At Least 25,000 Attend Anti-Abortion Vigil

dvpower wrote: »

There isn't a chance in hell that 29pct of the Irish people would support abortion on demand at full term.

I think we can assume that people answering that polling question were assuming some kind time limit restriction.

Possibly, but making assumptions abouit what people really meant when answering a poll question is obviously very dangerous as we will all assume that they meant to say something fairly closely in line with our own beliefs.

padd b1975 wrote: »

I hope you are not trying to infer that people who practice a certain religion should be excluded from holding public office.

Wow.

:rolleyes:

padd b1975 wrote: »

I hope you are not trying to infer that people who practice a certain religion should be excluded from holding public office.

Wow.

Of course not, people are free to practice whatever religion they choose. However that chosen religion should never, ever be a factor in their job unless they are an appointed representative of that religion.

padd b1975 wrote: »

I hope you are not trying to infer that people who practice a certain religion should be excluded from holding public office.

Wow.

I have never seen such a "clutching at straws" like this in many a year!

robman60 wrote: »

I've never understood this continuous association between religion and pro-life beliefs.

Recognising the right to life and knowing what feels right and what feels wrong is not linked with religiosity. Also, these statements saying all pro-life people are old angry religious folk is just a plain lie. I'm 17 and pretty indifferent to religion. My pro life views come from a basic inherent belief that ending another human life is wrong.

Not uncommon to have very black and white views on many very complex issues in late adolescence either. Most people's views change more than a little when they realise that what they originally saw as black and white actually included a great many shades of grey. You've plenty of time.

PC CDROM wrote: »

Harsh calling them names.

They are entitled to their opinion and have as much right to try and "steer" this country as they see fit.

Regardless whether I think it is right or wrong.

Youth Defence were involved. The title "Gobshíte" might apply to quite a few of them.

I'm not interested in getting into the tit-for-tat discussion beloved of many of the regular posters on this topic, but I do think that many on the pro-choice side are very wide of the mark in their belief that it is mostly religious people who are on the opposing side.

I think they are really underestimating the views of many in the country. The aggressive nature of many of this group means that often the only ones willing to bother debating with them are the equally foaming at the mouth religious nuts - but to assume that they are representative of the majority of those who disagree with them is wrong.

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I'm not interested in getting into the tit-for-tat discussion beloved of many of the regular posters on this topic, but I do think that many on the pro-choice side are very wide of the mark in their belief that it is mostly religious people who are on the opposing side.

I think they are really underestimating the views of many in the country. The aggressive nature of many of this group means that often the only ones willing to bother debating with them are the equally foaming at the mouth religious nuts - but to assume that they are representative of the majority of those who disagree with them is wrong.

I dont think it is. Of those I know who oppose abortion the vast vast majority take their cue from the church and not from any moral investigation of their own. Thats not to say everyone is like that but you cant discount the religious element and claim is reason vs reason.

dvpower wrote: »

I've never ever met a person that would support the right of a woman to get an abortion, at full term, because she decided she didn't want to have the child.

What you are saying is that this position is closely in line with the beliefs of 29pct of people. That is a ridiculous assertion and you must have had to suspend common sense to assert it.

I never said that, or anything like that.

I just pointed out that a full 29% of poll respondants were in favour of abortion on demand. They were not asked what they thought the cut-off should be so speculating about what they meant by their responses is pointless.

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Let's fact reality here, the turnout was fairly spectacular while 100 Pro-Choice folks held a counter demonstration shows that abortion in Ireland will remain a choice between Aer Lingus and Ryanair for decades to come.

I am Pro-Choice myself, and it seems so are most posters on here. However, the prediction from some here that a handful of holy rollers would show up demonstrates how people on the net really are not representative of the general population.

Ireland is foreign place in many ways.

Although I think that legislating for the X-Case should go ahead, I do think it's great that 25,000 people in this country think that human life is worth defending and vindicating from abortion-by-choice.

I think that's hugely encouraging, and I think it puts Ireland in a great place as a country that really cares about the human rights of all people including the unborn.

The pro-choice argument is just incredibly poor and weak in examination of the embryology that takes place at conception and after this point.

robman60 wrote: »

I find that insulting frankly. While I'm aware that people's views change, that's mainly due to ignorance regarding facts/having an opinion in order to conform originally.

I've heard the argument from both sides, and only one seems right to me.

People generally acquire more information and facts with time, not fewer, unless they wilfully ignore opportunities to learn or simply choose to reject facts they don't like.

I wish the pro life campaigners put their efforts into educating young girls about safe sex, a lot of Irish women already have abortions, just because they have to go abroad doesn't mean that it's not uncommon.
I know most of them don't want to encourage sex before marriage but if they cared so much for the innocent lives (as they see it) surely condoms are the lesser of two evils.