Restaurant bans children...

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:35AM

spookwoman wrote: »

I don't mind you coming in I do mind if your kid starts screaming, throwing tantrums, and running around.

So would I!!! But you sound like you'd give me bad looks just coming in the door and ruining my day before I'd have a chance to show you how almost inexistant my child is.

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 12:40AM

lounakin wrote: »

All those meet-ups are really far from where I live, and I shouldn't have to only go where other kids are. I'm sorry but sometimes I go to my fav place with the baby. If there's no room for a buggy, I don't take it.
Not sure why I'm responding to you, perhaps your comment was too hurtful to let go. I also don't know why are argue: no one's going to change, there's always going to be obnoxious kids in restaurants just like there will be obnoxious people who talk loud, who insult you, unpleasant, rude waiters etc.

Didn't you realise, children are just not human, that they have no rights and its for people that don't have children to decide where they are allowed to go. How dare you have a buggy and not carry your children on your back. Didn't you know the type of trauma you can cause by having a buggy in a coffee shop - you should be publically flogged.

According to half the people in this thread, every parents has screaming brats who don't behave themselves, our little darlings. None of us care one little bit about others feelings, we all let our kids run riot. Next time I go out, I'll think I'll give my 2 a couple of litres of coca cola and let them run around like lunatics, have to live up to what people think after all.

ilovesleep · 20-01-2013 12:42AM

I don't know about that ban. I'm in two minds about it.

It's a form of discrimination and it's tarring all kids with the one brush that they're all bold brats and it's tarring all parents too with the one brush as if they're lazy.

On the other hand I was in a shop today and I almost stepped on a child's fingers. The kid of about 4 or 5 came out from no where crawling around on the floor on her hands and knees and her mother looked at me as if to say what the **** was I doing?

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:46AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Didn't you realise, children are just not human, that they have no rights and its for people that don't have children to decide where they are allowed to go. How dare you have a buggy and not carry your children on your back. Didn't you know the type of trauma you can cause by having a buggy in a coffee shop - you should be publically flogged.

According to half the people in this thread, every parents has screaming brats who don't behave themselves, our little darlings. None of us care one little bit about others feelings, we all let our kids run riot. Next time I go out, I'll think I'll give my 2 a couple of litres of coca cola and let them run around like lunatics, have to live up to what people think after all.

Why did you answer me we're saying the same thing?

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 12:47AM

lounakin wrote: »

Why did you answer me we're saying the same thing?

A touch of sarcasm on my part. I could hardly say we flog the kiddy haters

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:50AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

A touch of sarcasm on my part. I could hardly say we flog the kiddy haters

I realise your post was sarcastic but I thought you were quoting me as a person who wants to ban kids from restaurants!

Anyway, the point of the story that sparked this whole thread is that woman was judged before anything happened, and that's wrong. It's a restaurant, not a porn and beer S&M drug shop.

imitation · 20-01-2013 12:53AM

Feathers wrote: »

Surely as a business owner, I know this scenario is going to happen. So if I'm the only restaurant for ten miles around, I'm unlikely to do this. More likely, I own a restaurant surrounded by lots of others & I'm struggling to survive — if people are being more careful with their money & what they spend it on when they treat themselves, guaranteeing them a relaxing quiet atmosphere might give me the edge in a crowded market.
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I think it goes further than that too for an owner.

Take a couple its a case of Starter, main, dessert, coffee boom done, give the table a wipe, next please.

Couple/Small family, the above plus a some hot water for a bottle for the child or maybe some mashed food in a bowl, and a high chair, which is probably in use somewhere else so the waiter has to check out where it is or go some long winded trip to find another. Finally in some cases you have food every where so factor in wiping down the high chair, cleaning under the table. It thats going to tie up a waiter for much more time..

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 12:53AM

lounakin wrote: »

I realise your post was sarcastic but I thought you were quoting me as a person who wants to ban kids from restaurants!

Anyway, the point of the story that sparked this whole thread is that woman was judged before anything happened, and that's wrong. It's a restaurant, not a porn and beer S&M drug shop.

Believe me I agree with you. I've read the back story, guess a mother with a new born can cause a lot of noise and disruption to someone who is on their lunch break comparing stories about who got more ****faced at the weekend.

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 12:56AM

imitation wrote: »

I think it goes further than that too for an owner.

Take a couple its a case of Starter, main, dessert, coffee boom done, give the table a wipe, next please.

Couple/Small family, the above plus a some hot water for a bottle for the child or maybe some mashed food in a bowl, and a high chair, which is probably in use somewhere else so the waiter has to check out where it is or go some long winded trip to find another. Finally in some cases you have food every where so factor in wiping down the high chair, cleaning under the table. It thats going to tie up a waiter for much more time..

And you have worked in the service industry? You think only children make a mess? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 12:58AM

There are going to be good parents with quiet kids and there will be the spawns of Satan. Management are not going to know what they are on looks so should have the right to ban all if they want. If parents don't like it go eat somewhere else no one is forcing you to go there.

lounakin wrote: »

So would I!!! But you sound like you'd give me bad looks just coming in the door and ruining my day before I'd have a chance to show you how almost inexistant my child is.

You sound like the world is out to get you.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 12:59AM

So true! I worked in a up scale ballsbridge restaurant in my college days and we had to take turns checking if there were people passed out drunk in the bathroom... no kids there! Also I've never met anyone who brings their kid to a restaurant and doesn't have their own food for them.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 01:01AM

spookwoman wrote: »

There are going to be good parents with quiet kids and there will be the spawns of Satan. Management are not going to know what they are on looks so should have the right to ban all if they want. If parents don't like it go eat somewhere else no one is forcing you to go there.

You sound like the world is out to get you.

Well you're saying places should ban kids so yeah...
What's wrong with asking people to leave if they're creating havoc?
Ok so they should have it on their door so we know to stay away and not be rejected. And why stop there? Why not ban other annoying people judging them on their looks so we can refuse them at the door?

end of the road · 20-01-2013 01:03AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

How dare you have a buggy and not carry your children on your back

a proper size buggy isn't a problem, a buggy the size of a locomotive (which most of them are that size these days) is a problem, such monstrosities should be banned

1hnr79jr65 · 20-01-2013 01:04AM

I understand the owner is not the nicest of people from what i've been told but I would fully support such a ban. Many a time have i been in a restaurant with my girlfriend tryin to enjoy a meal when kids running around uncotrolled causing lots of noice, throwing food and just generally being a pain in the arse.

Once I had the misfortune of a child around 6 years old throwing a glass filled with coke at me, I went over to the mother of said child an looked for an apology and to quieten her child down to which she refused as the child "was only having a bit of fun" so in return i took her coke and poured if over her and her dinner and she whinged how inapporpriate it was to which she got the same response.

Maybe next time she will reflect on that situation, i feel sorry for folks working in restaurants and bars who have to put up with that crap on a daily basis making an already stresful job more aggrevated by useless parents. As for the breastfeeding thing, ive no objection to a mother doing what is only natural in public, but again the noise frm a baby is an issue for me.

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 01:09AM

end of the road wrote: »

a proper size buggy isn't a problem, a buggy the size of a locomotive (which most of them are that size these days) is a problem, such monstrosities should be banned

Granted large buggies can be a problem when entering a restaurant, but a buggy just isn't for carrying the kid, you wouldn't believe the amount of stuff a buggy can save you having to carry.

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 01:11AM

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

I understand the owner is not the nicest of people from what i've been told but I would fully support such a ban. Many a time have i been in a restaurant with my girlfriend tryin to enjoy a meal when kids running around uncotrolled causing lots of noice, throwing food and just generally being a pain in the arse.

Once I had the misfortune of a child around 6 years old throwing a glass filled with coke at me, I went over to the mother of said child an looked for an apology and to quieten her child down to which she refused as the child "was only having a bit of fun" so in return i took her coke and poured if over her and her dinner and she whinged how inapporpriate it was to which she got the same response.

Maybe next time she will reflect on that situation, i feel sorry for folks working in restaurants and bars who have to put up with that crap on a daily basis making an already stresful job more aggrevated by useless parents. As for the breastfeeding thing, ive no objection to a mother doing what is only natural in public, but again the noise frm a baby is an issue for me.

Lol, would have liked to see the look on her face.

That aside, adults are more than capable of misbehaving as well.

HondaSami · 20-01-2013 01:12AM

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Once I had the misfortune of a child around 6 years old throwing a glass filled with coke at me, I went over to the mother of said child an looked for an apology and to quieten her child down to which she refused as the child "was only having a bit of fun" so in return i took her coke and poured if over her and her dinner and she whinged how inapporpriate it was to which she got the same response.

Did you really do this?

I have no problem with kids in restaurants as long as they are mannerly, not necessarily quiet but not screaming the place down either.
Kids are unpredictable and can get bored easily, parents should bring something to entertain them while they eat.

imitation · 20-01-2013 01:14AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

And you have worked in the service industry? You think only children make a mess? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Whats so wrong with what I said ? :rolleyes: I didn't state adults don't make a mess, on average a child is going to make more of a mess than an adult, can't deny that.

Don't need to work in the service industry to see some poor waiter trying to hunt down a high chair, or to see little Timmy flicking some pasta under a couch.

1hnr79jr65 · 20-01-2013 01:18AM

HondaSami wrote: »

Did you really do this?

I have no problem with kids in restaurants as long as they are mannerly, not necessarily quiet but not screaming the place down either.
Kids are unpredictable and can get bored easily, parents should bring something to entertain them while they eat.

Yes i certainly did, it was obvious this mother didnt give a damn about myself or any other folks who had been in restaurant at time. She is lucky i didnt throw the glass at her like had been done to me by her child.

Sad reality is the mother needed more life coaching than the child to understand why the issue was wrong. Its embarrassing i had to go to such lengths but a lesson well deserved.

Kids being bored is no excuse, if the same kids were running wild at home which parents were cooking a large meal for guests they would be put to own room so less trouble they could cause as dealing with a cooker and utensils which harm could be caused on top of aggrevation. So why should they be allowed to get away with any different in a restaurant.

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 01:19AM

imitation wrote: »

Whats so wrong with what I said ? :rolleyes: I didn't state adults don't make a mess, on average a child is going to make more of a mess than an adult, can't deny that.

Don't need to work in the service industry to see some poor waiter trying to hunt down a high chair, or to see little Timmy flicking some pasta under a couch.

So lifting the high chair over to a table makes a waiter go above and beyond the call of duty....! In that case put me down for the Nobel peace prize.

I've happily cleaned up after the children, on the other hand, I've contemplated counselling after what I've cleaned up after "adults".

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 01:20AM

lounakin wrote: »

Well you're saying places should ban kids so yeah...
What's wrong with asking people to leave if they're creating havoc?
Ok so they should have it on their door so we know to stay away and not be rejected. And why stop there? Why not ban other annoying people judging them on their looks so we can refuse them at the door?

Could ask them to leave but the damage is already done. Have you ever been somewhere where a kid is causing havoc? The enjoyment of the meal is gone and cannot come back. So the ban stops it before it even starts. If they want to put up a sign saying no kids let them. I'm sure you've gone into places and have been told they don't have it. Must be terrible if they don't cater for your every need and whim

lounakin · 20-01-2013 01:25AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Could ask them to leave but the damage is already done. Have you ever been somewhere where a kid is causing havoc? The enjoyment of the meal is gone and cannot come back. So the ban stops it before it even starts. If they want to put up a sign saying no kids let them. I'm sure you've gone into places and have been told they don't have it. Must be terrible to if they don't cater for your every need and whim

I don't understand the last part of your statement: 'they don't have it' what 'it' are you talking about? I take offence at what you say, don't put all parents under the same blanket, I do not expect waiters to cater to more of my whim than anyone else. If a place has a 'no kids' or a 'no buggy" sign at the door, fine, perfect even, I don't care! I don't go in. But I don't want to be discriminated against when I haven't done any harm whatsoever.

imitation · 20-01-2013 01:29AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

So lifting the high chair over to a table makes a waiter go above and beyond the call of duty....! In that case put me down for the Nobel peace prize.

I've happily cleaned up after the children, on the other hand, I've contemplated counselling after what I've cleaned up after "adults".

I'm not debating if the waiter is happy about cleaning up the mess, my point is its extra time consumed, in the case of the OP the ban was on the lunch time busy period, and getting high chairs, cleaning up messes is simply going to make it busier. All of this is relevant, I fail to see how your points are relevant.

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 01:31AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Could ask them to leave but the damage is already done. Have you ever been somewhere where a kid is causing havoc? The enjoyment of the meal is gone and cannot come back. So the ban stops it before it even starts. If they want to put up a sign saying no kids let them. I'm sure you've gone into places and have been told they don't have it. Must be terrible if they don't cater for your every need and whim

Have you ever seen the havoc a adult can cause, and im not talking just a headache!

lounakin · 20-01-2013 01:32AM

imitation wrote: »

I'm not debating if the waiter is happy about cleaning up the mess, my point is its extra time consumed, in the case of the OP the ban was on the lunch time busy period, and getting high chairs, cleaning up messes is simply going to make it busier. All of this is relevant, I fail to see how your points are relevant.

If the restaurant has high chairs it means they accept children and should make time for them! Sometimes people can be very demanding too, returning their meal, asking for special ingredients etc... that's part of the job.

spookwoman · 20-01-2013 01:33AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Have you ever seen the havoc a adult can cause, and im not talking just a headache!

You can ask an adult to leave or call the police if its that bad. With unruly kids try telling some parents and they take it as if the whole world is against them or it's not their fault the kids are just being kids.

lounakin · 20-01-2013 01:35AM

spookwoman wrote: »

You can ask an adult to leave or call the police if its that bad. With unruly kids try telling some parents and they take it as if the whole world is against them or it's not their fault the kids are just being kids.

Yes but by the time the police come the damage is done, the lunch has been ruined...

end of the road · 20-01-2013 01:36AM

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Granted large buggies can be a problem when entering a restaurant, but a buggy just isn't for carrying the kid, you wouldn't believe the amount of stuff a buggy can save you having to carry.

so park the locomotive outside or have it shunted to a siding while in the restaurant, problem solved

HondaSami · 20-01-2013 01:36AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Could ask them to leave but the damage is already done. Have you ever been somewhere where a kid is causing havoc? The enjoyment of the meal is gone and cannot come back. So the ban stops it before it even starts. If they want to put up a sign saying no kids let them. I'm sure you've gone into places and have been told they don't have it. Must be terrible if they don't cater for your every need and whim

I'm not sure banning all kids is fair, what age would you recommend is allowed in?
Not all children misbehave, some are very happy to sit and have their meal, would it not be better to let them in but if there is disruption then ask the parents to take them somewhere else.

StinkyMunkey · 20-01-2013 01:36AM

imitation wrote: »

I'm not debating if the waiter is happy about cleaning up the mess, my point is its extra time consumed, in the case of the OP the ban was on the lunch time busy period, and getting high chairs, cleaning up messes is simply going to make it busier. All of this is relevant, I fail to see how your points are relevant.

Ive over twenty years experience in the service industry. You are talking pure BS if u think a child makes a mess that takes alot of extra time to clean up.

2 Adults sitting at a table are alot more capable of taking up your time to clean thier mess than a little extra wiping up it takes to do after kids sometimes. My experience of parents is they mostly clean up after thier kids.

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