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School going 5-year-old children performing oral sex on each other

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭nucker


    Grayson wrote: »
    So every gynacological exam, by a male or female doctor is a sexual act? As is say a prostate exam?

    The same act, can be sexual or non sexual depending on what the circumstances are. A child that age has no conception of sex, it's not a sexual act.

    Stop imposing your obsession with sex onto a childs acts.


    Did I say that it was a sexual act to examine a male or female only for medical reasons? No, so stop trying to put words into my mouth. Did I "examine" genitalia when I was playing doctors and nurses? No I didn't even go that far, let alone go naked to play doctors and nurses, sheesh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭monkeypants


    The number of people joining the priesthood has been dropping for years and this is one of the consequences; the kids have to perform sex acts on each other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Gosub


    Even if she was older than the guy I don't think it's fair to refer to her as "it".
    I think when they say "it went down... " they are using the Americanisn in the same way as "the drug deal went down..." Not the sexual act known as "going down on"

    Or am I just being all innocent, like? :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Gosub wrote: »
    I think when they say "it went down... " they are using the Americanisn in the same way as "the drug deal went down..." Not the sexual act known as "going down on"

    Or am I just being all innocent, like? :o
    That's the joke

    5 year old kids dont randomly start going down on eachother, this is a learned behaviour. Either an older kid told them about it, or they stumbled accross some porn or they were abused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭nucker



    5 year old kids dont randomly start going down on eachother, this is a learned behaviour. Either an older kid told them about it, or they stumbled accross some porn or they were abused.


    Exactly


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Its weird but its kind of funny, kids these days are mad.

    The chicks will be called sluts, while the guys will be bragging all their lives saying ahhhhh yeah got blown when i was 5 mate.

    They'll be legends :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    World';s youngest eiditon to a live sex offender register.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's the joke

    5 year old kids dont randomly start going down on eachother, this is a learned behaviour. Either an older kid told them about it, or they stumbled accross some porn or they were abused.

    We don't know what happened but automatically jumping to abuse doesn't make sense. A lot of kids do proper weird things til they're told to stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    nucker wrote: »
    Did I say that it was a sexual act to examine a male or female only for medical reasons? No, so stop trying to put words into my mouth. Did I "examine" genitalia when I was playing doctors and nurses? No I didn't even go that far, let alone go naked to play doctors and nurses, sheesh

    My point was that just because something involves genatils does not mean it's a sexual act. What the kids did was as unsexual as a doctors exam. But you obviously have your head stuck in sexville. For some reason what two kids did "has" to be sexual. That's just weird.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    That's the joke

    5 year old kids dont randomly start going down on eachother, this is a learned behaviour. Either an older kid told them about it, or they stumbled accross some porn or they were abused.

    Really? Why does it have to be? Kids experiment. They shove marbles in strange places.
    http://www.splitcoaststampers.com/forums/family-matters-f64/uuumm-my-son-stuck-marble-up-his-bum-t111612.html

    They eat dirt, they eat snot. They'll try licking anything, including pets. they may even do other things to pets.

    Kids are just weird and do all these things without it being sexual at all. As adults we tend to view everything that way, but kids are a blank slate that have no preconcieved notions and will do all these things without ever having witnessed the behaviour in adults.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    To me it's not that surprising. Kids are exposed to sex at younger and young ages. They hear extremely explicit pop music. For example "Rude Boy" by Rihanna. and you wonder why they are confused about sex


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭nucker


    Grayson wrote: »
    My point was that just because something involves genatils does not mean it's a sexual act. What the kids did was as unsexual as a doctors exam. But you obviously have your head stuck in sexville. For some reason what two kids did "has" to be sexual. That's just weird.


    Oh I have my head stuck up in sexville? So you would allow this to continue because you perceive this as normal behaviour? So if it isn't sexual, then it is just "imitating adults"? That is also weird

    And are you saying that just because adults do it, its not sexual?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭nucker


    To me it's not that surprising. Kids are exposed to sex at younger and young ages. They hear extremely explicit pop music. For example "Rude Boy" by Rihanna. and you wonder why they are confused about sex


    But kids that are likely to listen to Rhianna are teens not 5 years old, yes, some kids at that age are likely to listen to that because of their parents


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭Rocket19


    Grayson wrote: »

    Really? Why does it have to be? Kids experiment. They shove marbles in strange places.
    http://www.splitcoaststampers.com/forums/family-matters-f64/uuumm-my-son-stuck-marble-up-his-bum-t111612.html

    They eat dirt, they eat snot. They'll try licking anything, including pets. they may even do other things to pets.

    Kids are just weird and do all these things without it being sexual at all. As adults we tend to view everything that way, but kids are a blank slate that have no preconcieved notions and will do all these things without ever having witnessed the behaviour in adults.

    You're not the only one 'enlightened' enough to realise that kids must be socialised in order to learn what is right/wrong in society.

    However, your argument is simplistic, and is only ONE theory as to what occurred at this school. Implying other posters are perverted, and projecting adult notions on the children is pretty hysterical.

    I agree that it is possible that the kids were just being naturally curious. I would imagine its not uncommon to catch children doing all manner of things they haven't been "trained" not to do yet.
    However, it's not hysterical or perverted to suggest that these kids were acting out abuse (on each other) that they may have been subjected to by an adult. It's actually highly possible this is what happened, as abused children often do things like this.

    While all kids experiment/play doctor, I find it unfeasible that kids would perform full on oral sex on each other (they are very unlikely to understand it as sex, but still).
    Do you know any five year olds? Mention the word "willy" to most 5 year olds, and they'll crack up laughing. Most kids at that age have at least some notion of "private parts", and that some areas are "naughty", or whatever. Especially when you consider this is a religious school.

    While you may be 100% correct that the kids were just messing about completely innocently, it's still ridiculous to suggest that other posters have an "obsession with sex", and that there is no reason to investigate, or even suspect anything more dubious going on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    We don't know what happened but automatically jumping to abuse doesn't make sense. A lot of kids do proper weird things til they're told to stop.

    People just love a good proper child abuse moanfest. Nobody can play it down or not take their side without being called a paedophile.

    Also it was a religious school, if it can be made out to be abuse this story can be used as a base for an 'Are all religions inherently prone to child abuse' thread by some atheist keyboard monkey


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    nucker wrote: »
    Oh I have my head stuck up in sexville? So you would allow this to continue because you perceive this as normal behaviour? So if it isn't sexual, then it is just "imitating adults"? That is also weird

    And are you saying that just because adults do it, its not sexual?

    Who said anything about letting them continue it?

    And no, you're reading the opposite of what's being said.


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kichote wrote: »
    People just love a good proper child abuse moanfest. Nobody can play it down or not take their side without being called a paedophile.

    Also it was a religious school, if it can be made out to be abuse this story can be used as a base for an 'Are all religions inherently prone to child abuse' thread by some atheist keyboard monkey

    TBH I doubt that, it seems to be the moral hysteria people using this as a stick. Generally keyboard atheists disliking jumping to conclusions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Rocket19 wrote: »
    You're not the only one 'enlightened' enough to realise that kids must be socialised in order to learn what is right/wrong in society.

    However, your argument is simplistic, and is only ONE theory as to what occurred at this school. Implying other posters are perverted, and projecting adult notions on the children is pretty hysterical.

    I agree that it is possible that the kids were just being naturally curious. I would imagine its not uncommon to catch children doing all manner of things they haven't been "trained" not to do yet.
    However, it's not hysterical or perverted to suggest that these kids were acting out abuse (on each other) that they may have been subjected to by an adult. It's actually highly possible this is what happened, as abused children often do things like this.

    While all kids experiment/play doctor, I find it unfeasible that kids would perform full on oral sex on each other (they are very unlikely to understand it as sex, but still).
    Do you know any five year olds? Mention the word "willy" to most 5 year olds, and they'll crack up laughing. Most kids at that age have at least some notion of "private parts", and that some areas are "naughty", or whatever. Especially when you consider this is a religious school.

    While you may be 100% correct that the kids were just messing about completely innocently, it's still ridiculous to suggest that other posters have an "obsession with sex", and that there is no reason to investigate, or even suspect anything more dubious going on.

    There is absolutely no evidence, absolutely no suggestion that the kids were abused.

    There is absolutely no suggestion at all that the kids were acting in a "sexual" manner.

    The only place all this is coming from is the heads of the posters. They're incapabale of thinking that it could have an innocent explanation.

    The kids involved in this will probably never live it down. Rumours spread and hang around. By the time they're teens, they could be labeled for life. Their parents too. And it's because of people guessing and suggesting. But yeah, I'm the one that's overreacting and being ridiculous. .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    nucker wrote: »
    Oh I have my head stuck up in sexville? So you would allow this to continue because you perceive this as normal behaviour? So if it isn't sexual, then it is just "imitating adults"? That is also weird

    And are you saying that just because adults do it, its not sexual?

    I'm saying that when a doctor puts his finger in your ass, it's not sexual. when your partner does it, it is. The exact same act in two different ways can have two completly different motives/meanings.

    If a child does something it does not make it a sexual act just because it is a sexual act when adults do it.

    Like the link I posted where a child inserted something where it's not meant to be. If an adult did it, it'd be sexual. If a 4 year old kid does it, it's moronic. And you just tell them not to do it again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    nucker wrote: »
    So you don't think it should be illegal for them to engage in sex?

    Can't see why it should be. You think a "trial" and a sentence are needed for these children- to punish them appropriately or dissuade other 5 year olds from following down that path?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    nucker wrote: »
    So you don't think it should be illegal for them to engage in sex?

    Illegal? They're five years old! I was only joking wen Ic suggested the sex offenders register.

    Wile not exactly ideal, it's probably pretty harmless although obviously something you don't want the kids to engage in.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    just to mess with your heads

    there is a tribe called the sambia who believe to become a man you most consume semen so the boys are talking away at about 7 years old and spend the next few years of their lives giving and receiving blowjobs from other boys and older men. It is viewed as cultural not a sexual act

    try get your head around that one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    just to mess with your heads

    there is a tribe called the sambia who believe to become a man you most consume semen so the boys are talking away at about 7 years old and spend the next few years of their lives giving and receiving blowjobs from other boys and older men. It is viewed as cultural not a sexual act

    try get your head around that one

    That's what he said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Illegal? They're five years old! I was only joking wen Ic suggested the sex offenders register.

    Wile not exactly ideal, it's probably pretty harmless although obviously something you don't want the kids to engage in.

    There was a case in the US where teenage girls were charged with making and distributing child pornography.

    they has a sleepover and took photo's of each other on their phones. As far as I'm aware there was no nudity.

    They mailed them to each other on their phones.

    They then did something in school that involved their phones being conviscated. The teacher examined all the photo's on the phone and called the police who charged them.

    the girls only shared the photo's within their own group, but they were charged with production, possession and distribution of child pornography. Nothing happened to the pervy teacher.

    There is something seriously messed up with that scenario. I think too often we apply adult rules to kids.

    Then again, there have vbeen cases of teenage girls sending naked photo's to their boyfriends. is that child porn distribution? In this case it's definitely sexual, but do we really want to lock up a 13 year old girl and put her on a sex offenders list for that? It's a messed up and confused situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭michellie


    Something seriously wrong going on there. Those childrens backgrounds need to be looked into asap! I have a 4 year old daughter(almost 5) and all my friends boys are 4, this is no way normal. Very worried for those children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Grayson wrote: »
    There was a case in the US where teenage girls were charged with making and distributing child pornography.

    they has a sleepover and took photo's of each other on their phones. As far as I'm aware there was no nudity.

    They mailed them to each other on their phones.

    They then did something in school that involved their phones being conviscated. The teacher examined all the photo's on the phone and called the police who charged them.

    the girls only shared the photo's within their own group, but they were charged with production, possession and distribution of child pornography. Nothing happened to the pervy teacher.

    There is something seriously messed up with that scenario. I think too often we apply adult rules to kids.

    Then again, there have vbeen cases of teenage girls sending naked photo's to their boyfriends. is that child porn distribution? In this case it's definitely sexual, but do we really want to lock up a 13 year old girl and put her on a sex offenders list for that? It's a messed up and confused situation.

    There was also a case of a 14 year old boy who too a nake picture of himself and was done with possessino of child porn. And he never sent it to anyone.

    I honestly think this is an over-reaction and prudish respone to somethign that involes ess ee ex.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    I wonder if the girl will be tried as an adult, get 13 years in a child detention centre and be on the SO register for life?

    This is America after all.

    The boys will have forgotten about all this in a few weeks. But the girl most likely learned this behaviour from an adult abuser. She will suffer the most from all this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭nucker


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    Illegal? They're five years old! I was only joking wen Ic suggested the sex offenders register.

    Wile not exactly ideal, it's probably pretty harmless although obviously something you don't want the kids to engage in.


    Probably harmless? Sexual diseases are not harmless, oral sex is not normal even for heterosexual behaviour, so define "harmless"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭nucker


    pH wrote: »
    Can't see why it should be. You think a "trial" and a sentence are needed for these children- to punish them appropriately or dissuade other 5 year olds from following down that path?


    So you want highly sexualised corrupted kids by the age of 5? Sheesh, what next?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    nucker wrote: »
    Probably harmless? Sexual diseases are not harmless, oral sex is not normal even for heterosexual behaviour, so define "harmless"

    Harmless as in we're not talking about deranged perverts here. And who says oral sex is not normal behaveiour for hetrosexuals? What are you defining as "normal"?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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