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Prison as a lifestyle choice.

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  • #32
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    celticcrash wrote: »
    If you disagree with my posts thats ok but stop calling them bull****.

    Don't say I didn't try to warn you.


  • #33
    greenflash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭greenflash


    I did some work in the new wing in Portlaoise a few years back and can honestly say It's nicer than most Travelodges I've stayed in.


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I work in a well known Dublin Prison. I've posted similar to this before but here's a real insight into daily life inside for an inmate.


    - 8.10am Called and offered breakfast. (Cereal and Tea)
    They collect it from a servery and go back to their cells to eat it. There is no Dining Hall like in movies.

    - 9.15am Unlocked for workshops, school or jobs. All other inmates go to the exercise yard. If they 'stay back', they are declared sick in cell and must remain there for the day.

    - 12pm Fall in from yard, jobs etc for Dinner. i.e. Main meal of the day.
    Return to cells and eat it there. There are no choices of meals, contrary to belief. Actually there are two choices. Take it or leave it.

    - 1pm Staff take their dinner break. Skeleton staff aka Dinner Guards on duty.

    - 2pm Unlocked again for work, school, exercise.

    - 4pm Fall in for Tea e.g. Soup and rolls, wedges and chicken, tuna salad.

    - 5pm Staff take a tea break.

    - 5.20pm. Unlocked for Recreation. Inmates play snooker, pool, table tennis, football, cards.

    - 7pm. Fall in. Inmates get hot water and milk for tea and 'Bang Out'.

    - 8pm Night Staff on Duty.


  • #35
    SRFC
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭SRFC


    greenflash wrote: »
    I did some work in the new wing in Portlaoise a few years back and can honestly say It's nicer than most Travelodges I've stayed in.

    Except there is no exit door free to use when you want.


  • #36
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    Ok i will tell you, an old mate of mine is after getting out after 4 years for drug dealing. He is out only 8 months and he was caught with another load of drugs. I taught he would be gutted. Guess what hes not. He looks on it the way it is on the OP.


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lapin wrote: »
    Go for it OP.

    You seem to be forgetting one thing though.

    In order to be sent to prison you need to be found guilty of a crime.

    And as there is no such thing as a victimless crime you will also have plenty of time to think about that when you're locked up.

    A conscience if free too.

    And unlike your claim that prisoners have a choice of breakfast (ie take it or leave it), a clean conscience is something far more valuable.

    If you can live with the knowledge that you have you have been unjust to others, then the cells of Mountjoy and Portlaoise are all yours.

    Just so you know. I've dealt with prisoners who are in for non payment of fines relating to TV Licenses and parking on double yellow lines. I wouldn't class those people as 'without conscience'. Probably as victimless as it gets if OP wants to go that route ;)


  • #38
    MaroonAndGreen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭MaroonAndGreen


    Suppose if you are homeless and hungry... then its a pretty good idea!


  • #39
    greenflash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭greenflash


    SRFC wrote: »

    Except there is no exit door free to use when you want.

    Hotel California was a Travelodge?


  • #40
    SRFC
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,132 ✭✭✭SRFC


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I work in a well known Dublin Prison. I've posted similar to this before but here's a real insight into daily life inside for an inmate.


    - 8.10am Called and offered breakfast. (Cereal and Tea)
    They collect it from a servery and go back to their cells to eat it. There is no Dining Hall like in movies.

    - 9.15am Unlocked for workshops, school or jobs. All other inmates go to the exercise yard. If they 'stay back', they are declared sick in cell and must remain there for the day.

    - 12pm Fall in from yard, jobs etc for Dinner. i.e. Main meal of the day.
    Return to cells and eat it there. There are no choices of meals, contrary to belief. Actually there are two choices. Take it or leave it.

    - 1pm Staff take their dinner break. Skeleton staff aka Dinner Guards on duty.

    - 2pm Unlocked again for work, school, exercise.

    - 4pm Fall in for Tea e.g. Soup and rolls, wedges and chicken, tuna salad.

    - 5pm Staff take a tea break.

    - 5.20pm. Unlocked for Recreation. Inmates play snooker, pool, table tennis, football, cards.

    - 7pm. Fall in. Inmates get hot water and milk for tea and 'Bang Out'.

    - 8pm Night Staff on Duty.


    Sounds like a nice holiday alright as some people like to call it




    add in the ****ing in a bucket at night,dangerous inmates trying to gain control of the landings and weaker prisoners with no back up forced to hold phones ect ect


    Stress free is prison life id rather live on the streets than in Mountjoy prison.


  • #41
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    celticcrash wrote: »
    I think I will Pack it in, the hole lot, job family mortgage bills pressure stress and the two week holidays to distress from the other 50 weeks in the year.
    What will I get if I break the law?
    A prison sentence as punishment not for punishment
    +free 24 hours heating - Your alternative option being????
    +free electricity - Your alternative option being????
    +free doctor who can be seen daily - Your alternative option being????
    +free perscriptions - Your alternative option being????
    +free dentistry - Where I work he's in once a fortnight and you pray that you're lucky enough to get called!
    +free a choice of breakfast - That's true actually, you can take it or leave it!!
    +free a choice of dinner - As above
    +free a choice of lunch or tea - ????? WTF
    +free a prison officer visits cell and takes order for shops, also prison officer delivers my goods into my hand. - Again, where I work this is true - if you're in isolation, on medical obs or on punishment!!
    +free bed sheets cleaned once a week for me - By other prisoners in the Prison Laundry :-)
    +free gym membership - If you're one of the first 20 to the door. No swimming pools or saunas though. Sorry about that..
    +free hospital bed - ?????? If you're in Hospital, I would presume so, yes.
    +free alot more that I have not taught of.

    Prisoners in Portloise prison and other category A prisoners around the country can sent out for takeaways each evening and have them delivered
    to their cells. :eek:

    Our ratio for prison officer/prisoner in Ireland is 1/1
    In the USA its 1/50 Whoops... makey uppy numbers!!!
    Yes thats right 50 times more prison officers in Ireland and very highly paid at that. Waaay overpaid. I'm promoted, work on the 'floor', dealing with all sorts of crap, in the job 'more than 10 but less than 20' years and take home less than 2 thirds of what my next door neighbour less than 10 years bus driver takes home. Not a problem, but don't tell me that I'm very highly paid!!
    Their official name is prison officer but their duty is more carer, that panders to the prisoners needs. Admittedly some times it feels like that, but that's down to rules and regulations. Not the fault of the Officers. You should be there some time when the schwitt hits the fan though and you'll see how 'caring' they can be!!

    Yes prison seems to be a viable lifestyle choice.
    28064212 wrote: »
    That's total bullshit. At the end of 2010 there were 3,522 staff in the Irish Prison Service, including civilian grades and headquarters staff. The overall daily average number of prisoners in custody in 2010 was 4,290
    mickdw wrote: »
    Well based on those figures, its hardly total bull****. 1.2 to 1 roughly is still a disgrace.

    Those numbers have shrunk considerably since then (2010) Don't have up to date figures but there's been an embargo on recruitment and a raft of retirements - in particular up to last Februarys 'cut-off' date. This is also based on overall staff numbers as mentioned earlier. This includes admin staff, escort staff, search unit staff, Governors, clerks, kitchen and workshop staff. It's also 24/7 so there's back to back rosters (which straight away cuts each days average in half!!) as well as having nights and sometimes we take a few days holidays :)
    When we're actually unlocking the landings at any stage the numbers of staff on the landings to numbers of prisoners on the landings ratio is nowhere near that!!! I'd love to give you an idea but I don't think that it's appropriate on here.



    Regarding the OPs 'makey uppy' numbers : (USA Figures..)
    Inmate-to-staff ratios

    Between 2000 and 2005, the number of inmates incarcerated in
    state and federal facilities rose 10%, nearly 3 times faster
    than the number of employees (up 3%) working in state and
    federal facilities. The largest increase in inmate-to-staff
    ratios occurred among federal facilities, from 3.4 to 1 in
    2000 to 4.9 in 2005 (table 5). The largest increases in
    inmate-to-staff ratios among facilities under state authority
    occurred in Oklahoma, Arizona, and South Carolina (appendix
    table 14). Among the few jurisdictions that reported a
    decrease in their inmate-to-staff ratio during this period,
    North Dakota reported the largest decrease, from 3.1 in 2000
    to 2.3 in 2005.

    Nationwide, the ratio of inmates-to-correctional officers
    increased from 4.8 to 1 in 2000 to 5.1 in 2005.     In both
    federal prisons (10.3) and in facilities in Alabama (9.3),
    the ratio of inmates-to-correctional officers was about twice
    the national average.

    The ratio of inmates-to-staff in community-based facilities
    was 3.5 to 1 in 2005, down from 3.8 five years earlier.
    Facilities in Alabama (8.1) had the highest ratio of
    inmates-to-staff; South Dakota (1.6) had the lowest.
    3

    From this report : http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/csfcf05.txt


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  • #42
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    Theres many people in this country in a financial prison.
    Theres many people in this country in a mental prison.


  • #43
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    celticcrash wrote: »
    Theres many people in this country in a financial prison.
    Theres many people in this country in a mental prison.

    Are you just quoting fortune cookies now?


  • #44
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    celticcrash wrote: »
    +free 24 hours heating
    +free electricity
    +free doctor who can be seen daily.
    +free perscriptions
    +free dentistry
    +free a choice of breakfast
    +free a choice of dinner
    +free a choice of lunch or tea
    +free a prison officer visits cell and takes order for shops, also prison officer delivers my goods into my hand.
    +free bed sheets cleaned once a week for me
    +free gym membership
    +free hospital bed
    +free alot more that I have not taught of.
    I spent a day in Wheatfield last year. Not for a crime or misdeameanour. Invited to visit the arts exhibition. You forgot to include +free arts.

    To tell the truth, even only spending six hours there, I have never felt so claustrophobic and trapped in my life. You might as well add +free lollipops. A sh1ttier place to be stuck in I can not imagine. Horrible place. No sky, no holiday.


  • #45
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    I changed my mind, I dont want to go to prison anymore.
    Because twowheelonly would be there and he would get me for whistleblowing on his easy highly overpaid job.


  • #46
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Do they cater for vegetarians does anyone know?

    OP just buy a telly without getting a licence if you want to get inside for research purposes


  • #47
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Do they cater for vegetarians does anyone know?

    OP just buy a telly without getting a licence if you want to get inside for research purposes
    Yes they cater for veggies. religious diets and any health diet.
    I could not do that to pour RTE my conscience would not allow me.


  • #48
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Would you ever feck off and go to prison if it is so fantastic


  • #49
    0066ad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭0066ad


    WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »
    Your list left out:
    lack of liberty
    Using a bucket as a toilet in the same cell you share with 1/2/3/4/5+ others,in the same small space in which you eat.
    No say in how you day/wee/month/year is organized
    No say in what ypu eat
    No say in what work you do, regardless of your skills, experience,qualifications.
    No sex, no holding your wife and kissing her.
    No holding your kids in your arms.
    No writing or recieving a letter uncensored
    No internet

    where did you get your info, perhaps it was at "Ignorant and bored trolls .com?


    Where did you get your info, watching shaw dank redemption :pac:


  • #50
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    TO twowheelsonly

    Prisoners in Portloise prison and other category A prisoners around the country can sent out for takeaways each evening and have them delivered
    to their cells.

    Is this pub talk.
    Tell the truth now.


  • #51
    JonEBGud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭JonEBGud


    celticcrash wrote: »
    I think I will Pack it in, the hole lot, job family mortgage bills pressure stress and the two week holidays to distress from the other 50 weeks in the year.
    What will I get if I break the law?
    A prison sentence as punishment not for punishment
    +free 24 hours heating
    +free electricity
    +free doctor who can be seen daily.
    +free perscriptions
    +free dentistry
    +free a choice of breakfast
    +free a choice of dinner
    +free a choice of lunch or tea
    +free a prison officer visits cell and takes order for shops, also prison officer delivers my goods into my hand.
    +free bed sheets cleaned once a week for me
    +free gym membership
    +free hospital bed
    +free alot more that I have not taught of.

    Prisoners in Portloise prison and other category A prisoners around the country can sent out for takeaways each evening and have them delivered
    to their cells.

    Our ratio for prison officer/prisoner in Ireland is 1/1
    In the USA its 1/50
    Yes thats right 50 times more prison officers in Ireland and very highly paid at that.
    Their official name is prison officer but their duty is more carer, that panders to the prisoners needs.

    Yes prison seems to be a viable lifestyle choice.

    How can I apply for a fortnights accommodation from Feb. 4th. to Feb. 18?
    Need to know, 'cause getting kicked out of bedsit on 3rd. of Feb. and can't get into new flat 'till 19th.


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  • #52
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Looks like it's getting cushier, sounds like a holiday camp alright. Who wouldn't want to get a few days inside? :)



    22 Jan 2013 The times
    Under the regime, additional small privileges have been introduced to encourage better conduct.

    Plum jobs, such as posts in the kitchen – which keep prisoners occupied all day and give them access to more food – have been offered to trustee prisoners.

    They have also been given the new cells in the renovated wings of some prisons.

    They can also be granted additional phone calls to family members, have more contact with visitors and be permitted to have XBox video games to play on the small televisions in all prison cells.

    While all prisoners are entitled to a 95c gratuity each day to pay towards items from the tuck shop, including cigarettes, those who work their way up the incentivised regime can receive €1.75 or €2.25


  • #53
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    The list of free stuff is true.

    Source: brother


  • #54
    Scruffles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Scruffles


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Do they cater for vegetarians does anyone know?

    OP just buy a telly without getting a licence if you want to get inside for research purposes
    dont know about ireland but they do in all prisons over here-they also offer meals for special dietry needs and religeous reasons [eg,halal,kosher].

    anyway,forget this claptrap about losing freedom being the main issue behind staying in prison,what about having a criminal record? surely that woud be worse than anything as it limits a persons life in so many ways once they get out.
    itd make more sense to do voluntary work in a foreign country where they pay for everything or an aupair than to have a limited stay in a prison with very long after effects including likely discrimination.

    plus someone who steals something random from a shop is not going to get jailed for that, especialy not for the first few offenses asuming any fines are paid off.
    in the mean time woud probably be stressing out family with the behavior and may become disowned by them.
    all that for a break in one of the governments finest lag hotels?
    use some sense,lad.


  • #55
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Scruffles wrote: »
    ..................

    plus someone who steals something random from a shop is not going to get jailed for that, especialy not for the first few offenses asuming any fines are paid off.
    in the mean time woud probably be stressing out family with the behavior and may become disowned by them.
    all that for a break in one of the governments finest lag hotels?
    use some sense,lad.

    No need to go stealing anything


  • #56
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    JonEBGud wrote: »
    How can I apply for a fortnights accommodation from Feb. 4th. to Feb. 18?
    Need to know, 'cause getting kicked out of bedsit on 3rd. of Feb. and can't get into new flat 'till 19th.
    On the 4th of feb go down to the courthouse and start shouting at the judge that he is wrong any time he opens his mouth. He will put you to prison for contempt of court but each week you will be brought back to apologise and on around the 19th or 20th just say sorry judge and he will set you free.:D


  • #57
    Ruudi_Mentari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Ruudi_Mentari


    I suspect most nutters who are comfortable with prison as such are from them fundamentally dysfunctional households where they all huddle together against the law so it feels like a recreational hostel they can be around like for like and keep in the loop, maybe keep up appearances these are people comfortable with distrust and dishonesty as common sense and the environment probably keeps them sharp.. much like their shanks

    No half decent person in their right mind would want to be amongst that, 24/7 unease it's not a holiday camp for folk with a consciousness at all so forget that.


  • #58
    JonEBGud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭JonEBGud


    celticcrash wrote: »
    On the 4th of feb go down to the courthouse and start shouting at the judge that he is wrong any time he opens his mouth. He will put you to prison for contempt of court but each week you will be brought back to apologise and on around the 19th or 20th just say sorry judge and he will set you free.:D

    I was only being facetious.
    But there is a lot of people at the moment who would
    be better off in prison than out of work.


  • #59
    JonEBGud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭JonEBGud


    Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »
    I suspect most nutters who are comfortable with prison as such are from them fundamentally dysfunctional households where they all huddle together against the law so it feels like a recreational hostel they can be around like for like and keep in the loop, maybe keep up appearances these are people comfortable with distrust and dishonesty as common sense and the environment probably keeps them sharp.. much like their shanks

    No half decent person in their right mind would want to be amongst that, 24/7 unease it's not a holiday camp for folk with a consciousness at all so forget that.

    If you hadn't worked for the last 4 years and got cut off from the "Job Seekers Allowance" then make that post again. People are feeling this "Austerity".
    Gaol is better than starvation.IMO.


  • #60
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    It’s day one, and I’m in the mess.

    I look around, and I spot the Biggest, Blackest, Mother****er that I can find.
    Everbody’s lookin’ at me, I walk up to him, and I say “What the **** are you lookin’ at?” He says, “Wut?”, I say, “You heard me mother****er, What the **** are you lookin’ at?”
    With that I hit him, BAM! BAM! Right across the ****in’ skull! He goes down - I’m on top of him - Everybody’s around him, he’s getting some shots in, everybody’s going ****ing crazy - the screws, this guy, everybody! MOTHER****ER!


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  • #61
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,794 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    it is not 1:1. I'm a son of a prison officer and throughout my life I have had to deal with my fathers life being threatened and hearing about his friends being stabbed etc in work. I honesly hope no prison oficer gets money docked much more. They do a **** job and deserve what they are paid


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