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    Nowhere in nature is there just one of anything,many many universes is my guess.


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    kneemos wrote: »
    Nowhere in nature is there just one of anything,many many universes is my guess.

    Shur there's only one you! And one me. And one yore ma etc.


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    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Simple, just multiply the amount grains of sand on every beach divide by 6 and a half and multiply by the amount of shoes Imelda Marcus had plus 31 and subtract 1/3 of the original number times 2.......


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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


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    The best bits you say.......!! where can one find this incredible piece of televison.


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    The edge would be like a carrot on a stick to us.

    That doesn't mean it is infinite in size already.
    The universe expands faster than the speed of light, so the carrot on a stick is correct.

    Indeed it doesn't mean it is infinite at all. We do not know if it is finite or infinite.

    Infinity is also counter intuitive, there are many cool proofs associated with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert's_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel


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very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very very very very very very very very vry very very very very BIG!
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    Courtesy Flush
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    Reality is but a dream. Nothing exists


  • #49
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    And it all fits into a pea thats the part to get your bulb around.

    The Buddhist view on it is that form is empty and emptiness is form.

    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:head exlodes


  • #50
    richiek67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭richiek67


    Its bigger than that. Infact, if you go another 10 light years you'd get to Cavan...lol


  • #51
    Jimminy Mc Fukhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 305 ✭✭Jimminy Mc Fukhead


    Courtesy Flush wrote: »
    Reality is but a dream. Nothing exists

    Maybe you're just dreaming that.
    And when you wake up you will find that that is not the case at all.

    Checkmate.


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  • #52
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    richiek67 wrote: »
    Its bigger than that. Infact, if you go another 10 light years you'd get to Cavan...lol

    is that in a country mans light year? :rolleyes:


  • #53
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    There is no "edge" to the universe IMHO. If you travelled to the "edge" of the universe, you'd just "wrap around" to the other side. Just like a hamster running on a wheel.


  • #54
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    srsly78 wrote: »
    The greeks had this figured out thousands of years ago ffs. Achilles goes to edge of universe and throws spear out - spear keeps going. Therefore the universe is infinite.

    Modern science has not improved on this thought experiment, well except maybe nowadays we might imagine Achilles in a spacesuit.

    Even if the universe was finite, we could never get to the edge cause space itself is expanding in such a way that the farther something away is, the faster it is expanding away from you. The farther parts of the universe are rushing away from us at faster than the speed of light (relative to our position and speed, but not relative to it's own position and speed so therefore not in violation of the cosmic speed limit) so we would never ever be able to get to the edge of the universe (if there was one)

    Ban billionaires



  • #55
    Jimminy Mc Fukhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 305 ✭✭Jimminy Mc Fukhead


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    If you travelled to the "edge" of the universe, you'd just "wrap around" to the other side.

    That's right. And once you've 'wrapped around' to the other side you'll be at that sides edge.


  • #56
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Opinions what lies beyond the visible universe?
    More universe, lots and lots more universe.

    It probably doesn't matter what lies beyond. By the time we get to see what's in the current visible universe we'll be bored with exploring space.


  • #57
    srsly78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,156 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Even if the universe was finite, we could never get to the edge cause space itself is expanding in such a way that the farther something away is, the faster it is expanding away from you. The farther parts of the universe are rushing away from us at faster than the speed of light (relative to our position and speed, but not relative to it's own position and speed so therefore not in violation of the cosmic speed limit) so we would never ever be able to get to the edge of the universe (if there was one)

    Clearly Achilles does not give a single **** about your petty physical laws, he is the son of a nymph!


  • #58
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    If anyone gets their can they please report back on how big Uranus is.


  • #59
    Kxiii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Kxiii


    tdv123 wrote: »
    If anyone gets their can they please report back on how big Uranus is.

    Never mind that, have you seen Saturn's ring? :eek:


  • #60
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Our solar system isnt even a snow flake in the Antarctic.


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    Reindeer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Our solar system isnt even a snow flake in the Antarctic.

    Especially from the view of the Voyagers:

    http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/index.html
    http://www.space.com/17456-voyager-1-spacecraft-solar-system-edge.html


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