188
    Silvio.Dante
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    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Well then, how is this different? All we're looking for is that two people that love each other can get ****ing married. Seriously, substitute the word "interracial" for "gay/homosexual" in your argument, and tell me that sits okay with you.

    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?


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    #189
    Delirium
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?

    Incorrect. It varies by country.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #190
    Nodin
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?

    You mean the institution of marriage as practiced by - amongst others - the RCC.

    Marriage has generally been between a man and women or man and woman. More rarely its been between a woman and men or those of the same gender. Some cultures have/had no formal bonds at all. Marriage wasn't a sacrament and didn't require a priest until around the mid 1500's. It's therefore a young institution.


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    #191
    Silvio.Dante
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    koth wrote: »
    Incorrect. It varies by country.


    Well the Right to Travel is there for anyone who wishes to avail of it...:)


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    #192
    Delirium
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Well the Right to Travel is there for anyone who wishes to avail of it...:)

    As is the right to amend existing legislation to recognise same-sex marriages. I think it's about time Ireland grew up and removed the "Right to Travel" as an excuse to put off doing what's necessary.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #193
    Silvio.Dante
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    koth wrote: »
    As is the right to amend existing legislation to recognise same-sex marriages. I think it's about time Ireland grew up and removed the "Right to Travel" as an excuse to put off doing what's necessary.

    Good luck with that...


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    #194
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Truly, this one post shows the intolerance of the Liberal Agenda...

    You have paid me a great compliment Silvio, one that I am not worthy of, but thanks anyway :)

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #195
    NuMarvel
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Well the Right to Travel is there for anyone who wishes to avail of it...:)

    You'd rather force parents watch their children emigrate to find a place where they can live as equals than offer them that right here?


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    #196
    Delirium
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Good luck with that...

    It's inevitable that it will happen here. There are no good reasons that a civilized society shouldn't allow for it.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #197
    Doctor Strange
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The institution of marriage is between a man and a woman. Did this bit go over your head..?

    Can you justify this statement WITHOUT religion?


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    #198
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Can you justify this statement WITHOUT religion?

    and in any case, what we are talking about is civil marriage. Religion should butt out.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #199
    Corkfeen
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Good luck with that...

    Those evil liberalistas tend to win over time. Idiotic and archaic views such as that of David Quinn or John Waters are not shared by most people in Ireland . ;)


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    #200
    Bannasidhe
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Those evil liberalistas tend to win over time. Idiotic and archaic views such as that of David Quinn or John Waters are not shared by most people in Ireland . ;)

    What kind of hat are liberalistas meant to wear? I would be horrified if I inadvertently wore the wrong one. :eek:


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    #201
    Corkfeen
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What kind of hat are liberalistas meant to wear? I would be horrified if I inadvertently wore the wrong one. :eek:

    A fedora, I personally go all out and dress like Jack Nicholson in Chinatown. (Nose plaster and all) Then I nefariously plot to take over the world and destroy marriage... T'is like The Pinky and Brain with cheap suits.


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    #202
    Silvio.Dante
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    NuMarvel wrote: »
    You'd rather force parents watch their children emigrate to find a place where they can live as equals than offer them that right here?

    The parents can travel aswell...


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    #203
    Silvio.Dante
    Site Banned Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭Silvio.Dante


    Unforgettable _ Fire wrote: »
    Can you justify this statement WITHOUT religion?

    there you go again with the religion obsession...:rolleyes:


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    #204
    Delirium
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The parents can travel aswell...

    Charming, Ireland says GTFO to Irish same-sex couples and extended family. :rolleyes:

    I can't believe you could suggest such a facile answer to social policy.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #205
    Nodin
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    there you go again with the religion obsession...:rolleyes:


    Can you justify the position without using a religous argument?


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    #206
    Bannasidhe
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    A fedora, I personally go all out and dress like Jack Nicholson in Chinatown. (Nose plaster and all) Then I nefariously plot to take over the world and destroy marriage... T'is like The Pinky and Brain with cheap suits.

    Damn. I've been wearing a trilby. :o:o


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    #207
    NuMarvel
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    The parents can travel aswell...

    Or, let's save them the money and the hassle, and just change the law here.

    And anyone who doesn't like it always has the right to travel. ;)


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    #208
    Doctor Strange
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    there you go again with the religion obsession...:rolleyes:

    That's a no then? Your cognitive and moral dissonance is quite saddening.


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    #209
    Doctor Strange
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    Also, if you have such a problem with Gay marriage, I have the perfect solution: Don't have one yourself :P


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    #210
    The Mad Hatter
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    koth wrote: »

    I can't believe you could suggest such a facile answer to social policy.

    I can.


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    #211
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Those evil liberalistas tend to win over time. Idiotic and archaic views such as that of David Quinn or John Waters are not shared by most people in Ireland . ;)

    It's impossible to take either of them seriously. Quinn's naked careerism shines through everything he says. Waters is a professional contrarian, railing against the oldsters in the 80s and now fighting to save Mother Church from all those nasty liberals who believe in people making up their own minds :rolleyes:

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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