the germans and smoking

Roger_007 · 08-02-2013 01:10PM

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

I don´t think we´re that bad but smoking around non-smokers isn´t fair no matter what way you look at it. I don´t see why anyone would defend it. People can smoke all they like as far as I´m concerned but I´d rather not sit in a room with you. It´s horrible.

The point is that you DON'T have to sit in a room with anyone who is smoking. Nobody is forced to do that. If you are in a situation where smokers want to smoke in an enclosed space where there are other people around just make it clear that you won't tolerate it.

Boombastic · 08-02-2013 01:14PM

You should demand they change all their laws to suit you

ukonline · 08-02-2013 01:33PM

newmug wrote: »

...Veronica Moser pops into my head. I equate the two. Dont Google image her!!!!

Of course, I had to Google her, didn't I?

Medusa22 · 08-02-2013 02:04PM

My partner is German and I'm going to Germany this weekend. I've been there before and it really annoys me that people ignore the smoking ban.

I have Cystic Fibrosis so cigarette smoke causes me to go into fits of coughing and increases my risk of infection so it really irritates the crap out of me.

Even a whiff of a fag at a bus stop and I'm hacking away (and then I get the dirty looks for being a germ spreader - I'm not contagious, arsehole). So you can imagine what I'm like in a bar full of smoke.

Roger_007 · 08-02-2013 02:09PM

Medusa22 wrote: »

My partner is German and I'm going to Germany this weekend. I've been there before and it really annoys me that people ignore the smoking ban.

I have Cystic Fibrosis so cigarette smoke causes me to go into fits of coughing and increases my risk of infection so it really irritates the crap out of me.

Even a whiff of a fag at a bus stop and I'm hacking away (and then I get the dirty looks for being a germ spreader - I'm not contagious, arsehole). So you can imagine what I'm like in a bar full of smoke.

You shouldn't stand at bus stops either. Have you not noticed the clouds of black smoke those buses produce. Can't be doing any of us any good.

Logical_Bear · 08-02-2013 02:13PM

Hasmunch wrote: »

I think you may have solved Irelands finanical problems.... lets get all the kids hooked on smoking :pac:[/QUOTE
no need just legalise the hash they are smoking ans tax the fook outta that!

ringadingding · 08-02-2013 02:16PM

Living in austria, the smoke here is terrible.

Until a few years ago, the government ran the tobacco industry, however there were deals made about being very lenient about bans/ restrictions to the private company who bought it.

The smoking ban here is so on the fence, small bars are exempt, big bars must be half half with a door separating the two. The door doesn't need to be closed.

A full smoking ban will never work here, most bars are under residential apartments, no way will the Austrian home owners tolerate people stood outside the pubs smoking and talking.
They will go into meltdown mode.

I hate going to smokey bars, it triples my hangover the next day

SEPT 23 1989 · 08-02-2013 02:24PM

Can you still buy smokes from vending machines on the street?

08-02-2013 02:25PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The point is that you DON'T have to sit in a room with anyone who is smoking. Nobody is forced to do that. If you are in a situation where smokers want to smoke in an enclosed space where there are other people around just make it clear that you won't tolerate it.

Except a lot of smokers don't give a flying fck about anyone but themselves. Their addiction is more important to them than the health of others. I lived in a shared house in Belgium a few years ago, a student residence type thing. I was one of the only non-smokers and it was hell. The kitchen and living room were constantly full of smoke, it used to come into my room (because everyone on my floor smoked in their rooms and chatting in the hall) so I was breathing it in in bed. I asked and asked and begged them to stop but they just wouldn't. They expected me to just 'get over it' or move out. And this was a place where you officially weren't allowed to smoke at all.

Odysseus · 08-02-2013 02:30PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The point is that you DON'T have to sit in a room with anyone who is smoking. Nobody is forced to do that. If you are in a situation where smokers want to smoke in an enclosed space where there are
other people around just make it clear that you won't tolerate it.

Or go where people are not currently smoking.

Eve_Dublin · 08-02-2013 02:31PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The point is that you DON'T have to sit in a room with anyone who is smoking. Nobody is forced to do that. If you are in a situation where smokers want to smoke in an enclosed space where there are other people around just make it clear that you won't tolerate it.

I shouldn´t have to complain and I don´t want to complain. People shouldn´t be put into that position in an ideal world. It´s just manners. As an ex smoker, I knew I was being selfish and a bit of a chancer when I lit up in front of non-smokers hoping to god no one would complain. My habit dictated and I didn´t give others much consideration when I craved a smoke.

ringadingding · 08-02-2013 02:34PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can you still buy smokes from vending machines on the street?

Yup, though they require a bank card to prove yours over 15 though

Skyrimjob · 08-02-2013 02:37PM

I was going to start smoking, but then I took an arrow to my knee.

GalwayGuy2 · 08-02-2013 02:40PM

I don´t think we´re that bad but smoking around non-smokers isn´t fair no matter what way you look at it. I don´t see why anyone would defend it. People can smoke all they like as far as I´m concerned but I´d rather not sit in a room with you. It´s horrible.

Especially if your cooking or eating:S

@Skyrimjob

You created an account just to use that joke?

Roger_007 · 08-02-2013 02:43PM

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

I shouldn´t have to complain and I don´t want to complain. People shouldn´t be put into that position in an ideal world. It´s just manners. As an ex smoker, I knew I was being selfish and a bit of a chancer when I lit up in front of non-smokers hoping to god no one would complain. My habit dictated and I didn´t give others much consideration when I craved a smoke.

I'm an ex-smoker myself but when I gave them up about 15 years ago there was no smoking ban. I just didn't go to places where people smoked. Luckily I didn't drink much either. It is so easy now to go to places where there is no smoking. I can't understand what anyone has to complain about. I don't care how much anyone else smokes, it doesn't bother me. I think some people just want to gripe about something. When I hear someone complaining about smoking at bus-stops while surrounded by noxious traffic fumes, I have to wonder where are they coming from.

Eve_Dublin · 08-02-2013 02:57PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I'm an ex-smoker myself but when I gave them up about 15 years ago there was no smoking ban. I just didn't go to places where people smoked. Luckily I didn't drink much either. It is so easy now to go to places where there is no smoking. I can't understand what anyone has to complain about. I don't care how much anyone else smokes, it doesn't bother me. I think some people just want to gripe about something. When I hear someone complaining about smoking at bus-stops while surrounded by noxious traffic fumes, I have to wonder where are they coming from.

It´s not something that affects me at all and usually I´m too baloobas at parties to care but I do understand people having a problems with it. It doesn´t bother you and it doesn´t bother me but perhaps we´ve more tolerance to it as we smoked. Most non-smokers despise it and I can see where they´re coming from.

lufties · 08-02-2013 03:32PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Or go where people are not currently smoking.

Its quite hard to avoid in public..and if your out socialising and most of ur friends are smoking, its difficult to separate from the pack...the aussies have the way forward it seems. ..when I moved to germany I was amazed at the locals attitude to ciggies, If I didnt know any better you'd think they were good for you the way they carry on here.

harry Bailey esq · 08-02-2013 04:04PM

i don't think its just the Germans,their neighbours in Belgium and Holland are great smokers too,a lot of pubs have ashtrays on tables more or less inviting people to smoke, when otherwise people would have stepped outside for a drag.im a smoker myself but i enjoy the pub much more now that there's no smoking,much cleaner and there is always a new friend to be found in a smoking area

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-02-2013 04:06PM

Hasmunch wrote: »

I think you may have solved Irelands finanical problems.... lets get all the kids hooked on smoking :pac:

Ciggies are onl abotu 5 euro a pack in germany.

lufties wrote: »

I've been living in germany a while now and im astonished at how many people smoke here, its actually quite irritating walking around in public and people blowing smoke in your face at every turn, or perhaps even standing at a train stop. I was in a bar recently and the cigarette smoke was so thick it became hard to breathe..I just wondered if anyone else has experienced this. There is yet another smoking ban coming in here in may (since the last one didnt work), I read somewhere the german government takes in over 14 billion in taxes every year from tobacco companies. They way they advertise is disgraceful getting the youth hooked..For a nation of people who obssess about being prim and proper, the way the ate through fags just baffles me.

Out of interesdt, what part of Germny are we talkign abotu here?

keithclancy · 08-02-2013 04:09PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

i don't think its just the Germans,their neighbours in Belgium and Holland are great smokers too,a lot of pubs have ashtrays on tables more or less inviting people to smoke, when otherwise people would have stepped outside for a drag.im a smoker myself but i enjoy the pub much more now that there's no smoking,much cleaner and there is always a new friend to be found in a smoking area

In Holland smoking is allowed as long as the bar is under 75msq and the staff agree to it.

I usually avoid these bars as your clothes smell minging the next day.

And I'm a smoker !

lufties · 08-02-2013 04:15PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ciggies are onl abotu 5 euro a pack in germany.

Out of interesdt, what part of Germny are we talkign abotu here?

Cologne mainly

lufties · 08-02-2013 04:21PM

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

It´s not something that affects me at all and usually I´m too baloobas at parties to care but I do understand people having a problems with it. It doesn´t bother you and it doesn´t bother me but perhaps we´ve more tolerance to it as we smoked. Most non-smokers despise it and I can see where they´re coming from.

A thinly veiled 'I'm a session head ":D

Yeah your right some non-smokers do have a lot more tolerance than others.

harry Bailey esq · 08-02-2013 04:22PM

keithclancy wrote: »

In Holland smoking is allowed as long as the bar is under 75msq and the staff agree to it.

I usually avoid these bars as your clothes smell minging the next day.

And I'm a smoker !

have you ever noticed in some dutch bars they have a little box on the wall,and smokers are expected,although not obliged,to pop a euro or two in at the end of an evening and the money collected is used to pay any fines they might get for flouting the ban?makes a joke of the whole system really.i think its one thing that our little country got the right call on.zero tolerance is the way and our pubs are much nicer for it.if i were to light up in my local it would warrant a bollicking from staff,if i done it twice id most likely be barred

lufties · 08-02-2013 04:25PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

have you ever noticed in some dutch bars they have a little box on the wall,and smokers are expected,although not obliged,to pop a euro or two in at the end of an evening and the money collected is used to pay any fines they might get for flouting the ban?makes a joke of the whole system really.i think its one thing that our little country got the right call on.zero tolerance is the way and our pubs are much nicer for it.if i were to light up in my local it would warrant a bollicking from staff,if i done it twice id most likely be barred

Yes the good side of the ole Irish Conformity

Boskowski · 08-02-2013 04:27PM

Maybe we Germans are just more liberal, relaxed and generally cooler than ye 'must enforce my health an safety pc-ness craze on everyone' Irish?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-02-2013 04:29PM

lufties wrote: »

Cologne mainly

Interesting . Never had aproblem with it myself, but have only been to Cologne once.

lufties · 08-02-2013 04:34PM

Boskowski wrote: »

Maybe we Germans are just more liberal, relaxed and generally cooler than ye 'must enforce my health an safety pc-ness craze on everyone' Irish?

That's ridiculous, but you gave me a good laugh..smoking doesn't only cause cancer.. superficially it causes bad breath/teeth, ages the skin something incredible.
It also rots the brain and slowly sucks the life out of you, but I'm sure you know all that...

A smoking ban benefits everyone especially non-smokers who can go out in pubs etc and not be exposed to cigarette smoke.

lufties · 08-02-2013 04:35PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Interesting . Never had aproblem with it myself, but have only been to Cologne once.

Its quite bad in fairness.

Boskowski · 08-02-2013 04:38PM

lufties wrote: »

That's ridiculous, but you gave me a good laugh..smoking doesn't only cause cancer.. superficially it causes bad breath/teeth, ages the skin something incredible.
It also rots the brain and slowly sucks the life out of you. A smoking ban benefits everyone especially non-smokers who can go out in pubs etc and not be exposed to cigarette smoke.

But if people wanted to be around fellow bad breathers with ageing skin and rotting brains they should be allowed to do so.

And Ireland has gone a bit nuts in fairness with everything health and safety and ever so concerned and everything cotton wool taking responsibility from the individual left right and centre god forbid we might offend anyone.

lufties · 08-02-2013 04:44PM

Boskowski wrote: »

But if people wanted to be around fellow bad breathers with ageing skin and rotting brains they should be allowed to do so.

And Ireland has gone a bit nuts in fairness with everything health and safety and ever so concerned and everything cotton wool taking responsibility from the individual left right and centre god forbid we might offend anyone.

You do realise the smoking ban is only for inside pubs/restaurants and other public places, you are free to puff away outside as you like.

Germany in my experience has a lot more rules and regs..You can never be too careful with health and safety.

the germans and smoking

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