Does the social welfare help people who help themselves?

Odysseus · 31-01-2013 11:56PM

catallus wrote: »

Yes I have seen lump-sums being collected by persons who were in prison. The payments build up and are payable to the claimant. It is not necessary to sign on continuously.

Nah, all the guys in the clinic have to sign back on after being released. Believe me if they could do it they would be doing it. I get to hear all the various scams.

What they can still do [I think, as it is now very hard to do] is have another person collect their payment from the PO, but they need their dole card for that. As I said it is a lot harder to do now, actually I haven't heard of anyone doing it in a while, but there is still a chance.

Now I have not claimed the dole in a long time, but we do have CWOs in the clinics so I'm not totally in the dark about it. If you get a lump sum in a PO it is for other reasons than leeting your payments build up.

Odysseus · 01-02-2013 12:01AM

Pottler wrote: »

Yes, I have. Their mate goes and collects it for them, and yes, I have seen it, and no, there's no system for combatting it, and yes, it is a dumb system. Even dumber in its treatment of the formerly self-employed, the truly vulnerable and the decent. It's a generally sh1tty system exploited by the sh1tty.

That is totally different to what is being claimed, I have noted that one myself.

However, as I said I'm not sure how many are getting away with that now, I agree it was very common, but their are more checks now. I haven't heard anyone talking about this in a while now.

Yes, I fully agree with you this should not be able to happen, but it is different to having payments build up while you are locked up.

catallus · 01-02-2013 12:02AM

Might be harder to do now, maybe procedure has changed, fair enough. But I used to work pretty close to people who could give me the ins-and-outs of how the payments could build up for at least six months.

Odysseus · 01-02-2013 12:04AM

K-9 wrote: »

Is that true? Mind boggling if it is, sure they get prison pay as well. I think there used to be a prison wives (sexist) allowance type thing years ago, think it might be allowed now under the Lone Parents Allowance, could be wrong though!

Would that be the old deserted wives allowance as it was called, I haven't heard that in years.

Odysseus · 01-02-2013 12:12AM

catallus wrote: »

Might be harder to do now, maybe procedure has changed, fair enough. But I used to work pretty close to people who could give me the ins-and-outs of how the payments could build up for at least six months.

The only way you could ever claim whilst in prison was to get someone to collect your payment and sign on for you weekly.

I think they where spoofing you, or maybe they where fed flase info.

I know people who where to ill to get to a PO and wiothin 10 days the payment was returned.

Now it is unusual for me to state I'm 100% right because I always acknowleged than none of us know everything, but on this I'm going 99.9999999%

Tombi! · 01-02-2013 12:20AM

As far as I know (at least happen to me a few times over the last couple of years), if you don't collect your money, it'l be there for 3 days (officially) but it's five days in my experience. Then it'll go back to the welfare and the one time I didn't get it in time (was too sick), I had to go down and state I missed it.

So I have no idea how it'll "build" up without someone claiming it every week or whatever.
Although I'm talking about Jobseeker's Allowance (the stuff you get even if you never worked)

steddyeddy · 01-02-2013 12:41AM

catallus wrote: »

Steddyeddy, it's nice to know that you do good work with young victims of abuse and that it can result in them turning their lives around. I think the problem you're outlining is that the state support structure is designed without taking into account individual circumstances and it is tough when a genuine person tries to pull themselves up but is kept down by a system that insists on blind equality.

Thank you. I doesnt always go to plan though unfortunatly. You hit te nail on the head regarding individual circumstances. Eg these kids where delayed with payment until they had to prive when they left home ect. So they had to track down old social workers ect and get form after form. They dont make it easy.

K-9 · 01-02-2013 01:03AM

Odysseus wrote: »

Would that be the old deserted wives allowance as it was called, I haven't heard that in years.

Aye, the ould pc brigade sorted that out!;)

I presume your partner in prison means you qualify for LPA.

I'm not buying this prisoner SW thing, needs a little back up!

Does the social welfare help people who help themselves?

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