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Going wild. really sorry for repost.

  • 08-02-2013 03:55PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13


    i'm really sorry for repost but the "nature" was the first i could find, but then discovered this so i thought i might get better feedback from here. so:

    Hello,

    Long story short...i have no job...my girlfriend either...so rather than saying "homeless" we decided to call it "outdoor hippies" smile.png so we have 1k euros left. the main plan is to buy a 500 euros caravan...and other esential equipment for the other 500. She loves to write and i love nature, so we settled to find a remote place in a forest, where we can do our things, preferably for the lowest costs posible. i might have to become an expert mushroom picker pretty fast.
    We are located in the wocklow county, so wicklow park was our first choice.
    Does anyone know any places we should consider ? we will need a river/stream...and if fishing is posible would be great.
    We have been camping before, and we love it, but we would greatly apreciate any insights, because we kind of feel once we start it there will be no returt. at least for a while. lol smile.png
    So...survival tips ? easy to find food in the forest ? Locations where the park rangers won't shoo us away ?


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    If you mean putting a caravan in the Wicklow Mountains National Park, then you will be moved on very quickly http://www.wicklowmountainsnationalpark.ie/CampingCaravaning.html

    You will probably find it difficult to get a spot anywhere, your best bet would be to talk to farmers and see if they would let you use a small piece of land for a reasonable rent.

    Your budget is incredibly small, you might want to factor in transporting the caravan to the site also? Otherwise, I'd imagine you should consider heading very far west. There are a number of sites and "communes" around the west of Ireland with like minded people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 yaurt


    Well, we are going to ask a friend to tow us wherever we will "plant ourselfs" ...and already put the gas money in the budget...and i know its small...but its what we're dealing with here :) we expect to receive some more money later on...like 500 euros a month from my family for a while...but i imagine we will use those for comsumables and stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 yaurt


    Also...in the wicklow park rules...they say its not serviced...but would they mind us camping there for a while ? we know about the rules and stuff...and we will be carefull not to mess up the ecosistem... :) ive already emailed them with some questions...and its been like 5 days and still no answer.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    It is very strictly controlled. You would have the locals and visitors complaining to the authorities about your presence. It's a national park after all...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    I have to say this isn't a great idea. Okay you'll have a caravan so at least some shelter, but picking mushrooms and wild plants can be a lethal business if you don't know what you're doing. Take a look at the link in my sig for more information on that.

    Trying to live off the land in a sort of hunter-gatherer manner is not really possible in a place like Ireland, nor is it adviseable to try. All that "countryside" out there is owned by someone, and if you're planting crops on their land without permission the reaction might be fairly unpleasant. Never mind being shooed away, you could get a load of birdshot through the window. Country folk can be a bit mad sometimes.

    And there is sod all food in a forest unless it's the right season and/or you know what to look for. You'd do better by a seashore as long as you really love salty food but I'm not sure how well a €500 caravan would stand up to that kind of weather.

    You're talking about picking up a whole variety of quite involved if not terribly complicated, seasonally useful skills essentially overnight - does that sound realistic? Also have you considered what to do in case of food poisoning, illness, a broken leg and so on?

    Whatever the case it won't be a Disney Saturday afternoon spectacular, most people live in houses for a reason.

    Away from all that, with no fixed abode you won't be eligible for any social welfare payments or assistance. When you drop back in or when your family stops giving you money, you'll need to get a job straight away, because the community welfare officers have no cash these days. Just something to keep in mind.

    Other than that, best of luck! I'm genuinely not trying to rain on the parade, just mentioning a few basic realities before you get started.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭mawk


    A 500e tent would go a lot further than a caravan. Might stop some complaints being lodged about ye too. If you follow..

    All in all though.. Its a pretty rough budget.

    If land ownership wasn't a problem and you already had gear.. Maybe then.

    What about the hoop end of shirken or hare island? Or go further.. Hebredies?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭sheesh


    absolute non starter unless there is someone out there that needs someone on their land 24/7.......

    If you had any experience in hunting and trapping you might get a job as a game keeper somewhere (if those kind of jobs still exist)

    remember straight off you will fuel, food, drinking water, somewhere to go to the toilet, all this in a much smaller space than you ever would have had before.

    I know of a place near Tralee that has a security Guard 24/7 and it is pretty remote and probably has a caravan for him to stay in. something like that might do you.

    Remember people are very defensive about land in a way that some 'townies' do not really seem to understand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 yaurt


    Thanks everyone for the replys :) the thing is...we're already decided to do it. :) so i guess we will just experience all of those. other than that...we won't exactly be on "survival mode" ...we can relly on "some help" if disaster strucks...but we would rather not. and we are documenting outselfs towards everything else that should be know. this thread is kind of the same thing. so...bottom line...everyone believes that ireland is not the place to do that ? ive searched "communes" "hippie communes" ....but it doest get me anywhere...does anyone knows something practical about them ? also...the way i should phare the question is...what would you do IF you were forced to live outside ? what IF going back into a city (from an oficial point of view) would not be a posibility anymore ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭aaakev


    Fair play to ya's, id love to do aomething like that but ither comitments mean it wouldnt be possible for me now..

    Not really something to be taken lightly and i think very irrisponsible to go unprepaired which is what you both seem to be.

    Learn some skills first, this is not going to be like camping..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    yaurt wrote: »
    ive searched "communes" "hippie communes" ....but it doest get me anywhere...does anyone knows something practical about them ?

    Without sounding or coming across as smart.
    Have you thought about joining the Shell To Sea Protesters. (If its still going?)
    Im not getting into the rights and wrongs of the Hi-Jacked protest, but that could be a good way of breaking into the inner circle of Communes in Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 yaurt


    Saying it again. we will do this. its not like our first choice. :) maybe suggest a part of europe where its posible ? also...for the actuall realistic aproach let's say 1k euros for the first equipment purchase, and then 500 euros a month for expenses...we're not saying we will never go to a hospital if one of us breaks his legs. just that...what/how would u aproach it ? i mean common....even considering evading authorities around that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 yaurt


    yeah...im from romania, so there are large forests...no one watches them....teaming with wildlife...but lots of big predators too...bears/wolves..but they are usually to afraid to come close to camps...so...bottom line is....ireland is not the place to have that experience ? anyone any insights about the continent ? i know the farther we would go towards the east (even ukraine, my grandparents are from russia) the easyer it would be to be "free" from that point of view...but...we also want the "peacefull western european people" thing going on...so...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    aaakev wrote: »
    Not really something to be taken lightly and i think very irrisponsible to go unprepaired which is what you both seem to be.

    Learn some skills first, this is not going to be like camping..
    Yeah, I admire the spirit of the endeavour but really, there was a young lad a couple of years back who decided to trek across some fields on his way home from a party, took a quick nap and never woke up. Exposure did for him, and this was during the summertime.

    If ye do go for this and against the odds make it through the first year you won't be hippies, you'll be leaner, tougher, wiser, the proud owners of new scars, and intimately familiar with the fact that mother nature is in fact a stone cold bitch. Of course it's not mad max out there, yes most of the time would probably be fairly enjoyable, but you're talking about what I'd call a 19th century level of self sufficiency.

    The long tail of skills and equipment needed even in the best of environments to reach that level these days, I wouldn't try it without twenty grand at least. There are a lot of small little gotchas you'd never think of until they sink your battleship, like say fishing. Great, you have a fish, have you ever topped, tailed and gutted a fish? Now what are you going to fry it in, where's the oil come from? Do you know how to roast a fish without foil? have you ever tried to eat fish for ten consecutive days in a row? How about rabbits, what are your thoughts on snaring and skinning a fluffy little bunny rabbit?

    And that's assuming you can find somewhere to park.

    Now the kind of ongoing budget you'd have would cover food for two people easily, heat a bit of a stretch, electricity if you could find somewhere to plug in, but you wouldn't be living in an arboreal idyll, you'd be on a campsite somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 yaurt


    Why isn't anyone giving advices ? :) im not saying it easy! if it was i would have asked for hints/advices on a forum! :) also...because this is for informative purpouses...we have 3 kids with us. and two dogs. we are not taking this as a joke. stop saying how hard it is, and give some advices towards how we could do it "better" ....because... :) thats what im asking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Well on that bomb shell.................


    I'm out.





    please ignore my previous post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 yaurt


    :) its more complicated. there are future incomes, and stuff like that. but! how would a one year camping trip, while trying to be sustainable look like ? starting with some camping gear and a caravan ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    yaurt wrote: »
    we have 3 kids with us.
    Are you completely off your head?! You're thinking about bringing three children to some sort of wilderness for a year on a starting budget of five hundred euros in a caravan that will probably fall over if you lean on it? What school will your children be attending while on this grand adventure? Is that what you meant by "even considering evading authorities around that"?

    You'd want to get yourself straight my friend. I wouldn't be worrying so much about sustainability as finding a job and looking after your family. I mean I appreciate things can be tough but this isn't a way out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭aaakev


    Sort yourself out OP seriously. You want real honest advice? Dont do this with your kids


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    This sounds like the movie Into the Wild, I recommend you watch that before you think of dragging kids on an "adventure".


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Or a complete wind up...

    Either way, you won't get the answers you're looking for here.

    [mod]Thread Locked.[/mod]


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