Restaurant bans children...

working fool · 18-01-2013 01:16PM

xLexie wrote: »

Not everybody finds the sound of a screaming child to be cute. Nobody is going to pay to sit somewhere to get a headache. Have no idea why parents bring small kids to restaurants for anyway.

You make it sound like a westlife concert !

IvyTheTerrible · 18-01-2013 01:16PM

Chorcai wrote: »

Working in the trade and honestly, most of my worry is some kid who is running around the place, I'm holding hot food and it might fall on them or someone else. I also don't want to have to see some woman flashing about her tit becaues she is one of these I'll breastfeed in public if I so dam well want... pump it out and use a bottle ffs.

Well I would hope that "Working in the trade" you know that legally a woman can breastfeed whereever she wants. If you try to stop her you can be prosecuted under the anti-discrimination laws.

And as other posters have already said, breastfeeding mums don't "flash their tits" as you put it. I have said it before and I'll say it again, you will see more "tit" on a Saturday night in a nightclub that you will see exposed by anyone breastfeeding.

miss no stars · 18-01-2013 01:17PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I'm more amazed at parents who 'train' their kids to sit down quietly at a restaurant table, without a tv/console in front of them.....

To be honest, I'd be sorry for those kids.

There are plenty of kid friendly restaurants out there.....in Dublin anyway. Captain America, Bobo, many Italian places, Govinda, Cornocopia to name a few.

Out of respect to your kids, and to other diners, parents should (imho) stick to these restaurants.....

Training kids is teaching them the skills they need for life. Like, when you go into a park it's fine to run around, but in a restaurant you're there to enjoy spending time with people, to enjoy the nice food, to chat etc and that when people go to these places, everyone does that and uses indoor voices. You're not there to run around. If you didn't teach kids situation-appropriate behaviour they'd turn into those obnoxious adults who can't behave!

Yes, very often kids are very active. But I've seen plenty of kids sit down and read a book. Nobody's saying a kid sitting at a table with a DS on silent or a colouring book or whatever is a problem and that they should be forced to be still and say nothing. It's the kids whose parents are not controlling them that are the problem. If the child is too hyper to be controlled, don't bring them there. But a lot of parents don't seem to care whether the child can be controlled or not!

CreepingDeath · 18-01-2013 01:17PM

lazygal wrote: »

Nursing mothers are not flashing their tits, no matter how much you might like to think we want to show off stretchmarked breasts leaking milk.

And men urinating in public aren't showing off their penis.
If they urinate directly into a sewer I don't see the problem.

homemadecider · 18-01-2013 01:17PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

If a restaurant is stupid enough to turn away paying customers in this day and age, I can't imagine them staying open much longer...

Jaysus, quite the opposite. I actively avoid restaurants that are full of kids. I enjoy eating out, like having a conversation with my OH over a nice meal and some wine, I do not enjoy this when there are kids running around or crying etc. I will actually go to this place now that I know it's a guaranteed kids-free zone.

IvyTheTerrible · 18-01-2013 01:18PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And men urinating in public aren't showing off their penis.
If they urinate directly into a sewer I don't see the problem.

I cannot believe you are equating pissing in the street with feeding a baby.

18-01-2013 01:19PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Look.......when I make a point.....and someone responds with an answer that really has nothing to do with what I said....

i've read your answer twice but I really dont know what to say to you...

Kids are inclined to do a lot of things, so what?

hoodwinked · 18-01-2013 01:21PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

"kids can be kids"

You said it, not me.

What does that mean.

Kids are naturally active and not inclined to sit in one place for a long period. Its how their bodies and minds work. Thats what they are.

but as parents one of our jobs is to prepare them, like for school for example where they have to sit in one place for a good few hours.

people wrongly assume children want to run and jump everywhere all the time, one thing ive learned from my child is she is just like an adult she has moods/feelings as in sometimes she will feel like running around (days like that we take her to a park or play area if its raining), other days she likes having peace and quiet (and will ask us to turn off the tv or radio so she can have it)

she knows when in a restaurant she is going there to eat dinner, she knows when going to mass its a quiet building where she listens to her uncle.
she knows when in school she has to sit and listen to her teacher.

she knows this because we 'trained' her as you put it, the last thing you need or want is an 18 year old who doesn't know how to behave in public because all their dinners were thrown to them while they watched tv, and their parents let them roam free in child suitable areas and now they are 18 they can go anywhere!

old hippy · 18-01-2013 01:24PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I once saw a white woman with a toddler that was adopted and was Chinese.

I wonder if it'd be considered racist if they banned that baby.

Did you bring that up, just to stir things? Kids can be nuisances in restaurants and pubs but it should be down to the premises whether they allow minors or not?

Zebra3 · 18-01-2013 01:26PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

You're joking, right?

No.

Frank Black · 18-01-2013 01:30PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Personally, I am appalled at the breastfeeding where I want to craze. If you want to feed in public, fine, but move somewhere to discreetly do it.

Interesting.

What appals you about it exactly?

Are you breast-phobic perhaps?

Dodge · 18-01-2013 01:30PM

So far in this thread we've had

breast feeding equated to pissing in the street
a complaint about kids going to funerals
someone think well behaved kids is wrong
and many many examples of people thinking all parents/kids/single people do the exact same thing

Has everybody lost their marbles today?

18-01-2013 01:32PM

Dodge wrote: »

So far in this thread we've had
breast feeding equated to pissing in the street

a complaint about kids going to funerals

someone think well behaved kids is wrong

and many many examples of people thinking all parents/kids/single people do the exact same thing

Has everybody lost their marbles today?

It's Friday and we all have wet feet, do you really expect calm and rational discussion?

old hippy · 18-01-2013 01:34PM

Dodge wrote: »

So far in this thread we've had
breast feeding equated to pissing in the street

a complaint about kids going to funerals

someone think well behaved kids is wrong

and many many examples of people thinking all parents/kids/single people do the exact same thing

Has everybody lost their marbles today?

"Today"?

Ideally, kids should be kept indoors, away from the public until around aged 9 or so and then again when they hit their teens until they leave school. Mind you, students are a bloody nightmare. Maybe a campus curfew until they leave and find full time employment.

MagicSean · 18-01-2013 01:37PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And men urinating in public aren't showing off their penis.
If they urinate directly into a sewer I don't see the problem.

Do you also piss in your kitchen sink? Directly down the drain of course.

Wossack · 18-01-2013 01:39PM

Ive eaten at restaurants that I wouldnt go back to due to their lax child policies

if some can label themselves as being 'child/family friendly', whats the harm in some prefering the opposite?

Tombo2001 · 18-01-2013 01:39PM

krudler wrote: »

Being let play and run and be kids when they're at home or whatever is fine, letting kids run around restaurants and cinemas and places where people have paid to be and not listen to other peoples unruly kids is different. If you went out for a meal you'd be happy as pie to have a toddler roaring and clambering around the place at the table beside you without the parents doing anything? didnt think so.

Here's a perfect example, I went to see Life of Pi a few weeks ago, and this dope brought two little girls, who couldn't have been more than 4 or 5 each to it, its a 2hr+ film about philosophy and religion, albeit with nice effects and animals, they spent most of the film stomping up and down the stairs and moving seats as their idiot father just sat there not saying anything, the two of them even went out of the cinema for about 10 minutes at one stage, completely unsupervised. So no only was he inconsiderate, he was reckless. but hey, they were just "being kids" right? "fcuk everyone else, my kids are great" is an attitude way too many parents have.

Thats fine, I absolutely agree with you.

Thats why I am saying, parents should bring their kids to places where they can run around.

What is the dispute here?

The Lighthouse runs a parent and child screening of movies on Wednesday and Saturday mornings?

Would you have a problem if someone brought their kids to this?

To the other poster....

Why do you think training a five year old to sit down quietly for an hour is parenting? What in that is parenting?

Thats training them to suppress their own little characters and personalities, purely for the benefit of adults they dont even know....

How is that parenting?

Tombi! · 18-01-2013 01:40PM

old hippy wrote: »

Did you bring that up, just to stir things? Kids can be nuisances in restaurants and pubs but it should be down to the premises whether they allow minors or not?

Not really to stir things up. It was just something I was curious about since if they did ban kids and they refused a nonwhite one, there'd probably be uproar.

Tombo2001 · 18-01-2013 01:41PM

hoodwinked wrote: »

but as parents one of our jobs is to prepare them, like for school for example where they have to sit in one place for a good few hours.

people wrongly assume children want to run and jump everywhere all the time, one thing ive learned from my child is she is just like an adult she has moods/feelings as in sometimes she will feel like running around (days like that we take her to a park or play area if its raining), other days she likes having peace and quiet (and will ask us to turn off the tv or radio so she can have it)

she knows when in a restaurant she is going there to eat dinner, she knows when going to mass its a quiet building where she listens to her uncle.
she knows when in school she has to sit and listen to her teacher.

she knows this because we 'trained' her as you put it, the last thing you need or want is an 18 year old who doesn't know how to behave in public because all their dinners were thrown to them while they watched tv, and their parents let them roam free in child suitable areas and now they are 18 they can go anywhere!

well I disagre with your parenting approach. lets just leave it at that.

Killer Wench · 18-01-2013 01:41PM

black francis wrote: »

Interesting.

What appals you about it exactly?

Are you breast-phobic perhaps?

Am I afraid of a breast, nipple, and a baby feeding? No. Am I appalled when a woman I am conversing with begins nursing her child during our conversation? Yes, but I am equally appalled if that same person opened their big mouth and took a bite of a Big Mac and continued to eat in front of me. I was reared to believe that eating together was a social activity, and community feeds and conversation are the norm, but I was also reared to believe that eating in front of someone who isn't eating is rude, unless you ask them before hand, "do you mind if I take a bite or whip my breast out to feed my child?".

Sofiztikated · 18-01-2013 01:42PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

If a restaurant is stupid enough to turn away paying customers in this day and age, I can't imagine them staying open much longer...

Why? There is a number of people that do NOT want to be disturbed by kids. By turning away some paying customers, they are opening themselves up to a niche market, hopefully turning them into a steady, healthy profit.

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats fine, I absolutely agree with you.

Thats why I am saying, parents should bring their kids to places where they can run around.

What is the dispute here?

The Lighthouse runs a parent and child screening of movies on Wednesday and Saturday mornings?

Would you have a problem if someone brought their kids to this?

To the other poster....

Why do you think training a five year old to sit down quietly for an hour is parenting? What in that is parenting?

Thats training them to suppress their own little characters and personalities, purely for the benefit of adults they dont even know....

How is that parenting?

What age do you train them to sit down quietly for an hour? 10? 18? Maybe when they are 32?

Froyo · 18-01-2013 01:43PM

Dodge wrote: »

So far in this thread we've had
breast feeding equated to pissing in the street

a complaint about kids going to funerals

someone think well behaved kids is wrong

and many many examples of people thinking all parents/kids/single people do the exact same thing

Has everybody lost their marbles today?

I will say this re funerals:

Recently I was at funeral for my friend's mother. The eulogy was about 20 words in when a child started screaming.

Sadly for the family of the deceased, Dad waited a few minutes before bringing his child outside.

This is unacceptable behaviour from the parent - and this is where the problems lie.

fasttalkerchat · 18-01-2013 01:44PM

My uncle was told something similar with his kids in Wales. He flipped over the closed sign on the way out

Tombi! · 18-01-2013 01:44PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Am I afraid of a breast, nipple, and a baby feeding? No. Am I appalled when a woman I am conversing with begins nursing her child during our conversation? Yes, but I am equally appalled if that same person opened their big mouth and took a bite of a Big Mac and continued to eat in front of me. I was reared to believe that eating together was a social activity, and community feeds and conversation are the norm, but I was also reared to believe that eating in front of someone who isn't eating is rude, unless you ask them before hand, "do you mind if I take a bite or whip my breast out to feed my child?".

I see what you mean.
Looks disgusting, right out of a porn movie:
http://media.canada.com/eec3adc1-7c27-4a80-ab19-a08ab095007b/nursein.jpg

Look, you probably have no idea how a woman actually does it but contrary to popular belief, she usually is far more embarrassed about things than you do and doesn't want her boobs on display so she'll do what she can to cover up as much as possible.

Tombo2001 · 18-01-2013 01:47PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

What age do you train them to sit down quietly for an hour? 10? 18? Maybe when they are 32?

When they are ready to do it.

You tell me when that is.

Show Time · 18-01-2013 01:47PM

You go out for a meal and not to listen to smallies bawling their eyes out.

old hippy · 18-01-2013 01:48PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Not really to stir things up. It was just something I was curious about since if they did ban kids and they refused a nonwhite one, there'd probably be uproar.

If an adult was asked to leave on account of their colour, creed, accent etc - I'd find that dubious, at the very least.

When it comes to kids though, I don't much care for them getting over excited, running around, inevitably colliding with something/someone and the ensuing tears. Restaurants shouldn't have to be creches.

An acquaintance of mine back in Dublin adopted a Chinese kid some years back, she's done a fine job of raising the child, by all accounts

CreepingDeath · 18-01-2013 01:50PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I cannot believe you are equating pissing in the street with feeding a baby.

I can't believe you took the bait for the sake of a few morality thanks.

davet82 · 18-01-2013 01:51PM

Froyo wrote: »

This is unacceptable behaviour from the parent - and this is where the problems lie.

depends on the childs age tbf

most churches have segragated areas for children now which i think is great for everyone

monkeypants · 18-01-2013 01:51PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

So. That Childrens Rights referendum that was voted in.. Hows that coming along?

Don't think it covered fine dining in Dublin 4.

Restaurant bans children...

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