Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

The Black Oil · 23-01-2013 9:29pm

The censorship claims are funny when you think about the books and films that would probably be banned if some of his ultra Catholic buddies had their way. A new English curriculum - Fifty Shades of Dana.

PopePalpatine · 23-01-2013 9:33pm

I repeat what I said in the abortion thread: you must be mad to listen to her. :pac:

recedite · 23-01-2013 10:29pm

kylith wrote: »

The Iona Institute is NOT a religious institute, says Patricia Casey, patron.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/01/21/is-the-iona-catholic/

So... if they're getting charitable status based on their 'promotion of religion', but their patron has said, live on air, that they're NOT a religious institute, doesn't that mean that their charitable status is based on a fraudulent claim, and should be revoked?

Who can I write to about this?

According to document CHY1 here (from the Revenue website) they would have to submit their reason for being considered a charity, based on the following choices;

13 Charitable Activity -
(a) Please indicate under which of the charitable headings - Relief of
Poverty, Advancement of Education, Advancement of Religion, Other purpose of Benefit to the Community, the application is being made.

(b) Give a brief summary of the activities which are or will be carried on by the body to further the main object as set out in its governing instrument.

If they are now denying that their main purpose is "the advancement of religion" then presumably they now have to show that they have some "Other Purpose of Benefit to the Community."
I'd love to know what they wrote on that application form, as regards their purposes and activities, but I'd be pretty sure if you wrote to Revenue now and asked them, the reply would be "we don't disclose info on individual cases."
Two people have already done this and posted those kind of replies, as received back from Revenue, earlier in this thread.

krudler · 23-01-2013 10:37pm

Michael Nugent wrote: »

The message on the channel's page says: "This account has been terminated due to repeated or severe violations of our Terms of Service."

It wasn't terminated, it was closed to save the Iona Institute, the termination was an unfortunate side effect of the procedure.

Peregrinus · 24-01-2013 2:49am

recedite wrote: »

According to document CHY1 here (from the Revenue website) they would have to submit their reason for being considered a charity, based on the following choices;If they are now denying that their main purpose is "the advancement of religion" then presumably they now have to show that they have some "Other Purpose of Benefit to the Community."
I'd love to know what they wrote on that application form, as regards their purposes and activities, but I'd be pretty sure if you wrote to Revenue now and asked them, the reply would be "we don't disclose info on individual cases."
Two people have already done this and posted those kind of replies, as received back from Revenue, earlier in this thread.

Actually, although I disagree with almost everything they say (that I've bothered to read) I'm pretty comfortable with them having charitable status. As far as I'm concerned, promoting civic engagement with public policy issues is a Good Thing for a republic; it's a purpose beneficial to the community.

recedite · 24-01-2013 9:06pm

Fair point, I suppose. But they should be more honest about their intentions and where they are coming from.

Sarky · 24-01-2013 9:14pm

But if they did that they'd get less money. It's a tricky moral dilemma, to be sure :pac:

The Black Oil · 25-01-2013 12:06am

Can you put in FoI requests about orgs like this, or what's the story there?

Peregrinus · 25-01-2013 2:47am

The Black Oil wrote: »

Can you put in FoI requests about orgs like this, or what's the story there?

You can put in an FOI request, but you'll have no joy. Information you give to the Revenue Commissioners will not be disclosed under the FoI legislation because you give it in confidence, and on the understanding that it will be treated as confidential, and s. 26 of the FoI Act says that records containing information obtained under those circumstances are not to be disclosed.

Remember, the purpose of the FoI legislation is to enable the citizen to learn about the doing of government, not the doings of his fellow-citizens.

mambo · 29-01-2013 10:00pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

I don't see them generating large profits, to be honest.

According to duedil.com (which it's free to sign up for), Lolek Ltd (trading as Iona Institute) had profits:

2011 €46,502
2010 €2,829
2009 €41,686

and net assets of €273,053 at end of 2011.

oceanclub · 30-01-2013 11:31am

mambo wrote: »

According to duedil.com (which it's free to sign up for), Lolek Ltd (trading as Iona Institute) had profits:

2011 €46,502
2010 €2,829
2009 €41,686

Very useful site that. I'm surprised at how many directors Iona has; also unless I'm reading the financials incorrectly, it has cash of around 277K in the bank.

P.

mambo · 30-01-2013 12:16pm

One director is...

"Maeve Kelleher is married with six children. She is a stay-at-home mother."
http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=99

Maeve is or was a director of 28 companies according to duedil.com - so she's more than a stay-at-home mother.

lazygal · 30-01-2013 12:33pm

mambo wrote: »

One director is...

"Maeve Kelleher is married with six children. She is a stay-at-home mother."
http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=99

Maeve is or was a director of 28 companies according to duedil.com - so she's more than a stay-at-home mother.

Does she know Sean Quinn's wife? She's able to combine several children, being a stay at home mother, and directing loads of companies!

Maeve Kelleher is a WORKING mother of six children, even if she directs all those companies from home. Working mothers, I bet David has something to say about that! I must tweet him for a comment.

oceanclub · 30-01-2013 12:53pm

lazygal wrote: »

Maeve Kelleher is a WORKING mother of six children, even if she directs all those companies from home. Working mothers, I bet David has something to say about that! I must tweet him for a comment.

He hasn't blocked you yet?

P.

Dades · 30-01-2013 1:00pm

Speaking of Tweets - the Pope's been at it again.

I love trolling the Pope. Amazed they even show the replies he gets.

pauldla · 30-01-2013 1:27pm

Dades wrote: »

Speaking of Tweets - the Pope's been at it again.

I love trolling the Pope. Amazed they even show the replies he gets.

Really? What sort of replies does he get?

krudler · 30-01-2013 1:28pm

Dades wrote: »

Speaking of Tweets - the Pope's been at it again.

I love trolling the Pope. Amazed they even show the replies he gets.

Note to self, troll Pope

pauldla · 30-01-2013 1:31pm

krudler wrote: »

Note to self, troll Pope

Isn't technology fun. What an age we live in!

PopePalpatine · 30-01-2013 1:39pm

mambo wrote: »

One director is...

"Maeve Kelleher is married with six children. She is a stay-at-home mother."
http://www.ionainstitute.ie/index.php?id=99

Maeve is or was a director of 28 companies according to duedil.com - so she's more than a stay-at-home mother.

I wonder if they share any directors with the Life Institute, the Pro-Life Campaign or Jugendschutz.

Sarky · 05-02-2013 6:07pm

Wee Davey Quinn has already pretty much said that if you ignore everything except Chapter 8 in today's Magdalene Laundries report, it's not too bad. What a wonderful human being.

Turtwig · 05-02-2013 6:14pm

Sarky wrote: »

Wee Davey Quinn has already pretty much said that if you ignore everything except Chapter 8 in today's Magdalene Laundries report, it's not too bad. What a wonderful human being.

Definitely need a source for that.

Sarky · 05-02-2013 6:32pm

He blocked me for mentioning his anti-vaccination buddies a while ago, but I can still read his claptrap :pac: : https://twitter.com/DavQuinn/status/298827526124486656

He did skip straight ahead to ch. 8 claiming it's the most important part. Now while statistics are useful, I'm not sure why he'd advocate ignoring things like testimony of survivors, reports of working conditions, abuse, punishments, or how the report honestly couldn't decide whether the Legion of Mary was a state organisation or not. Those little details are fairly important too, I'd imagine.

ressem · 05-02-2013 8:07pm

Based on those twitter comments earlier, he regards the stuff on page 167 "Route of Entry (to the Laundries) by decade" as highly important.

I'd suggest that it's among the less important sections unless the aim is to point fault at the women themselves, family and state for their placement there.

eviltwin · 05-02-2013 8:10pm

David Quinn trying to defend the indefensible...well you could never accuse him of being unpredictable could you

Bobby42 · 05-02-2013 8:19pm

Just had a look through his tweets. Revolting stuff. Seems to take great offense to being called a bigot/homophobic for his views, but at the same time thinks denying gay people equal rights is whats best for society

Such a double standard. Basically devotes his life to denying gay people equality yet he's the victim when people call him out on this.

lazygal · 05-02-2013 8:22pm

I often wonder what people like him do if their children are gay or otherwise don't conform to his ideal wold view.

Delirium · 05-02-2013 8:54pm

Bobby42 wrote: »

Just had a look through his tweets. Revolting stuff. Seems to take great offense to being called a bigot/homophobic for his views, but at the same time thinks denying gay people equal rights is whats best for society

Such a double standard. Basically devotes his life to denying gay people equality yet he's the victim when people call him out on this.

Yet he isn't afraid to suggest his opponents ("the Leftists") are engaged in bigotry when the mood takes

PopePalpatine · 05-02-2013 9:46pm

So, I wonder how the Friday sermon will proceed? I suppose it would attempt to minimise the sympathy for the prisoners of the Magdalene gulags.

Newaglish · 05-02-2013 9:51pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wonder if they share any directors with the Life Institute, the Pro-Life Campaign or Jugendschutz.

Sounds like something to keep me occupied on my lunch break tomorrow!

Bobby42 · 05-02-2013 11:08pm

His defence is now - well the Catholic Church didn't invent magdalene laundries so the Catholic Church isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.

and that we don't know how many single mothers were sent to the laundries so people suggesting that it was catholic ideology that led to women and girls being sent to the laundries ate anti catholic bigots.

Fully of whataboutery! Criticise the catholic church over the abuse and magdalene laundries? Oh, well what about all the children that died in state care?

Insane stuff.

Stark · 05-02-2013 11:13pm

Well to be fair, the Catholic Church didn't invent child rape.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2013 3:21pm

Stark wrote: »

Well to be fair, the Catholic Church didn't invent child rape.

Nor did they write that book that blames women for the existence of sin...:pac:

Banbh · 07-02-2013 5:27pm

Or cover-up the crimes of paedophiles or force child-victims to sign vows of silence or move known paedophiles to safe houses and allow them to continue their crimes...

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2013 5:32pm

Banbh wrote: »

Or cover-up the crimes of paedophiles or force child-victims to sign vows of silence or move known paedophiles to safe houses and allow them to continue their crimes...

and they absolutely did not use slave labour.

Banbh · 07-02-2013 5:47pm

When I was in the convent school (5-8 years old approx), there was a woman who went around tending the fires in the classrooms (this is more than 50 years ago and yes I am that old). She also cleaned the toilets, mopped up vomit and all the tasks of minding kids that were beneath the dignity of the nuns.

She was stooped and dirty and very small. She would shuffle in and put coal on the fire and remove the ashes. Once she dropped the bucket and the nun raised her cane to strike her. She didn't strike, maybe because we kids were looking, but the woman whimpered and backed out in terror like a dog. Her name was Peggy and we were told never to speak to her. She lived in a sort-of shed attached to the school. She was the only slave I ever knew.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2013 5:51pm

Banbh wrote: »

When I was in the convent school (5-8 years old approx), there was a woman who went around tending the fires in the classrooms (this is more than 50 years ago and yes I am that old). She also cleaned the toilets, mopped up vomit and all the tasks of minding kids that were beneath the dignity of the nuns.

She was stooped and dirty and very small. She would shuffle in and put coal on the fire and remove the ashes. Once she dropped the bucket and the nun raised her cane to strike her. She didn't strike, maybe because we kids were looking, but the woman whimpered and backed out in terror like a dog. Her name was Peggy and we were told never to speak to her. She lived in a sort-of shed attached to the school. She was the only slave I ever knew.

yet she lived in a country whose Constitution states

" 1° The State guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate the personal rights of the citizen.

Not worth the paper it's written on.

Nodin · 07-02-2013 7:30pm

T'would seem he's now turning into Denis O'Brien.
http://trinitynews.ie/university-times-threatened-with-legal-action-over-iona-institute-articles/

Bobby42 · 07-02-2013 8:27pm

Campaign to ensure gay people are denied equal rights = "practicing religion".

Criticise this campaign = You're a bigot, how dare you oppress me!

:rolleyes:

Benny_Cake · 07-02-2013 10:03pm

It really annoys me that when the likes of RTE or Newstalk are looking for someone to give a Christian slant on something they go to this shower.

They aren't a Christian organisation as far as I'm concerned, they are a group of right-wing culture warriors with a persecution complex.

The Black Oil · 07-02-2013 10:26pm

Definitely. They, and others cut from the same cloth, are the broadcast media's default go to guys for the 'well, what do Catholics think about this, then?'

We don't really hear the voice of ordinary Christians because of this, or at least not as often. I think we could all have a more interesting and perhaps civilised conversation if it wasn't for apologists who do little more than run interference.

Btw, this is not to say I think much of when the same media put on Bacik as a singular spokesperson for women or whatever it is on the other side of the argument.

Less think thanks, more ordinary folk, please.

Turtwig · 07-02-2013 10:27pm

Benny_Cake wrote: »

It really annoys me that when the likes of RTE or Newstalk are looking for someone to give a Christian slant on something they go to this shower.

They aren't a Christian organisation as far as I'm concerned, they are a group of right-wing culture warriors with a persecution complex.

The reason RTE go to them is so they won't get negative publicity. Groups like these tend to be vocal and fight dirty (suing a university student paper ffs!). They also conveniently always have a spokesperson available.

lazygal · 07-02-2013 10:38pm

Its the same with Ronan Mullen being trotted out for the abortion comments. A man who, if he's following Catholic doctrine, isn't within an asses roar of ever needing to make a decision on abortion, yet because he sounds reasonable enough, even when saying the most outrageous things, and interviews well.

Silvio.Dante · 07-02-2013 10:56pm

Benny_Cake wrote: »

It really annoys me that when the likes of RTE or Newstalk are looking for someone to give a Christian slant on something they go to this shower.

They aren't a Christian organisation as far as I'm concerned, they are a group of right-wing culture warriors with a persecution complex.

So, who do you want chosen as the token Christian..?

lazygal · 07-02-2013 10:57pm

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

So, who do you want chosen as the token Christian..?

You'll do Silvio. I'd love to see you express your grammar and smilies in a verbal context.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2013 11:01pm

lazygal wrote: »

You'll do Silvio. I'd love to see you express your grammar and smilies in a verbal context.

:eek:

Silvio.Dante · 07-02-2013 11:05pm

lazygal wrote: »

You'll do Silvio. I'd love to see you express your grammar and smilies in a verbal context.

Aww shucks...:o

Benny_Cake · 08-02-2013 12:19am

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

So, who do you want chosen as the token Christian..?

Tokenism is the problem surely?RTE get to tick a box saying that Christians were represented in that debate, thanks to David Quinn. Plenty of thoughtful people in the various denominations could discuss the issues without the hatchet job on statistics that Iona usually provide.

Sarky · 08-02-2013 2:27am

So make it known that despicable arseholes like Quinn and Mullen don't represent you.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-02-2013 2:31am

Silvio, I think I speak for many here when I say that I eagerly await your appearance on Prime Time. Make it so...

Benny_Cake · 08-02-2013 5:54am

Sarky wrote: »

So make it known that despicable arseholes like Quinn and Mullen don't represent you.

Actually, I think that Ronan Mullen is sincere. That doesn't make him right mind you, I particularly disagree with his stance on gay marriage, but I think his public position represents his sincerely held beliefs. In David Quinn's case, I'm not altogether sure that he didn't see a gap in the market for an American style, Christian-right pundit and simply moved into that space. There's something a bit trollish about his style of writing.

If it's felt by you and others that Christians need to distance themselves from him and the Iona Institute, they'd probably take that as a compliment. It hardly needs to be pointed out that Christians hold a diverse range of opinions on issues.

Lolek Ltd, Trading as 'The Iona Institute'

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