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Madeleine Lookalike Sends DNA Sample To Police

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  • #62
    miss no stars
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    HondaSami wrote: »
    I have heard so many people try justify leaving three babies in a room by themselves while the parents are out drinking and it will never be acceptable for me, the parents were not even in the same building and lets not forget these are two doctors and one of the twins had been sick that day, this did not stop the parents leaving them alone.

    Yes it could have happened if the parents were there but the chances are it would not have happened and if it did they would not feel as guilty as they must do now.

    Not one of the group involved were responsible imo, they all neglected their children for their own selfish needs.

    Well hold on there sparky, I never said I was justifying it or felt it was acceptable. I was saying that they're human beings and they probably just felt safe doing so because they were on holidays and nothing bad can happen on holidays. If you watch tourists you'll notice similar behaviour over and over and over again. That's why pick pockets prey on them. People lose all sense of reason when on holidays because it's not the same as home, they feel enclosed in a nice resort where the sun shines and people make friends and are made to feel welcome and safe. They made an error in judgement. A big one. But it's not inexplicable and I sincerely doubt they're the first to have done something like that on holidays but have paid far more dearly for it than those before them.


  • #63
    Boombastic
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    miss no stars wrote: »
    To be fair you're deliberately missing my point. Having someone there is a deterrant, not prevention.

    If they someone there, they would have taken all reasonable precautions.

    An adult would have raise the alarm quicker 'if' someone broke in and took her (not that they had much breaking in to do).


  • #64
    jugger
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    miss no stars wrote: »
    I've seen it a lot where I grew up (Howth), lots of day-trippers visit and go into "tourist-mode", as well as actual tourists, walking out in front of cars, head in the cloud, not aware of the wallet sticking out of their back pocket.

    bit of a difference between not putting your wallet away and leaveing your kids alone for the night although i do see how you could relax into tourist mode just not to that extent


    miss no stars wrote: »
    Partly responsible insofar as they made it slightly, just slightly, easier for her to be taken. They didn't (to the best of anyone's knowledge) approach people and arrange for her to be taken. That would be totally responsible. Can I ask, if you have a babysitter or are at home with your own kids, are you in the same room as them 100% of the time, even when they're sleeping? There's no guarantee that if they or a babysitter had been there that she wouldn't have been taken. It just would have been harder to take her, maybe too hard, but there's no guarantee of that.

    fair enough totally responable might be a strech how ever to say a baby sitter would have just made it slightly harder i dissagree and your right if they were in bed i would not be in there room how ever i would be in the house and i would hear a window been forced so it would be very very hard to get by me and if they did the alarm would be rasied immediately not when i deside to wander back from the tapas

    also at least i would have been at home looking after them or had some one responable looking after them there is a difference between due care and leaveing them alone


  • #65
    HondaSami
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    miss no stars wrote: »
    Well hold on there sparky, I never said I was justifying it or felt it was acceptable. I was saying that they're human beings and they probably just felt safe doing so because they were on holidays and nothing bad can happen on holidays. If you watch tourists you'll notice similar behaviour over and over and over again. That's why pick pockets prey on them. People lose all sense of reason when on holidays because it's not the same as home, they feel enclosed in a nice resort where the sun shines and people make friends and are made to feel welcome and safe. They made an error in judgement. A big one. But it's not inexplicable and I sincerely doubt they're the first to have done something like that on holidays but have paid far more dearly for it than those before them.

    You for real? you comparing losing a child to losing a few euro ?

    If I were going to leave my kids alone i think i might do it at home where people know me rather than in a foreign country, not that i would ever do that.

    They probably did it at home as well, selfish people like that are just selfish.


  • #66
    brummytom
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    There's an incredible amount of holes in the McCann's story. But hopefully whoever is responsible for her disappearance will eventually face justice.

    Anyone trying to justify leaving three very young children alone amazes me.


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  • #67
    miss no stars
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    gonna do a group reply.

    The McCanns were wrong to leave their kids alone.

    If someone was there this would probably not have happened (but everyone assumes it definitely wouldn't have, which is an invalid assumption -what if they'd been drinking wine in their bedroom having a laugh and didn't hear what was happening? Not as likely to happen, but not impossible to happen).

    I never compared losing a child to losing a few euro, I compared tourists everywhere being targets as a result of being irresponsible because they're relaxed and on holidays and usually have a sense of invincibility.

    I think people here are being very high and mighty and "Oh I can't see how ANYONE could EVER do that EVER EVER EVER", bordering on being glad their daughter was taken and that they have to live with that for the rest of their lives to teach them a lesson for leaving the kids alone. They made a mistake, they're paying for it.


  • #68
    Skinnykenyan
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    Time to call Liam Neeson I think


  • #69
    HondaSami
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    miss no stars wrote: »
    gonna do a group reply.

    The McCanns were wrong to leave their kids alone.

    If someone was there this would probably not have happened (but everyone assumes it definitely wouldn't have, which is an invalid assumption -what if they'd been drinking wine in their bedroom having a laugh and didn't hear what was happening? Not as likely to happen, but not impossible to happen).

    I never compared losing a child to losing a few euro, I compared tourists everywhere being targets as a result of being irresponsible because they're relaxed and on holidays and usually have a sense of invincibility.

    I think people here are being very high and mighty and "Oh I can't see how ANYONE could EVER do that EVER EVER EVER", bordering on being glad their daughter was taken and that they have to live with that for the rest of their lives to teach them a lesson for leaving the kids alone. They made a mistake, they're paying for it.

    Maybe it's just me but when im on holiday im more aware of being in a foreign country and more cautious then when im at home in Ireland.

    They are paying a high price but honestly i could never feel sympathy for them because they went out enjoying themselves while leaving the children alone in a room, only selfish uncaring people could do this imo.


  • #70
    jugger
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    miss no stars wrote: »

    The McCanns were wrong to leave their kids alone. .

    we agree
    miss no stars wrote: »
    If someone was there this would probably not have happened.

    we agree
    miss no stars wrote: »
    but everyone assumes it definitely wouldn't have, which is an invalid assumption .

    we disagree i dont assume it wouldnt its that they didnt do any thing to protect the most vulnerable of there family
    miss no stars wrote: »
    -what if they'd been drinking wine in their bedroom having a laugh and didn't hear what was happening? Not as likely to happen, but not impossible to happen)..

    your right it could happen not likely though
    miss no stars wrote: »
    -I never compared losing a child to losing a few euro, I compared tourists everywhere being targets as a result of being irresponsible because they're relaxed and on holidays and usually have a sense of invincibility.

    i see your point but i disagree when it come to childern i watch them closer when were in a strange place
    miss no stars wrote: »
    -I think people here are being very high and mighty and "Oh I can't see how ANYONE could EVER do that EVER EVER EVER", bordering on being glad their daughter was taken and that they have to live with that for the rest of their lives to teach them a lesson for leaving the kids alone. They made a mistake, they're paying for it.

    i am not high and might about it i am just totally bewildered by there actions even now


  • #71
    Faolchu
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    LivelineDipso wrote: »
    They managed to win the respect of the entire world with their brutal honesty, incredible devotion to their daughter

    Joe.
    That's why they left her alone


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  • #72
    Capt'n Midnight
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    sadie06 wrote: »
    Who in their right mind thinks it's ok to be a few hundred metres away from their sleeping children?
    go to any small town or village on the continent and everyone is within a few hundred meters


  • #73
    dubstarr
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    Except if you look where they were and where they left the kids they are further away than they said.Also they didnt check teh kids the way they said either.
    Madeline said they woke the night before and there was no on there,why go out the next night.
    Im not saying they had anything to do with it as if that was the case there is always a loose cannon,always someone who is the weak link.

    I just think if something happened i hope it happened quick and she didnt suffer to much.
    Its such a sad case that could have been somehow prevented.


  • #74
    Senna
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    I cant believe people will still try and justify their actions, holiday mode, not thinking, etc is all just rubbish. You don't leave children on their own in a different country, it was a pure selfish action, thinking only of their own enjoyment. They deserve all the anguish and pain that comes with losing a child.


    I still believe "self medication" was the reason behind her "disappearance".


  • #75
    dark crystal
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    Senna wrote: »
    They deserve all the anguish and pain that comes with losing a child.

    Jesus, that's a nasty thing to say.


  • #76
    Senna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Jesus, that's a nasty thing to say.

    If I left my children alone in a foreign country, went out drinking and one of them is taken, I'd expect and deserve much worse, and that's if I could even live with myself.


  • #77
    Prodigious
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    They left their child unsupervised in a strange country while they had dinner and drinks

    It doesn't make it right that a child was kidnapped.


  • #78
    Boombastic
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    Methememb wrote: »
    It doesn't make it right that a child was kidnapped.

    No it doesn't but they left her in a vulnerable position. I have no sympathy for them and their other children should be removed from their care. In the post you quote from me above, it does not state that I think it was right a child was kidnapped. It is a statement of events.


  • #79
    Prodigious
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    Wow. I'm glad such heartless attitudes are not used by authorities dealing with highly sensitive issues such as this.


  • #80
    Madam_X
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    I agree it's very difficult to understand why they did not hire a babysitter, but I don't think they "deserve" the resultant punishment (that's particularly cruel on the poor child) and they certainly don't deserve to have the other children taken off them.
    Senna wrote: »
    I still believe "self medication" was the reason behind her "disappearance".
    Self medication?


  • #81
    i57dwun4yb1pt8
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    Senna wrote: »
    I cant believe people will still try and justify their actions, holiday mode, not thinking, etc is all just rubbish. You don't leave children on their own in a different country, it was a pure selfish action, thinking only of their own enjoyment. They deserve all the anguish and pain that comes with losing a child.


    I still believe "self medication" was the reason behind her "disappearance".



    UTTER CODSWALLOP

    this new girl could be seems to have the same neck wrinkles as well .
    but anyone who thinks the parents did it needs help.


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  • #82
    dark crystal
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    No it doesn't but they left her in a vulnerable position. I have no sympathy for them and their other children should be removed from their care. In the post you quote from me above, it does not state that I think it was right a child was kidnapped. It is a statement of events.

    Yes, let's remove their remaining children and put them in the care system for a mistake their parents made 6 years ago on holiday. Sure why not heap more pain, anguish and misery on that family? It's not like they've suffered enough.


  • #83
    Prodigious
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    I agree it's very difficult to understand why they did not hire a babysitter, but I don't think they "deserve" the resultant punishment (that's particularly cruel on the poor child) and they certainly don't deserve to have the other children taken off them.

    Self medication?

    One of the theories is that they both have sleeping pills to the children before they went out, not realizing the other person had already. Madeline is supposed to have died from an overdose and the kidnapping was a cover. Plausible, and in my opinion preferable to the alternative.


  • #84
    Madam_X
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    Oh yeh I remember hearing about that theory. What factors gave people that idea?


  • #85
    HondaSami
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    Oh yeh I remember hearing about that theory. What factors gave people that idea?

    There was something about tablets that were found in the apt, they were her father's tablets for parkinson's, why kate brought these on holiday with her i dunno.


  • #86
    dark crystal
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    Madam_X wrote: »

    Self medication?

    It's one of the more popular conspiracy theories bandied around - apparantly some people believe the McCanns overdosed Madeleine on Calpol or anti-histamine medicine, discovered her, hid her body, went back to have dinner with their friends whilst acting perfectly normally, then pretended to raise the alarm, thus beginning the charade of pretending she'd been abducted. Then somehow, away from the glare of the police and the media, they then disposed of her body in an unfamiliar foreign country, somewhere so secret it's never been discovered.

    If it was a film, you'd laugh at the ridiculousness of it. Just a shame it's a real life tragedy and not a film plot...


  • #87
    Ulysses Gaze
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    The theory the former lead Portuguese investigator came up with is the most plausible.

    Parents were away, they either gave the kids sleeping tablets or not. Madeleine wakes up, can't find parents, tries to look out window by climbing on sofa, loses her balance, falls, cracks her skull and dies there by the window (hence cadaver dogs sensing a dead body there). Parents panic and hide the body, Make up the story of an abduction with no evidence of a break in and then the lies grow larger and larger.

    The Tapas crowd, particularly Jane Tanner, have never been plausible witnesses.


  • #88
    Madam_X
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    It's one of the more popular conspiracy theories bandied around - apparantly some people believe the McCanns overdosed Madeleine on Calpol or anti-histamine medicine, discovered her, hid her body, went back to have dinner with their friends whilst acting perfectly normally, then pretended to raise the alarm, thus beginning the charade of pretending she'd been abducted. Then somehow, away from the glare of the police and the media, they then disposed of her body in an unfamiliar foreign country, somewhere so secret it's never been discovered.

    If it was a film, you'd laugh at the ridiculousness of it. Just a shame it's a real life tragedy and not a film plot...
    Ah... the "I crave drama so I'll pretend this is a soap opera" brigade, gotcha. :pac:


  • #89
    mickdw
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    ......Then somehow, away from the glare of the police and the media, they then disposed of her body in an unfamiliar foreign country, somewhere so secret it's never been discovered....

    Didnt the investigators also tell us they had the body in the boot of the hire car at some stage in the days that followed the disappearance. :confused:


  • #90
    dark crystal
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    Ah... the "I crave drama so I'll pretend this is a soap opera" brigade, gotcha. :pac:

    Yup, pretty much. Abduction is just too unbelievable, it has to be a sinister plot by the scheming parents who suddenly became cold, heartless, criminal masterminds in the space of half an hour.

    There was a huge thread on this a year or two back and it just became a huge clusterfu*k of people pointing fingers, making up theories etc.

    People will believe what they want to believe. Only poor Madeleine and whoever took/killed her knows the real truth but it doesn't stop people adding 2 + 2 and coming up with 5. Guilty until proven innocent in this case...


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  • #91
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    The parents are responsible for making a grave and irreversible error of judgement that will haunt them forever. I'm sure the decision to leave them made sense at the time, although I struggle to see how.


    The only person responsible for the abduction of Madeleine is the abductor. No one else.

    There can be no happy ending to this story, someone is always going to suffer more. I just hope that someone isn't the innocent little child at the centre of it all.


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