The Gaeltacht Mafia

Pottler · 18-01-2013 12:10AM

dienbienphu wrote: »

I agree, haven't a notion what the natives to be harpen on about. The first time I heard a native in a professional context was sitting the leaving tape test. I was in shock. I did't reslise Irish people spoke Irish in such ways.

Who did your Da have to shag to make you a native? I don't mean you Dien, I mean in general. An awful lot of Irish people seem to regard the gaelgoereeen as some sort of otherworldly clan that they could never be a part of. In fairness, you're Irish if you're Irish, no matter what language you speak. We can't all be afflicted with a love of gaelic. Re the above^, all four of them.

Madam_X · 18-01-2013 12:11AM

Is the grant cheque printed in Irish? And if not, would they refuse to accept it?

Micilin Muc · 18-01-2013 12:17AM

Pottler wrote: »

Was that auld hag Peig one of them? If so, I never absorbed a word of her sheight. It took a bit of doing, tbf.

Me neither!

Can you imagine studying Victor Hugo for Leaving Cert French or Don Quixote for Leaving Cert Spanish? That's what Peig was to Leaving Cert Irish, and it was one of the biggest mistakes made by the Department of Education. I read Peig as an adult and there's no way I could have appreciated it as an 18-year-old, even though I was a fluent speaker.

There's so much baggage with Irish, despite the fact that we should be immensely proud of being home to one of the great classical languages.

Fox_In_Socks · 18-01-2013 12:17AM

Madam_X wrote: »

Is the grant cheque printed in Irish? And if not, would they refuse to accept it?

Actually, what is your username as gaelige? No X's in Irish, damn you!

I'm Madra_Rua_ina_stocaí

ManMade · 18-01-2013 12:18AM

Madam_X wrote: »

Is the grant cheque printed in Irish? And if not, would they refuse to accept it?

*insert rambling about culture and being the 'national' language.

Pottler · 18-01-2013 12:21AM

ManMade wrote: »

*insert rambling about culture and being the 'national' language.

Insert it yourself. There've been cutbacks around here lately due to the recession. It's self-service these days.

dienbienphu · 18-01-2013 12:29AM

Pottler wrote: »

Who did your Da have to shag to make you a native? I don't mean you Dien, I mean in general. An awful lot of Irish people seem to regard the gaelgoereeen as some sort of otherworldly clan that they could never be a part of. In fairness, you're Irish if you're Irish, no matter what language you speak. We can't all be afflicted with a love of gaelic. Re the above^, all four of them.

But that goes to the core of it. There's an assumption in Ireland that they're pure Irish people when they're not. It's the ridiculous ideology that at's fault. Irish people are in denial of their British heritage or a least the ideology the state is governed by is.

If you look at our racial heritage we are as much British as we are irish a fact that seems to allude a lot of people

Chucken · 18-01-2013 12:38AM

dienbienphu wrote: »

we are as much British as we are irish a fact that seems to allude a lot of people

Get. Out

and pick up the popcorn while you're there.

Pottler · 18-01-2013 12:51AM

I'm not too sure "allude" was the word you were reaching for there..

dienbienphu · 18-01-2013 12:51AM

The Irish language is a product of separatist ideology that developed towards the end of the 19th century. There were two things that distinguished the majority of us from the British, that was our language and our religion. Now that Irish people have neither language or religion, are they really Irish at all?

Micilin Muc · 18-01-2013 12:57AM

dienbienphu wrote: »

The Irish language is a product of separatist ideology that developed towards the end of the 19th century.

You've lost me there. The language goes back to at least the 5th century AD.

ezra_pound · 18-01-2013 12:57AM

dienbienphu wrote: »

The Irish language is a product of separatist ideology that developed towards the end of the 19th century. There were two things that distinguished the majority of us from the British, that was our language and our religion. Now that Irish people have neither language or religion, are they really Irish at all?

Irish language was nearly wiped out in nineteenth century, not created then so completely incorrect. We do still have our languageby the way.

dienbienphu · 18-01-2013 01:00AM

Micilin Muc wrote: »

You've lost me there. The language goes back to at least the 5th century AD.

Excuse me, what I meant was the Irish language revival. Like another poster said, it was almost wiped out

ezra_pound · 18-01-2013 01:02AM

Op. It sounds to me that you were determined not to learn Irish at school because you thought that it didn't being any practical benefits. Very begrudging of you not to allow those who can actually speak it to benefit from it especially when you had the opportunity to learn but didn't think that the benefit was worth the effort.

ezra_pound · 18-01-2013 01:05AM

dienbienphu wrote: »

something along those lines. just look at Stephen boucher hayes on rte, like who is he? I never heard of him before that food investigation show so I presume its 'I'll ring up Stephen and get him to do the job' kind of thing that goes on in the background...

He's been around rte for a very long time and comes across as a very hardworking and talented member of staff.

MagicSean · 18-01-2013 01:06AM

You are required to have a certain level of Irish to become a garda and an even higher one to be promoted. It's not a matter of preference. I think there is also an Irish requirement to be a solicitor or barrister as court proceedings can be held in Irish. There's a requirement to have a level of Irish to be a primary school teacher too I think.

ezra_pound · 18-01-2013 01:09AM

dienbienphu wrote: »

something along those lines. just look at Stephen boucher hayes on rte, like who is he? I never heard of him before that food investigation show so I presume its 'I'll ring up Stephen and get him to do the job' kind of thing that goes on in the background...

Early career

Boucher-Hayes joined RTÉ in 1993. He began his career by reporting on RTÉ Radio 1's Five Seven Live and RTÉ 2fm's The Gerry Ryan Show before producing The Gay Byrne Show. In 1997 he defected to Today FM precursor Radio Ireland for a midday presenting slot, but rejoined the 5-7 Live reporting team on RTÉ Radio 1 in 1998. He was reported in 2006 as being the new presenter of Five Seven Live.[1]

Reporting work

Boucher-Hayes has reported from destinations as diverse as Kosovo, Latin America, Israel, occupied Palestinian territories and Iran. He has been RTÉ's reporter for numerous historic events, including stints in South East Asia (post Asian tsunami), New York City (for September 11 attacks) and Northern Iraqi Kurdistan (during the American-led invasion which preceded the Iraq War in 2003). In 2006 he broke the Israeli blockade of Lebanon, becoming the first reporter to do so, and covered the duration of the July War from Beirut and Tyre. His coverage of the 14-year-old death of Brian Rossiter whilst in the custody of gardaí won him the Media Justice Award in 2005. In 2006's "Peak Oil" he was the man behind the series of features on Ireland's looming energy crisis.[2] He has also covered the release from jail of Irish politician Liam Lawlor.[3] Other issues addressed include the Galway water contamination crisis.[4]

...Thats just an except from the wiki page on his career.

By the way his name is Philip!

dd972 · 18-01-2013 01:11AM

dienbienphu wrote: »

But that goes to the core of it. There's an assumption in Ireland that they're pure Irish people when they're not. It's the ridiculous ideology that at's fault. Irish people are in denial of their British heritage or a least the ideology the state is governed by is.

If you look at our racial heritage we are as much British as we are irish a fact that seems to allude a lot of people

Good point, it's as if some of them think they've some sort of Super-Irish identity, nobody was born speaking any language, take a new born child in Tokyo bring him to the Donegal Gaeltacht and he'll grow up knowing fluent Irish, take a new born child from Gweedore, have them adopted in Zagreb and they'll grow up speaking Croat.

Fox_In_Socks · 18-01-2013 01:11AM

ezra_pound wrote: »

Early career

Boucher-Hayes joined RTÉ in 1993. He began his career by reporting on RTÉ Radio 1's Five Seven Live and RTÉ 2fm's The Gerry Ryan Show before producing The Gay Byrne Show. In 1997 he defected to Today FM precursor Radio Ireland for a midday presenting slot, but rejoined the 5-7 Live reporting team on RTÉ Radio 1 in 1998. He was reported in 2006 as being the new presenter of Five Seven Live.[1]

Reporting work

Boucher-Hayes has reported from destinations as diverse as Kosovo, Latin America, Israel, occupied Palestinian territories and Iran. He has been RTÉ's reporter for numerous historic events, including stints in South East Asia (post Asian tsunami), New York City (for September 11 attacks) and Northern Iraqi Kurdistan (during the American-led invasion which preceded the Iraq War in 2003). In 2006 he broke the Israeli blockade of Lebanon, becoming the first reporter to do so, and covered the duration of the July War from Beirut and Tyre. His coverage of the 14-year-old death of Brian Rossiter whilst in the custody of gardaí won him the Media Justice Award in 2005. In 2006's "Peak Oil" he was the man behind the series of features on Ireland's looming energy crisis.[2] He has also covered the release from jail of Irish politician Liam Lawlor.[3] Other issues addressed include the Galway water contamination crisis.[4]

...Thats just an except from the wiki page on his career.

By the way his name is Philip!

Thanks Philip!

ezra_pound · 18-01-2013 01:12AM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Thanks Philip!

Lol!

ezra_pound · 18-01-2013 01:19AM

MagicSean wrote: »

You are required to have a certain level of Irish to become a garda and an even higher one to be promoted. It's not a matter of preference. I think there is also an Irish requirement to be a solicitor or barrister as court proceedings can be held in Irish. There's a requirement to have a level of Irish to be a primary school teacher too I think.

And so there obviously should.

ezra_pound · 18-01-2013 01:22AM

dd972 wrote: »

Good point, it's as if some of them think they've some sort of Super-Irish identity, nobody was born speaking any language, take a new born child in Tokyo bring him to the Donegal Gaeltacht and he'll grow up knowing fluent Irish, take a new born child from Gweedore, have them adopted in Zagreb and they'll grow up speaking Croat.

No ****!

The issue is that the language is a unique aspect to our nation and the people who speak it in its purest form as native gaelteacht speakers are a valuable cultural asset for the nation regardless of who their birth mama was or where they were born.

Míshásta · 18-01-2013 05:40PM

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Actually, what is your username as gaelige? No X's in Irish,

Well, to be nerdishly pedantic, it depends on how you would define the 'Madam' in 'Madam X'

Mrs. X ? - Bean X

Lady X, ? Bean Uasal X

My Lady X, ? A Bhean Uasail X

Posh X. ? Éirí in airde X

Lady of the unknown factor. Bean an fhactóra anaithnide

X, the woman who manages the brothel. ? X, Mamaí na Drúthlanna.

Madam X - a jokey internet avator without any particular meaning? N'fheadar sa diail!

I'd just leave it as 'Madam X' in Irish. Titles don't have to be translated.

'X' is perfectly acceptable in Irish in loan words or as a symbol.

There ya have it now. Probably a subject for a translation forum though.

Doc Ruby · 18-01-2013 06:27PM

dienbienphu wrote: »

But that goes to the core of it. There's an assumption in Ireland that they're pure Irish people when they're not. It's the ridiculous ideology that at's fault. Irish people are in denial of their British heritage or a least the ideology the state is governed by is.

If you look at our racial heritage we are as much British as we are irish a fact that seems to allude a lot of people

You were doing well up until here. There was the tiniest chance that it might have been a legitimate thread, but the too obvious trolling gave it away. 4/10, would have been 6 but you were docked two points for slop.

TheBully · 18-01-2013 06:31PM

dienbienphu wrote: »

I was trying to illustrate my point that there is a large demand for tv presenters in TG4 and that they draw from these professions to fill them

Do u honestly think they went on a talent search to all the butchers in conemarra! He was obviously discovered some other way! Being a butcher has nothing got to do with it! #SmallMinded

Wibbs · 18-01-2013 10:58PM

Micilin Muc wrote: »

Me neither!

Can you imagine studying Victor Hugo for Leaving Cert French or Don Quixote for Leaving Cert Spanish? That's what Peig was to Leaving Cert Irish,

Whooooaaaa there Ted, are you comparing Peig Sayers with giants like Vic and Mick(both of whom are actually pretty accessible)? You have got to be having a laugh. O'Nolan I could well see(and he ripped her and others BS to well measured shreds), but Sayers? Don Quixote has a range of themes and humanity that Sayers would require the services of the effin Hubble to even see, never mind emulate. Jeeebus. Homer himself on his best days would have struggled to elevate the Peig story beyond dirge. In any language.

There's so much baggage with Irish, despite the fact that we should be immensely proud of being home to one of the great classical languages.

That's very true.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

You were doing well up until here. There was the tiniest chance that it might have been a legitimate thread, but the too obvious trolling gave it away. 4/10, would have been 6 but you were docked two points for slop.

Wellllll.... ignoring the rest, technically he has some sort of a point regarding the "racial" heritage part DR. There has been so much back and forth traffic between these islands, both cultural and genetic for so long, pretty much since the last ice age retreated that we're closer as populations than the average Irish, Scots, Welsh and English would be to say a German. The English may call themselves Anglo Saxon and we may call ourselves Celt, but neither show up in the genes(with the exception of tiny amounts of AS in the extreme east of the UK). We would be even closer to the Welsh and Scots(their very name reflects this connection since late classical times). There are Crannogs in Wales and there was lots of back and forth and jiggy jiggy going on. Hell they have even found an Irishman's grave in a Roman town in southern England, Ogham marker and all and it's unlikely he was alone and even more unlikely he was celibate. There may be an Italian lassie alive today wondering where she got her red hair from. Yeaaa baby.

Later on around the time of the first flowering of Irish literature and scholarship(and wanderlust) the venerable Bede, the first decent chronicler of what was to become England notes many Irishmen knocking around and also notes the languages of "England" as it was then; Saxon, Latin, British(early Welsh pretty much), Pict and Irish. Chances are old Bede had the cupla focal. Given the scholarship we were churning out and absorbing it would be odd for him not to and the Irish monks and merchants etc would have had the couple of words of Saxon, among other languages. Even odd ones. When John Scottus showed up in the vatican their best Greek scholar was shocked and right pissed off that this barbarian Mick had better Greek than him.

Bede relates a story of a learned Irish monk in the local Saxon kings court who was quietly replaced(sacked more like) in favour of another, because the Saxon king while appreciating his erudition sadly found his accent speaking Saxon well dodgy and grating. Funny, considering the thread I had visions and sounds of Daithi O'Se in a monks habit and tonsure and could begin to sympathise with said king.

Doc Ruby · 18-01-2013 11:07PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Wellllll.... ignoring the rest, technically he has some sort of a point regarding the "racial" heritage part DR. There has been so much back and forth traffic between these islands, both cultural and genetic for so long, pretty much since the last ice age retreated that we're closer as populations than the average Irish, Scots, Welsh and English would be to say a German. The English may call themselves Anglo Saxon and we may call ourselves Celt, but neither show up in the genes(with the exception of tiny amounts of AS in the extreme east of the UK). We would be even closer to the Welsh and Scots(their very name reflects this connection since late classical times). There are Crannogs in Wales and there was lots of back and forth and jiggy jiggy going on. Hell they have even found an Irishman's grave in a Roman town in southern England, Ogham marker and all and it's unlikely he was alone and even more unlikely he was celibate. There may be an Italian lassie alive today wondering where she got her red hair from. Yeaaa baby.

Later on around the time of the first flowering of Irish literature and scholarship(and wanderlust) the venerable Bede, the first decent chronicler of what was to become England notes many Irishmen knocking around and also notes the languages of "England" as it was then; Saxon, Latin, British(early Welsh pretty much), Pict and Irish. Chances are old Bede had the cupla focal. Given the scholarship we were churning out and absorbing it would be odd for him not to and the Irish monks and merchants etc would have had the couple of words of Saxon, among other languages. Even odd ones. When John Scottus showed up in the vatican their best Greek scholar was shocked and right pissed off that this barbarian Mick had better Greek than him.

Bede relates a story of a learned Irish monk in the local Saxon kings court who was quietly replaced(sacked more like) in favour of another, because the Saxon king while appreciating his erudition sadly found his accent speaking Saxon well dodgy and grating. Funny, considering the thread I had visions and sounds of Daithi O'Se in a monks habit and tonsure and could begin to sympathise with said king.

That's the finest meal a troll was ever fed, well done.

Wibbs · 18-01-2013 11:16PM

Wibbs, chef to the stars trolls.

Herb Powell · 18-01-2013 11:39PM

dienbienphu wrote: »

But that goes to the core of it. There's an assumption in Ireland that they're pure Irish people when they're not. It's the ridiculous ideology that at's fault. Irish people are in denial of their British heritage or a least the ideology the state is governed by is.

If you look at our racial heritage we are as much British as we are irish a fact that seems to allude a lot of people

dienbienphu wrote: »

The Irish language is a product of separatist ideology that developed towards the end of the 19th century. There were two things that distinguished the majority of us from the British, that was our language and our religion. Now that Irish people have neither language or religion, are they really Irish at all?

Don't you have some rioting to be doing in Belfast?

franktheplank · 19-01-2013 12:07AM

MagicSean wrote: »

You are required to have a certain level of Irish to become a garda and an even higher one to be promoted. It's not a matter of preference. I think there is also an Irish requirement to be a solicitor or barrister as court proceedings can be held in Irish. There's a requirement to have a level of Irish to be a primary school teacher too I think.

Yup I'm pretty sure that requirement is still there for primary school teacher. I think some (all?) civil service jobs require a certain degree of Irish.

Which leads me to believe that these days Irish is the language of the oppressor. Even though it's not our spoken language we will be discriminated from taking many jobs on the basis of whether or not we know it.

The Gaeltacht Mafia

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