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UCI to seek to establish a Truth and Reconciliation Commission ...

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  • #32
    ashleey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭ashleey


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/uci-decision-to-drop-armstrong-probe-was-financial-3370554.html

    It gets worse. It has turned into name calling as McQuaid has accused Fahey of WADA of 'a vendetta against cycling'. Wasn't Paul Kimmage accused of the same?

    The point about not bankrupting cycling is valid, as is probably the jibe at the UCIs plush property but at this rate pro cycling will be bankrupt anyway and Lance will continue to paint himself as a saviour(?)


  • #33
    Fr D Maugire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    Rasmussen has confessed

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/michael-rasmussen-confesses-to-12-years-of-doping

    Apparently he has confessed to everything including naming people involved as well. Maybe this will flush out a few more rats. Perhaps the Rasmussen info combined with the Hamilton info will see Bjarne Riis booted from the sport for good. To think Stephen Roche was so keen for Nicolas to work with Bjarne :rolleyes:


  • #34
    tfrancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭tfrancer


    Fr D Maugire wrote: »
    Rasmussen has confessed

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/michael-rasmussen-confesses-to-12-years-of-doping

    Apparently he has confessed to everything including naming people involved as well. Maybe this will flush out a few more rats. Perhaps the Rasmussen info combined with the Hamilton info will see Bjarne Riis booted from the sport for good. To think Stephen Roche was so keen for Nicolas to work with Bjarne :rolleyes:

    Are you trying to suggest that Stephen Roche is a rat?


  • #35
    Fr D Maugire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    tfrancer wrote: »
    Are you trying to suggest that Stephen Roche is a rat?


    Well I find the idea of someone actively wanting their son to work with someone like Riis as a little bit worrisome. I would have preferred to see N.Roche go to a team other than Saxo.

    However I do not believe that just because you are on a team with a dodgy rep automatically means you dope as well.


  • #36
    Beasty
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    TBH when the dust settles on this I don't think there are many in the sport who will not have had some association with someone caught up in a doping scandal at some stage in their career. That does not make them guilty however and we all need to bear that in mind (particularly when posting here!!)

    Indeed, there are probably quite a few boardsies that are "connected" in some way to cyclists tainted by doping - a number went for a ride with Lance through the Park a few years ago for example;)


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  • #37
    Lusk Doyle
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    Beasty wrote: »
    TBH when the dust settles on this I don't think there are many in the sport who will not have had some association with someone caught up in a doping scandal at some stage in their career. That does not make them guilty however and we all need to bear that in mind (particularly when posting here!!)

    Indeed, there are probably quite a few boardsies that are "connected" in some way to cyclists tainted by doping - a number went for a ride with Lance through the Park a few years ago for example;)

    *cough* Raam *cough*


  • #38
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Beasty wrote: »
    TBH when the dust settles on this I don't think there are many in the sport who will not have had some association with someone caught up in a doping scandal at some stage in their career. That does not make them guilty however and we all need to bear that in mind (particularly when posting here!!)

    Indeed, there are probably quite a few boardsies that are "connected" in some way to cyclists tainted by doping - a number went for a ride with Lance through the Park a few years ago for example;)

    Seriously I think your post is spot on here Beasty. Anyone who's raced or been involved have knowlingly or not come into contact either doping at least indirectly. To moe on we need to accept this and a proper T+R process needs to happen ASAP and in an open an honest manner.
    The leadership of all the respectivel organisations has at best left a lot to be desired. I include WADA unfortunately among them.
    We need a new cohort of leaders in our great sport who seem less driven by ego anf more for a true desire to develope cycling at every level...


  • #39
    ashleey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭ashleey


    Change cycling now and LeMond? I'm in favour


  • #40
    RobFowl
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    ashleey wrote: »
    Change cycling now and LeMond? I'm in favour

    Ashenden walked away from CCN in a fit of pique last night though.....

    It's now the CCCN (continuity change cycling now....)


  • #41
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    RobFowl wrote: »
    The leadership of all the respectivel organisations has at best left a lot to be desired.

    Sadly this is true the world over. Most leaders have clay feet.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • #42
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Hermy wrote: »
    Sadly this is true the world over. Most leaders have clay feet.

    Ahem, have you forgotten the great Bertie already???


  • #43
    ashleey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭ashleey


    RobFowl wrote: »
    Ashenden walked away from CCN in a fit of pique last night though.....

    It's now the CCCN (continuity change cycling now....)
    Not the People's Front of Judea?

    W@nkers


  • #44
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    RobFowl wrote: »
    Ahem, have you forgotten the great Bertie already???

    Which one?:(

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #45
    ROK ON
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    How far back fo people think that a TRC should go. In a recent interview Lance made some points that despite wanting to I couldn't disagree with (I am ignoring his motives - I have an idea what they are).

    His point was that every podium finisher in a GT, World Champ of classic that is still alive should cooperate with any credible TRC - otherwise worthless.

    Doping exists in many sports but has been part of the fabric of cycling for very very long. Do people believe we should only look at the EPO years or go back further to address the dark history of cycling. It would be tempting to believe that EPO only succeed in entering cycling because the DS's at that time doped in an earlier era with drugs that were less efficacious.

    Should Kelly be asked to come forward. If we take it that he failed doped tests and served bans and cycled for an infamous cycling team - Pdm, then does he have a case to answer.

    Many of his classic wins were narrow. Was he doping when he beat Lemond in LBL. Would it have provided an advantage if he was.

    I think the point is that there has been so much doping in pro cycling that:
    1. We ignore it.
    2. We have a limited TRC and half deal with the issue.
    3. Let the sport wither.
    4. Expose it all. Build new foundations and progress.


  • #46
    High Nellie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭High Nellie


    Lusk Doyle wrote: »

    And we continue to bundle along from one mess to another. A comedy of errors.
    Feck the 'Truth and Reconcilation' BS. I'm in favour of a 'Truth and Justice' process - they all tell the Truth and everyone gets justice - both the villains and victims. Hopefully the Feds in the US and justice systems in other jurastictions will press on with that while the rest of us fall for 'The Truth And Reconciliation Obfuscation'


  • #47
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    ROK ON wrote: »
    His point was that every podium finisher in a GT, World Champ of classic that is still alive should cooperate with any credible TRC - otherwise worthless.

    Maybe that's why all surviving Tour de France finishers are being invited to final stage of this years Tour!:pac:

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #48
    Beasty
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    Hermy wrote: »
    Maybe that's why all surviving Tour de France finishers are being invited to final stage of this years Tour!:pac:
    Well if it's only finishers that have not had their names wiped from the record books then at this rate it could turn into a relatively cheap party ...


  • #49
    CptMackey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭CptMackey


    Is it possible to have faith in any results these days as long as there is still a silence about the drugs and with the uci changing its stance daily.

    Every time I watch a stage say in the mountains and I see a winner, all that goes through my head now is are they using drugs.

    This sport needs something concrete sooner rather than later.

    *not suggesting that recent stage winners etc are using but there is always a doubt in my mind. Having grown up watch the tour with lance being the main man it caused a lot of disillusionment for me with pro cycling


  • #50
    leftism
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭leftism


    tfrancer wrote: »
    Are you trying to suggest that Stephen Roche is a rat?

    Nobody is calling Roche a rat. But there is significant (some would say "overwhelming") evidence to suggest that he was administered EPO in the 90's. This all came about because Conconi published a paper on the effects of EPO use in 23 amateur cyclists which was proven to actually be data from 23 professional cyclists, 6 of whom were riding for Cerrara (of which Roche was named).

    Stephen Roche has always protested his innocence, but the official judicial investigation carried out in Italy back in 2000 did not agree with him.


    Watch the recent LLS interview with David Walsh and Emma O'Reilly.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lj9eKQX3R8

    Then watch the LLS interview with David Walsh and Stephen Roche back in 2000.

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y2wlKENW-M

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v0qlliFq8U

    Now if we've learned anything from the last 3 years of the Armstrong debacle, it is this; David Walsh was right all along.

    Irish cycling fans are more than welcome to believe that he got it right with Armstrong but horribly wrong with Roche. Based on the evidence and his track record, I choose to believe that Walsh got it right on both counts.


  • #51
    High Nellie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭High Nellie


    Beasty wrote: »

    Indeed, there are probably quite a few boardsies that are "connected" in some way to cyclists tainted by doping - a number went for a ride with Lance through the Park a few years ago for example;)
    Yes, but Lance hadn't been outed then. However, they've also flock to ride with Kelly and he had been caught. So, you are right. It's not so simple.


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  • #52
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    There'll be a story about Pat McQuaid and the UCI's deteriorating relationship with WADA over this in tomorrows Sunday Business Post.


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