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Madeleine Lookalike Sends DNA Sample To Police

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  • #32
    jugger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭jugger


    Madam wrote: »
    The restaurant was less than a few hundred metres from where Maddie and her siblings were sleeping!

    again what could go wrong
    Madam wrote: »
    Not saying the rights and wrongs in that

    i find nothing "right" about there actions
    Madam wrote: »
    but this kind of tooing and froing of blame has been done to death imo.

    there is no tooing and froing there just not been held responsible for there actions for some reason
    Madam wrote: »
    Gone to more interesting thread;)

    dont forget to check back every twenty mins to check were still here


  • #33
    sadie06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    Madam wrote: »
    The restaurant was less than a few hundred metres from where Maddie and her siblings were sleeping! Not saying the rights and wrongs in that but this kind of tooing and froing of blame has been done to death imo.

    Gone to more interesting thread;)

    Who in their right mind thinks it's ok to be a few hundred metres away from their sleeping children? As doctors, their awareness of the variety of ways children can so easily injure themselves should have added to the natural common sense any parent has.

    The fact that they were in a strange country and the property was not secured properly makes it completely unfathomable.

    The Jamie Bolger case has come to the fore once again (20th anniversary of his death) and I have such sympathy for his mother. One second he was there, the next he was gone. Her guard was down as she was in her own area doing every day things, and yet she expressed such regret.

    When have the McCanns shown any real remorse? Yes, they are sorry it happened, but they have never said that the children should not have been left alone!


  • #34
    Abi
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Even if its not her they should send her anyway to hopefully shut those McCanns up!
    What a horrible thing to say.


  • #35
    somefeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    Whens the last time we heard about April Jones?


  • #36
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    somefeen wrote: »
    Whens the last time we heard about April Jones?
    Last month! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/14/april-jones-mark-bridger-court


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  • #37
    HondaSami
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭HondaSami


    LivelineDipso wrote: »
    They were nearly framed by the Sardine Old Bill who are protecting the paedo who took her. They managed to win the respect of the entire world with their brutal honesty, incredible devotion to their daughter and an amzing ability to reach the hearts and minds of all.

    Joe.

    They did not win my respect, as far as Im concerned they neglected their children, they went out drinking leaving three babies in a room on their own.
    The only person I have ever felt sorry for is Madeline, she is the only victim in this sorry episode of child neglect.


  • #38
    guttenberg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭guttenberg


    Why will it take so long for the results to be known? If Jeremy Kyle can get DNA tests done pretty quickly, why the delay?


  • #39
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    Elsewhere today 200 kids were hacked to death in Sudan & Syria but the media like this story better so we'll focus on it instead.


  • #40
    seven_eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭seven_eleven


    Worse media coverage than jade goody. (sorry for the reminder) Disgusting in my opinion.


  • #41
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Abi wrote: »
    What a horrible thing to say.

    No not really, I was more a joke and not even distasteful.


    Edit- I'll just delete it hopefully we can all move on now.


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  • #42
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    TheIrishGrover wrote: »

    She was throwing his eyes up to point out his correction of the previous post was a joke. Interesting to see you reading class-based assumptions in others.
    Edit: Ah, seems I was wrong about her post....... but how does her post now fit into your idea of the media's agenda when she herself believes that leaving your child for a resturaunt is better than for a pub?
    http://www.missingkids.co.uk/
    A child is reported missing in the UK every three minutes. I was working in the US at the time and when I came back all I saw was madeline posters all over Dublin Airport. Where were the posters for all the missing kids from Ireland? Where were the collections? Where was the public outcry? Where was the TV coverage? Where?
    ... And in before "Won't someone think of the children"
    The McCanns invested in a large-scale campaign, which isn't an option for everyone. Can't blame them for doing everything in their power to highlight her disappearance. Any stricken parent would. I agree they ****ed up by leaving her in the apartment, even if it was really close by, but that shouldn't cloud people's judgement of the fact a child went missing. It's only punishing the child.


  • #43
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Elsewhere today 200 kids were hacked to death in Sudan & Syria but the media like this story better so we'll focus on it instead.
    It's not any worse, but the so many people could identify with the McCanns and I think that's what made it so huge at the time.
    Sudan and Syria are so obscure to the average Joe on the street, it's hard to identify and empathise in a meaningful way.


  • #44
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    TheIrishGrover wrote: »


    A child is reported missing in the UK every three minutes. I was working in the US at the time and when I came back all I saw was madeline posters all over Dublin Airport. Where were the posters for all the missing kids from Ireland? Where were the collections? Where was the public outcry? Where was the TV coverage? Where?

    ... And in before "Won't someone think of the children"


    lots of children reported missing turn up safe and sound because they wandered off, went to a friends house without telling anyone, ran away, there was confusion over supervision arrangements or they got caught up in a custody tug of war...

    Glad you're "thinking of the children" who aren't so lucky, and yes, there was a media saturation when the McCann girl went missing but that's still an unsuccessful campaign so I don't see how similar outcry will help the other missing children. If anything it would mean too many little faces to remember. :(


  • #45
    TheIrishGrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    starlings wrote: »
    .......If anything it would mean too many little faces to remember. :(

    How can you remember a face you've never seen?


  • #46
    AEDIC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭AEDIC


    TheIrishGrover wrote: »
    How can you remember a face you've never seen?

    Use the force Lu..erm Grover...use the force.


  • #47
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    TheIrishGrover wrote: »
    How can you remember a face you've never seen?

    You asked where all the posters were for all the other missing children. I imagined a scenario where they all had the same media attention as Madeleine McCann.

    Unfair as it may seem, people are more sympathetic to the cause of one person, than to a class of people in the same boat. This is why charity campaigns use individual case studies, faces etc.

    The McCann campaign used this as a means to get their daughter back.


  • #48
    jugger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭jugger


    Madam_X wrote: »
    The McCanns invested in a large-scale campaign.

    yes they did imo it was partly to find maddy but mainly jerry and kate its not our fault every one leaves ther kids alone pr campain
    Madam_X wrote: »
    Can't blame them for doing everything in their power to highlight her disappearance. ..

    on this i agree 100%
    Madam_X wrote: »
    Any stricken parent would.

    he could have fooled me


    Madam_X wrote: »
    I agree they ****ed up by leaving her in the apartment, even if it was really close by, but that shouldn't cloud people's judgement of the fact a child went missing. It's only punishing the child.

    your right peoples judgement should not be clouded a child was taken and everyone who is responable should be punished her parents are partly responable some would say totally responable


  • #49
    starlings
    Closed Accounts Posts: 683 ✭✭✭starlings


    jugger wrote: »
    your right peoples judgement should not be clouded a child was taken and everyone who is responable should be punished her parents are partly responable some would say totally responable

    I think having to live without their daughter, knowing it was due to their poor judgement, is the severest punishment going.


  • #50
    Skinnykenyan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Skinnykenyan


    I think they weren't pursued over child neglect as the police deemed it wasn't in the public's interest to prosecute them. If a member of the public reported them for neglect though wouldn't they have to pursue them? I f***ing hate the McCanns. These media whores play the victim's but there's only one real victim in this.


  • #51
    sadie06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    somefeen wrote: »
    Whens the last time we heard about April Jones?

    Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think the disappearance of the April Jones case from the headlines has anything to do with what a child looks like etc. There simply isn't the same air of mystery involved, which allows the press to have an endless field day.

    Although they have not found her body, they have arrested the culprit and there is little to speculate on other than if and when he will tell the authorities where the poor child's remains are.


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  • #52
    LivelineDipso
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭LivelineDipso


    What in the name of Christ Almighty parent of a missing child smugly denounces sniffer dogs - when if his child was missing would be delighted to have them arrive on the scene.




    and this



  • #53
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    guttenberg wrote: »
    Why will it take so long for the results to be known? If Jeremy Kyle can get DNA tests done pretty quickly, why the delay?
    Totally true


  • #54
    jugger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭jugger


    starlings wrote: »
    I think having to live without their daughter, knowing it was due to their poor judgement, is the severest punishment going.

    that is a very good point and i am in agreement to a certain point but it child neglect should there not be something i really dont know what though


  • #55
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    jugger wrote: »
    yes they did imo it was partly to find maddy but mainly jerry and kate its not our fault every one leaves ther kids alone pr campain



    on this i agree 100%



    he could have fooled me


    That video, typical of many such conspiracy-type videos online, jumps to conclusions. At no point in the video did the McCanns say they didn't look for Madeleine at all for 48 hours (as the video claims) but merely that they were in a state of shock for the first 48 hours.

    Also the video claims they showed no emotion when told of possible sightings, and concludes that this means they're guilty. Just like that. But again, what Kate McCann actually said is that they didn't go through an emotional rolercoaster at every mention of a sighting in the follwing weeks and months.

    And I kind of understand that in a way, that there were so many supposed sightings of Madeleine (everywhere from here to the planet zog) there was no point getting their hopes up every time. And how do any of us know what emotions they were/are feeling?

    I'm not trying to argue in the McCann's defence, just saying it's pointless posting up videos that jump to silly conclusions not supported by the evidence they themselves are supposedly portraying.

    Like that other video footage of Gerry briefly laughing. Unless you know when that footage was filmed and what was being said then it means nothing. Were it a day or two after she went missing his relaxed mood would be pretty strange alright.


  • #56
    markesmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭markesmith


    LivelineDipso wrote: »
    They managed to win the respect of the entire world

    No, they didn't. They won the respect of people with nothing better to do than read the red-tops and watch Sky News and identify with the missing white girl of affluent background.

    We're not talking Gandhi, Mandela or Rosa Luxemburg here.


  • #57
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    aidan24326 wrote: »
    That video, typical of many such conspiracy-type videos online, jumps to conclusions. At no point in the video did the McCanns say they didn't look for Madeleine at all for 48 hours (as the video claims) but merely that they were in a state of shock for the first 48 hours.

    Also the video claims they showed no emotion when told of possible sightings, and concludes that this means they're guilty. Just like that. But again, what Kate McCann actually said is that they didn't go through an emotional rolercoaster at every mention of a sighting in the follwing weeks and months.

    And I kind of understand that in a way, that there were so many supposed sightings of Madeleine (everywhere from here to the planet zog) there was no point getting their hopes up every time. And how do any of us know what emotions they were/are feeling?

    I'm not trying to argue in the McCann's defence, just saying it's pointless posting up videos that jump to silly conclusions not supported by the evidence they themselves are supposedly portraying.

    Like that other video footage of Gerry briefly laughing. Unless you know when that footage was filmed and what was being said then it means nothing. Were it a day or two after she went missing his relaxed mood would be pretty strange alright.

    I didn't watch the videos, do the mention anything about using the find Madeline fund to pay their mortgage?


  • #58
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    sadie06 wrote: »
    Who in their right mind thinks it's ok to be a few hundred metres away from their sleeping children? As doctors, their awareness of the variety of ways children can so easily injure themselves should have added to the natural common sense any parent has.

    The fact that they were in a strange country and the property was not secured properly makes it completely unfathomable.

    I actually think it explains it. People get into holiday mentality. I've seen it a lot where I grew up (Howth), lots of day-trippers visit and go into "tourist-mode", as well as actual tourists, walking out in front of cars, head in the cloud, not aware of the wallet sticking out of their back pocket, taking forever to pay for things cos everyone here's on a holiday and nobody minds going a bit slower (apart from the locals behind you :rolleyes:). They probably relaxed into their holiday, behaved like the vast majority of people on holidays and let down their guard.

    jugger wrote: »
    her parents are partly responable some would say totally responable

    Partly responsible insofar as they made it slightly, just slightly, easier for her to be taken. They didn't (to the best of anyone's knowledge) approach people and arrange for her to be taken. That would be totally responsible. Can I ask, if you have a babysitter or are at home with your own kids, are you in the same room as them 100% of the time, even when they're sleeping? There's no guarantee that if they or a babysitter had been there that she wouldn't have been taken. It just would have been harder to take her, maybe too hard, but there's no guarantee of that.


  • #59
    Boombastic
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    miss no stars wrote: »
    ......................
    Partly responsible insofar as they made it slightly, just slightly, easier for her to be taken. They didn't (to the best of anyone's knowledge) approach people and arrange for her to be taken. That would be totally responsible. Can I ask, if you have a babysitter or are at home with your own kids, are you in the same room as them 100% of the time, even when they're sleeping? There's no guarantee that if they or a babysitter had been there that she wouldn't have been taken. It just would have been harder to take her, maybe too hard, but there's no guarantee of that.

    I would expect the babysitter to at least be in the house and not down the local having a few scoops with their mates, leaving the house unlocked


  • #60
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    Boombastic wrote: »
    I would expect the babysitter to at least be in the house and not down the local having a few scoops with their mates, leaving the house unlocked

    To be fair you're deliberately missing my point. Having someone there is a deterrant, not prevention.


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  • #61
    HondaSami
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    miss no stars wrote: »

    Partly responsible insofar as they made it slightly, just slightly, easier for her to be taken. They didn't (to the best of anyone's knowledge) approach people and arrange for her to be taken. That would be totally responsible. Can I ask, if you have a babysitter or are at home with your own kids, are you in the same room as them 100% of the time, even when they're sleeping? There's no guarantee that if they or a babysitter had been there that she wouldn't have been taken. It just would have been harder to take her, maybe too hard, but there's no guarantee of that.

    I have heard so many people try justify leaving three babies in a room by themselves while the parents are out drinking and it will never be acceptable for me, the parents were not even in the same building and lets not forget these are two doctors and one of the twins had been sick that day, this did not stop the parents leaving them alone.

    Yes it could have happened if the parents were there but the chances are it would not have happened and if it did they would not feel as guilty as they must do now.

    Not one of the group involved were responsible imo, they all neglected their children for their own selfish needs.


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