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A 56-year-old British woman has been sentenced to death in Indonesia for drugs

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  • #32
    hollster2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭hollster2


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Not at all.

    Drugs have absolutely ruined modern society with more muggings, burglaries, drug crazed attacks, murders etc.

    I think the death sentence should be introduced in more countries for drug dealing.[/QUOT
    when you say it that way I suppose they took the right approach shell probably end up on death row for the rest of her life, maybe its just a part of me because shes a grandmother but she wast exactly thinking of that will the amount of drugs she had


  • #33
    HowAreWe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭HowAreWe


    It's cool to be merciless on the internet.


  • #34
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Franticfrank wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if we introduced the death penalty for drug smuggling in Ireland?

    We'd execute more people than Texas


  • #35
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Threads merged.


  • #36
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    By accident, I took a small bag of skunk all the way from Perth to Buenos Aires, via Kuala Lumpur. I only found it in my jeans a week later. I wonder what would have happened if I was nicked in Malaysia?


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  • #37
    xwave7000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭xwave7000


    hyperborean wrote: »
    Its a powder and hanging someone for importing it to your country is a neanderthal approach, sort out the customers first. They have to ask themselves why so many people in their country are on drugs?

    You may think the death sentence ()for this tyope of thing)is fine but I dont,

    So you're a racist now then Father???


  • #38
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Would people care less if she was not a grandmother and white?


  • #39
    irishconvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    davet82 wrote: »
    I'm against the death penalty but I can see why people may feel otherwise when it comes to murder or rape, not for this type of crime though

    anyways any sympathy for this woman?

    Why do you consider drug smugling less serious than murder or rape? Do you not realise how many people's lives are destroyed by drugs, how many families are torn apart, how may crimes are comitted by drug addicts, how many people are murdered by drug dealing gangs? People involved in the distribution of class A drugs do an unbelieveable amount of damage to our society. Anyone involved in this business deserves the death penalty.


  • #40
    Da Shins Kelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Surely stuff like this proves that the death penalty is not a deterrent? People know the risks in countries like this and still go ahead and do it.


    And no, I don't think she should be executed.


  • #41
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    hyperborean wrote: »
    She stashed a bag (big as it was) of cocaine and tried to get it past customs. Hardly a fucking hanging offense now?

    Savages is all they are, hanging people for murder or rape is one thing but for a few ks of powder........

    Oh the naivety... think of how many murders, assaults, threats, gang warfare and corruption are behind the drugs trade on a daily basis worldwide.


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  • #42
    death1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭death1234567


    Indonesia - Death penalty for Drug smuggling.
    Ireland - Father pleads guilty to prolonged Incest and rape of his own daughter over a ten year period, walks straight out the door of the court.


  • #43
    irishconvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    HowAreWe wrote: »
    It's cool to be merciless on the internet.

    Are you talking about being merciless to all the victims of drug dealing and drug related crime.


  • #44
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Oh the naivety... think of how many murders, assaults, threats, gang warfare and corruption are behind the drugs trade on a daily basis worldwide.

    Let's not get into a debate, but that's purely down to prohibition. I like to party every now and again, I don't feel any guilt over it though.


  • #45
    hollster2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭hollster2


    snubbleste wrote: »
    OP do you have a comment on this..or do you just copy and paste stuff from newspapers?

    I did comment on this next page i didnt think it was the right thing to decide to sentence the woman but if that there laws

    like I said the part of me thinking of her because shes a grandmother, but she obviously wasnt thinking of that and like a poster said the amount of damage drugs has done on the street made me come back down to earth


  • #46
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Not one comment on her remark that she did it because her kids' lives were in danger?
    Do we know any more about that or should we just ignore it and laugh and point a bit more?


  • #47
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    irishconvert wrote: »
    Why do you consider drug smugling less serious than murder or rape? Do you not realise how many people's lives are destroyed by drugs, how many families are torn apart, how may crimes are comitted by drug addicts, how many people are murdered by drug dealing gangs? People involved in the distribution of class A drugs do an unbelieveable amount of damage to our society. Anyone involved in this business deserves the death penalty.

    the woman is just as much a victim here, i agree with point you are trying to make but the type of sentence you are talking about should only be reserved for the big drug barons not desperate stupid people that take a chance


  • #48
    xwave7000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭xwave7000


    death1234567 wrote: »
    Indonesia - Death penalty for Drug smuggling.
    Ireland - Father pleads guilty to prolonged Incest and rape of his own daughter over a ten year period, walks straight out the door of the court.

    That just shows the inherent flaws in our judicial system. Throwing stones and criticising another nation for their laws is hypocritical IMO.


  • #49
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    “I would never have become involved in something like this but the lives of my children were in danger and I felt I had to protect them.”

    I don't get this part, how were the children in danger?


  • #50
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    By accident, I took a small bag of skunk all the way from Perth to Buenos Aires, via Kuala Lumpur. I only found it in my jeans a week later. I wonder what would have happened if I was nicked in Malaysia?

    You would have been arrested and probably convicted. It would have been nobodies fault but your own and I would not have had an ounce of sympathy for you. The laws still apply despite the fact people are idiots.


  • #51
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    You would have been arrested and probably convicted. It would have been nobodies fault but your own and I would not have had an ounce of sympathy for you. The laws still apply despite the fact people are idiots.

    Some laws are made by idiots. I'd really hate to be as black and white as you are. Here check this out you might like it - www.dailymail.co.uk


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  • #52
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    irishconvert wrote: »
    Why do you consider drug smugling less serious than murder or rape? Do you not realise how many people's lives are destroyed by drugs, how many families are torn apart, how may crimes are comitted by drug addicts, how many people are murdered by drug dealing gangs? People involved in the distribution of class A drugs do an unbelieveable amount of damage to our society. Anyone involved in this business deserves the death penalty.
    We've spent far too long talking about the poor victimised drug addicts and the big evil drug pushers.

    If people didn't want drugs, there'd be no market, there'd be no drug smugglers and pushers. For as long as people continue to want drugs, there will continue to be people who supply them. Kill the demand and you kill the supply. Kill the supply and all you do is build the demand, encouraging more people to try their hand at supplying.


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    4.8 kilos of cocaine isn't worth anything near $2.5m :confused:


  • #54
    latenia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭latenia


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    You would have been arrested and probably convicted. It would have been nobodies fault but your own and I would not have had an ounce of sympathy for you. The laws still apply despite the fact people are idiots.

    Wrong. He would have pulled a couple of hundred quid out of his pocket and handed it over the the cop with a wink then continued on his merry way.


  • #55
    xwave7000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭xwave7000


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Some laws are made by idiots. I'd really hate to be as black and white as you are. Here check this out you might like it - www.dailymail.co.uk[/QUOTE]

    It's simple really, like it or not if you had been caught you would have been convicted. Casting things as black and white is relevant, because it makes sense in this case. I'm not going to argue with anyone about another country's laws - they are in place. Nothing you say or do will change that.


  • #56
    mahonykid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭mahonykid


    Indonesia has a very hard line on drug smuggling, its seen in the eyes of the government as a worse crime than murder. The sentence is not very surprising to be honest.
    Chances are she will win an appeal after spending a few years in jail there.


  • #57
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Actually, despite the moral hysteria modern society is much less violent than in the past.

    I'm not sure how you can think that ?
    Maybe I need to set a timeframe... pre-drugs era, say 1950's.
    People could leave their doors unlocked, safe to walk the streets at night, no knife crime, young people were more well behaved.

    Maybe you're thinking of vikings, countries being invaded etc ?
    Franticfrank wrote: »
    I wonder what would happen if we introduced the death penalty for drug smuggling in Ireland?

    I'd have no hesitation in voting yes in a referendum for that, although the EU would have to approve it too.
    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Let's not get into a debate, but that's purely down to prohibition. I like to party every now and again, I don't feel any guilt over it though.

    Maybe you should.

    You're subsidizing these drug dealers.
    While you might be able to handle it, they've no morals to sell drugs to scumbags who will stick a syringe to your throat for €20 or punch one of your female friends in the face for her smartphone.


  • #58
    mahonykid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭mahonykid


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    4.8 kilos of cocaine isn't worth anything near $2.5m :confused:

    I would imagine its quality over quantity


  • #59
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,383 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    HowAreWe wrote: »
    It's cool to be merciless on the internet.

    I would have said words of a similar nature while discussing the matter amongst my peers over a spot of sherry.

    The internet being the chosen medium by me to provide my earlier commentary is of no relevance to the views which I expressed.


  • #60
    Anyone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Anyone


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Some laws are made by idiots. I'd really hate to be as black and white as you are. Here check this out you might like it - www.dailymail.co.uk


    If you cant respect another countries laws I'd suggest you stay where you are and not travel.


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  • #61
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    Surely stuff like this proves that the death penalty is not a deterrent? People know the risks in countries like this and still go ahead and do it.

    I rarely bother pointing out the blindingly obvious, but stuff like this proves nothing. How many people didn't accept requests to smuggle drugs last year because of the risk of such harsh punishments?
    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Some laws are made by idiots. I'd really hate to be as black and white as you are. Here check this out you might like it - www.dailymail.co.uk

    You are the guy who didn't check his belongings before entering a region notorious for being incredibly harsh on drug smugglers. I'm not placing much weight on your opinion here to be honest.


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