Croke Park II preliminary Talks started today

tayto lover wrote: »

You cannot compare one item here with its counterpart in Europe and leave it at that.
How do you know dole will be cut?

noodler wrote: »

With inflation returning the last three years it will make the stagnation in dole payment tougher to endure for the unemployed.

It will be seriously brave to cut it. I think they will go for other targets in the welfare budget.

tayto lover wrote: »

Do you agree that 22k is a fair wage for a nurse?
The cuts should be at the top with a lot of managers and administrators positions being scrapped. There are others ways to save money instead of cutting the already poor wages of the frontline PS staff.

frankosw wrote: »

What cuts?


There arent going to be any cuts,the targets are being met and the deficit is coming down..you just have a chip on your shoulder about the PS...for which you've been banned numerous times from this forum.

fliball123 wrote: »

No back about 8 months now got a job offer and missed my kid too much so had to come back

Nope busy moving to Oz thank god my taxes no longer go to bankers, builders, and those in the higher echelons of the public sector both working and retired. Seriously the state Ireland was in was really getting me down and causing a lot of stress...Now I get up in the morning the sun is shining I walk 100 metres and go for a swim with son ...then off to work with a smile...I dont want to be rubbing it in but emigration is agreeing with me for the time being

I paid 20 years in tax...I gave it a go .. it was getting to a point where the money coming in my wage was less than the money going out...The way the gov are doing things I will be fecked for the remainder of my life being fleeced in tax with very little to show for what I am paying in tax and also not being able to afford a pension...Now I could actually have lived with that situation but there was no way I was bringing my 1 y.o son up in the current economic mess that the country is in. I have a lot to say on it and the reason I have so much to say in it is because it has forced me to make the hard decision of moving away from my mother and father one of whom has terminal cancer and could die anytime now..from my brothers and sister and my sons many cousins aswell..And thats not taking into account my wife and her leaving her family or numerous friends....I have made very hard decisions and made them for my son...I would love to live in Ireland again some day but as long as the stalemate continues and as long as the PS in this country think that their over inflated wage/perks and pensions have nothing to do with the mess I will not be back..Now dont get me wrong ..there are other parts of society which I see as unsatisfactory such as the likes of quinn and other bankers ..also the dole and how much we are paying on that...But we are running at a 12billion deficit...The dole has to be cut as does the ps pay..taxes will have to rise aswell...If we could close the 12billion deficit we could turn to the trioka and say feck you we aint paying for the banks but as long as we are getting cash off them they have a gun to our heads forcing us to pay the banks..

Less of the drama..Sorry but through the continued approach of this government of continued taxing I have had to leave Ireland, as firstly it no longer paid me to work there (due to higher tax, household charge, mortgage interest gone up, petrol cost, creche costs) and secondly I would not allow the idea that my 2 y.o kid (and possible his kids) would have to pay back debts racked up by our government in the tax payers name. what are these debts for well banks which only account for about 1/4 of our debt the other 3/4s is due to borrowing..So you will forgive me if I tell you were to put your less of the drama queen comment, as these actions are forcing people who were once prsi contributors to leave as it is no longer possible to function correctly. As for your list of bleeding heart situations for what we are borrowing for..How about we are also borrowing to keep the ps up on an over inflated wage, the retired ps on an over inflated pension, also to leave the elderly pretty much untouched in this sh1tstorm aswell as the unemployed keep them in the poverty trap where it doesn't pay them to work. Your list should also include the allowance of unmarried mothers to have a 3rd and 4th kid and not have to worry about where the money will come from to support these kids as the nanny state will look after them, whilst a hard working couple cant afford their first or second kid with the high costs involved yet they are expected to support the unmarried mother on the dole. Or hows about the unvouched expenses for politicians, or hows about the increments for ps for just length of service, or hows about to keep properties in nama in order to keep the naive idea that the property bubble might get blown up again, or how about the cash that continues to go into a non functioning bank that is Anglo, or how about Bertie ahern still getting a pension after what he has done, or how about the Gaurd who gets a rent allowance or his boot allowance or free parking for the public servants...The list of what the tax payer are on the hook for and more importantly what the gov are borrowing for goes on and on and on and yet you come up with your bleeding heart crap..Give me a break..I don't think anyone even the most hardened would like to see cuts where you have mentioned but once again you miss the whole point if wages/ in the ps and social welfare are not cut the very bleeding heart list you put up will be and the gov have done it just as recently as the last budget...So until there is an acceptance that there is a correlation with borrowing , taxing and spending and that the gov need to be held accountable for what it is overspending on.and if we continue in our current approach there is no hope for Ireland sadly.

Celticfire wrote: »

You state in your posts that you went to Australia with you wife and son



Well for all your BS and your dramatic posts you really didn't last too long away from this kip, did ya? What was it 2 months? and how did you miss your son if he was with you for your morning swims?

fliball123 wrote: »

Yeah thats right but my wife and kid went back to dublin after a few months as they couldnt settle and my wife could not get work. Do I have to go into every element of my private life? Hows about tackling the post and not the poster..

repsol wrote: »

Lot of haters towards the Public Service on here.

Most will either

A)have applied many times unsuccessfully for Gardai ,Fire Brigade etc or not got enough points for nursing or teaching

B)not bothered applying for PS because they were in a better paid job at the time which has now gone pear shaped and are now kicking themselves

C)hate a particular public servant who nicked their wife/girlfriend and view the rest of us getting our pay cut as collateral damage

kceire wrote: »

When posters make up stories to suit their argument, then sometime the poster has to be tackled.