Moore St - a battlefield site?

MadsL · 21-01-2013 05:39PM #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR-zYpORGgw

It looks like Chartered Land may end up being handed back to the State. I'm sadly skeptical of the State's ability to run this as a museum...some campaigners are calling for the entire site to be preserved to provide context for the museum - for examples the yards at Moore Lane.

Do we preserve as much as possible or demolish and allow the shopping centre as planned?

Nodin · 21-01-2013 05:41PM

I think we've enough shopping centres.

smash · 21-01-2013 05:41PM

Moore st is a kip.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 21-01-2013 05:42PM

Feck the shopping centre, we have an abundance of them. Destroying a historical site for the purpose of greed and money.

Sleepy · 21-01-2013 05:43PM

Unless it can be turned into a self-sustaining, independent, museum that isn't a horrendous eye-sore, demolish it imho.

latenia · 21-01-2013 05:48PM

It's just a pile of bricks of little significance apart from a group of men sitting in it for a few hours 90 years ago. I'm not too bothered about its demolition and I don't think they would be either...

AnonoBoy · 21-01-2013 05:48PM

Oh definitely hand it over to developers. They've done such a great job so far of not f*cking up the country.

/sarcasm.

MadsL · 21-01-2013 05:49PM

Sleepy wrote: »

Unless it can be turned into a self-sustaining, independent, museum that isn't a horrendous eye-sore, demolish it imho.

Museums have to pay their way?

Wow.

Dont be at yourself · 21-01-2013 05:50PM

I love Moore Street. Would be a travesty to destroy it for a shopping centre. The multi-cultural, working class flavour should be preserved as much as possible -- give the market traders more space and better facilities.

stoneill · 21-01-2013 05:53PM

smash wrote: »

Moore st is a kip.

Moore street was allowed to fall into a state of disrepair by property owners looking to cash in on a "super shopping experience, right in the heart of Dublin"
You only have to look at the amount of redundant 2008/2009 planning permission notices still attached to every building along Moore Street and Moore Lane to see that.

21-01-2013 05:55PM

Yeah i think Moore street should be kept the same, its one of the last places were you can find old Dublin. It would be nice to know 500 years from now it is kept the same and people are still selling fruit there.

MadsL · 21-01-2013 05:55PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Oh definitely hand it over to developers. They've done such a great job so far of not f*cking up the country.

/sarcasm.

The Developers own it. Under some pretty dodgy sets of circumstances too.

I would urge you to watch the TG4 documentary on it. Nothing short of a National disgrace...very little said about the alleged corruption within DCC since either..

http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html?id=1908363069001&title=Anamnocht

smash · 21-01-2013 05:55PM

stoneill wrote: »

You only have to look at the amount of redundant 2008/2009 planning permission notices still attached to every building along Moore Street and Moore Lane to see that.

I must have missed them... I was blinded by 2nd hand mobile phone shops and ethnic hair salons.

stoneill · 21-01-2013 05:58PM

smash wrote: »

I must have missed them... I was blinded by 2nd hand mobile phone shops and ethnic hair salons.

Depends on what your looking for in life I suppose.

smash · 21-01-2013 06:03PM

stoneill wrote: »

Depends on what your looking for in life I suppose.

An old Nokia 3310 and a killer braid obviously.

MaxSteele · 21-01-2013 06:08PM

Preserve the actual building which was occupied during the rising, but other than that, Moore street is just a kip really.

A few fruit stalls and lines of long shut businesses. Place is turning into little Africa in that underground mall thing. Won't be anything nostalgic or "working class" about in a few years. Shame really.

Gummy Panda · 21-01-2013 06:10PM

Preserve Moore st?

Doesn't look like there is much to preserve. The buildings are in bits, its full of shítty second hand phone shops and ethnic hairdressers.

AnonoBoy · 21-01-2013 06:12PM

MadsL wrote: »

The Developers own it. Under some pretty dodgy sets of circumstances too.

I would urge you to watch the TG4 documentary on it. Nothing short of a National disgrace...very little said about the alleged corruption within DCC since either..

http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player/tg4-player.html?id=1908363069001&title=Anamnocht

I've seen it. A guy I know worked on that and said there's a lot of shady stuff that didn't go in that doc because of the legal implications!

MadsL · 21-01-2013 06:15PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

Preserve the actual building which was occupied during the rising, but other than that, Moore street is just a kip really.

A few fruit stalls and lines of long shut businesses. Place is turning into little Africa in that underground mall thing. Won't be anything nostalgic or "working class" about in a few years. Shame really.

It was the whole terrace that was occupied.

Area is shabby because developers who want sites to 'regenerate' without argument allow buildings to fall into disrepair so that the area is thought of as a 'kip' and better to allow your 'master-vision' for the area Mr Developer.

DCC even handed over some sites to the developer without a tender process.

GRMA · 21-01-2013 06:17PM

Developer got the land via the worst elements of the FF celtic tiger era, bribes, backhanders and illegality.

Of course it should be preserved, in any other country this wouldnt even be up for debate

MadsL · 21-01-2013 06:19PM

Alternative proposal from some of the relatives...

http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com/Fine_Gael/Moore_Historic_Tour/Moore_St_Plan.1.jpg

http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com/Fine_Gael/Moore_Historic_Tour/Moore_Street.html

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 21-01-2013 06:20PM

I'd personally prefer if it was preserved. It was part of a movement which ultimately gave us our own country. It should be kept not just destroyed.

WoollyRedHat · 21-01-2013 06:23PM

Where would we buy bananas from?

LivelineDipso · 21-01-2013 06:27PM

Wood Quay all over again.

Lampposts and piano wire is the only way we'll restore democracy in Ireland.

maxfresh · 21-01-2013 06:31PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Where would we buy bananas from?

and black market ciggies

Stimpyone · 21-01-2013 06:38PM

It was always my understanding that the group of lads retreating from the GPO where usinging explosives to move undercover from house the house along Moore Street.

Roughly half way along they ran out of explosives and surrended. Hardly the Alamo!!

IMO we've enough monuments to our violent past.

wolfpawnat · 21-01-2013 06:41PM

According to the Save Moore Street Campaign, they have philanthropists ready with €12million to pump straight into it if they were to be given the site. In true developer style, the site was left go completely derelict looking so that people would not object to its demolition of the site.

People are unaware of the significance of the whole Moore Street area in the fight for Irish Independence in the Easter rising. It was where the O'Rahilly died, where Connolly waited in agony with a bullet after shattering his ankle and where Pearse witnessed the brutal murder of a butcher, his wife and two children by British forces as they waved a white flag to be allowed out of the street, that incident was one of the main reasons he offered their surrender.

It deserves to be treated as it would be in the rest of Europe or in America. All major sites from the War of American Independence are cherished. We are being told they will fund it themselves, that the tax paying public need not be involved, it is NAMA'd now so nothing is going to happen there only for it to go into further decay.

MadsL · 21-01-2013 06:43PM

Stimpyone wrote: »

IMO we've enough monuments to our violent past.

Which nation has monuments to its non-violent past? Apart from perhaps India.

AnonoBoy · 21-01-2013 06:48PM

MadsL wrote: »

Which nation has monuments to its non-violent past? Apart from perhaps India.

Andorra.

Just a load of hacky-sacks and rizla papers.

Bunch of hippies.

Ray Palmer · 21-01-2013 06:49PM

There is really nothing worth saving. There was nothing to save in the 70s so it is not to do with landlords letting it go into disrepair.
The reason it is is like that is due to some notion of preservation that never materialised. Move along as the leaders of the rising would no doubt want. The street traders will not last long anyway. They aren't passing it on down the family as their children don't want to do it. Ireland has moved on a vocal minority should not hold us back.

Sir Gallagher · 21-01-2013 06:54PM

I love Moore Street, always make sure to pass through it when i'm walking from the northside of town to the southside. It's crumbling but i love the feel of the street, warts and all. The African and Asian shops have added another dimension to it, there's an old world grittiness to it. Artisan markets and trendy little streets with little cafes and uber trendy vintage clothes shops can go and get fcked with their sanitised culture imo. Give me Moore Street any day of the week.

Moore St - a battlefield site?

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