Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

WakeUp · 02-02-2013 05:54PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Why'd you ask about it so?

I asked as Im curious to know how someone who doesnt even live in this country seems to know it all. A fair question to ask I think.

02-02-2013 05:55PM

dvpower wrote: »

We're not being raped by anyone.
Our Government provided a blanket guarantee - a stupid decision - and now we are paying for it.

Trying to put this all on some 'foreign entity' is just plain silly. You should just be thankful that the Government aren't taking the hysterical approach that you are.

Had the banks collapsed, though, wouldn't we have been in hock for something in the region of €250b worth of deposits? I don't think it's simple enough to believe that any decision would have been truly a right or a wrong one. Saving the country from some extremely unpleasant societal situation was, I believe, the motive of Brian Lenihan in issuing the bank guarantee. I honestly believe that things could have been an awful lot worse for us.

The people who will be marching will be the usual moochers and overly-entitled folk, giving out about trivial things like a doubling of the price of a birth cert. "We can't take it any more." or something along those lines, after which they head home for a huge feed in their lovely houses to watch sky for the night.

02-02-2013 05:57PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Fair enough, so if you're against it would you not support attempts to stop it.. even if they prove to be futile?

Why all the degradation of people that are actually demonstrating their opposition? (generally I mean... not aimed at you in particular)

The only one I've made fun of are some posts which are particularly hysterical and going on about rape.
Other than that, I've said I won't take part because I don't see what it has to do with jobs, that I'd have equal concerns about the health budget, and that I don't mind if people want to go and protest but I'd have more support for it if they sounded more coherent.
I also think now that the damage has been done, the banks guaranteed, it's not so simple as "just stop paying".

WakeUp · 02-02-2013 05:58PM

bluewolf wrote: »

The only one I've made fun of is a particularly hysterical poster posting about rape and seeming confused about what he is actually trying to say. Other than that, I've said I won't take part because I don't see what it has to do with jobs, that I'd have equal concerns about the health budget, and that I don't mind if people want to go and protest but I'd have more support for it if they sounded more coherent.

Made fun of really

please do show where youve done that how very mature of you

rolliepoley · 02-02-2013 06:00PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Saying a march = no cameraderie.

but its not if everyone dose'nt partake, which will happen.

Sniper Alert · 02-02-2013 06:01PM

I'll definitely be there....for the few pints afterwards. All that shouting insults at bankers and marching around in circles is gonna be thirsty work and I haven't had a shcoop in Galway in ages!!!

dvpower · 02-02-2013 06:08PM

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Had the banks collapsed, though, wouldn't we have been in hock for something in the region of €250b worth of deposits? I don't think it's simple enough to believe that any decision would have been truly a right or a wrong one. Saving the country from some extremely unpleasant societal situation was, I believe, the motive of Brian Lenihan in issuing the bank guarantee. I honestly believe that things could have been an awful lot worse for us.

The guarantee was probably necessary for some of the banks, I can't see the necessity of guaranteeing Anglo.

I can't remember the street big protests about it at the time. It was pretty widely hailed as a good idea and a brave move at the time. We are now like the gambler who lost (that another poster mentioned earlier), who now wants to get their money back and tear up the betting slip.

My name is URL · 02-02-2013 06:10PM

bluewolf wrote: »

The only one I've made fun of are some posts which are particularly hysterical and going on about rape.
Other than that, I've said I won't take part because I don't see what it has to do with jobs, that I'd have equal concerns about the health budget, and that I don't mind if people want to go and protest but I'd have more support for it if they sounded more coherent.
I also think now that the damage has been done, the banks guaranteed, it's not so simple as "just stop paying".

I don't think it's too late to split our banking and sovereign debts. Even the IMF continue to put pressure on the EU / ECB to implement such an agreement.

http://www.iiea.com/blogosphere/irelands-banking-debt-explaining-the-cost-of-anglo-and-irish-nationwide

WakeUp · 02-02-2013 06:14PM

bluewolf wrote: »

The only one I've made fun of are some posts which are particularly hysterical and going on about rape.

So you gona back that up or retract it?

making fun of people how childish of you. Care to back it up?

emo72 · 02-02-2013 06:19PM

will be there.

dvpower · 02-02-2013 06:28PM

I still don't quite understand what this protest is about.

'We don't like having a big debt because it diverts resources from services and depresses the economy' is all I really get from the ICTU site, but are they marching in support of the Government's efforts to renegotiate it?
Or do they want the debt forgiven, or for the state to default, or what?

They really need to define more clearly what this about if they want to get a big turnout. Otherwise it'll be all the usual suspects complaining about everything from water charges, to Garda station closures, to the property tax, health cutbacks and whatever else their favourite gripe de jour is.

02-02-2013 06:31PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think it's too late to split our banking and sovereign debts. Even the IMF continue to put pressure on the EU / ECB to implement such an agreement.

http://www.iiea.com/blogosphere/irelands-banking-debt-explaining-the-cost-of-anglo-and-irish-nationwide

I think the deal at the moment is just "pay it off longer". I haven't been paying massive attention to it in recent months other than to see there's a legal challenge about the promissory notes in general. I'll have to do some more reading

hmmm · 02-02-2013 06:32PM

Instead of meaningless slogans, I'd like to see people at this march use honest slogans that represent their views

"No to austerity, tax the private sector harder"
"No to austerity, I don't want my public sector overtime payments cut"
"No to austerity, I like my 34 hour public sector week"
"No to austerity, my quango is at threat of losing taxpayer funding"
"No to austerity, my charity/social worker/community organisation is at threat of losing taxpayer funding"
"No to austerity, you can cut the wages of new entrants but don't come near me"
"No to austerity, I'm only doing this because people expect it of union leaders on 100k a year hahahaha"

COYW · 02-02-2013 06:44PM

dvpower wrote: »

I still don't quite understand what this protest is about.

The march is an attention seeking exercise for the ICTU and the hard left. They consistently fail to come up with any sort of meaningful plan to get us out of the mess we are in, so they hold these marches every now and then where they chant infantile slogans, blow whistles and listen to overpaid lefties bemoaning the lives of the "most vulnerable members of society" to try and drum up some support.

No doubt that most of these attendees will be hitting the pub afterwards even though they are living below the poverty line, apparently.

hatrickpatrick · 02-02-2013 06:56PM

hmmm wrote: »

Instead of meaningless slogans, I'd like to see people at this march use honest slogans that represent their views

"No to austerity, tax the private sector harder"
"No to austerity, I don't want my public sector overtime payments cut"
"No to austerity, I like my 34 hour public sector week"
"No to austerity, my quango is at threat of losing taxpayer funding"
"No to austerity, my charity/social worker/community organisation is at threat of losing taxpayer funding"
"No to austerity, you can cut the wages of new entrants but don't come near me"
"No to austerity, I'm only doing this because people expect it of union leaders on 100k a year hahahaha"

How about "No austerity for ordinary people until every cent that can be milked from Bertie, Cown, Seanie, Drumm, Fingers, Quinn and the rest of the golden circle has been prised from their hands and they are surviving on minimum wage like so many people they f*cked over"?

You know, justice.

COYW · 02-02-2013 07:14PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How about "No austerity for ordinary people until every cent that can be milked from Bertie, Cown, Seanie, Drumm, Fingers, Quinn and the rest of the golden circle has been prised from their hands and they are surviving on minimum wage like so many people they f*cked over"?

You know, justice.

So how exactly does that solve our problems? Or is it just some class of begrudging "justice"/revenge that promotes a feel good factor for "ordinary" people like yourself? What factual grounds do you have for bleeding them until they are broke or is it simply the case that they should be broke coz I am?

You won't get too much from Quinn by the way, he aint exactly flush with cash!

dvpower · 02-02-2013 07:22PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

You know, justice.

I know revenge.

tayto lover · 02-02-2013 08:31PM

Why should the large German working population have to pay only 1.5% of the Banking debt and the small Irish working population 42%? It's just madness.

starlings · 02-02-2013 08:50PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Why should the large German working population have to pay only 1.5% of the Banking debt and the small Irish working population 42%? It's just madness.

because they didn't have a Teutonic Tiger that got drunk on its own bullsh1t and ran up a huge tab?

tayto lover · 02-02-2013 08:54PM

starlings wrote: »

because they didn't have a Teutonic Tiger that got drunk on its own bullsh1t and ran up a huge tab?

The Irish people didn't.
Most of us owe nothing on borrowings yet we have to pay.
Didn't our Taoiseach even tell us we"are not to blame".

Mr Benevolent · 02-02-2013 09:01PM

No I won't be. I'm happy to pay my tax. Motor tax, on the other hand, I can mostly avoid, even with a 3.5L engine*.

*Avoid, not evade.

starlings · 02-02-2013 09:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The Irish people didn't.
Most of us owe nothing on borrowings yet we have to pay.
Didn't our Taoiseach even tell us we"are not to blame".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTbgsoHDc24

tayto lover · 02-02-2013 09:05PM

starlings wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTbgsoHDc24

So was our "dear" leader wrong?

starlings · 02-02-2013 09:09PM

tayto lover wrote: »

So was our "dear" leader wrong?

when he said it's not our fault or when he said we all went mad in the Celtic Tiger years?

My name is URL · 02-02-2013 09:10PM

Confab wrote: »

No I won't be. I'm happy to pay my tax. Motor tax, on the other hand, I can mostly avoid, even with a 3.5L engine*.

*Avoid, not evade.

You're happy to pay tax yet avoid doing so? riiiiight

And what has the protest got to do with paying tax anyway? It's about making distinctions between our debt as a sovereign nation and the debts of failed private enterprises.

tayto lover · 02-02-2013 09:11PM

starlings wrote: »

when he said it's not our fault or when he said we all went mad in the Celtic Tiger years?

Well he can't be right in both now, can he?
I wonder which of them his disciples on here agree with?

BlaasForRafa · 02-02-2013 09:16PM

Since this protest is being organised by the unions then I wouldn't have anything to do with it. The public sector unions are part of the problem not part of the solution.

ilovesleep · 02-02-2013 09:18PM

starlings wrote: »

because they didn't have a Teutonic Tiger that got drunk on its own bullsh1t and ran up a huge tab?

How are we responsible for what went on in offices and behind closed doors in banks? We are all responsible for our own finances and for no body elses.

Again, the same goes for work. We all only responsible for ourselves, our own jobs and responsiblities and for no body elses. It was the banking regulators job to over see the banks and he failed. He allowed the banks to run wild. How were we responsible for his job?

woodoo · 02-02-2013 09:18PM

hmmm wrote: »

"No to austerity, tax the private sector harder"
"

Do you believe that taxes don't apply to the public sector too. If after all the time you have been hanging around these sort of threads you still don't understand then i despair.

Aquarius34 · 02-02-2013 09:23PM

Protesting doesn't work, and neither does voting.

The way to stop corruption is to stop giving your power and life over to corrupt leaders. Shut the T.V off. Stop voting. Stop listening to your leaders. Stop believing in them and focus on you. You are only responsible for self. What's the point in protesting to a bunch of liars? They have the law enforcement on their side because the law enforcement officials are paid to lie also and lie for them.

Feb 9th Protest - will you be joining?

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